Zephaniah 3:17

[CEF]

Yesterday as I opened my Bible He already knew I was going through a rough time. Zephaniah 3:17 came to me I had to read it twice just to get it. Zephaniah 3:17 tells us, "The Lord your God is with you...He will take great delight in you, He will quiet you with his love, He will rejoice over you with singing." When I read that verse it was a blessing. That really showed me that God does in deed care about me. God will talk to you in several different ways you just havr to be open and have your focus on Him. What could God be saying to you today? As always I'd be delighted to hear from you.

 

[Atwood]

Yesterday as I opened my Bible He already knew I was going through a rough time. Zephaniah 3:17 came to me I had to read it twice just to get it. Zephaniah 3:17 tells us, "The Lord your God is with you...He will take great delight in you, He will quiet you with his love, He will rejoice over you with singing." When I read that verse it was a blessing. That really showed me that God does in deed care about me. God will talk to you in several different ways you just havr to be open and have your focus on Him. What could God be saying to you today? As always I'd be delighted to hear from you.

Greetings CEF

I have that in a song. YouTube has more than one version:

The Lord Thy God in the Midst of Thee is Mighty Zeph 3 17 - YouTube

enjoy!

 

[p_rehbein]

Goodness............I would think He more than PROVED how much He cares for us in John 3:16........but, now, that may just be me.............

God bless

 

[crossnote]

Goodness............I would think He more than PROVED how much He cares for us in John 3:16........but, now, that may just be me.............

God bless

Do you always paint your house the same color?

 

[p_rehbein]

Do you always paint your house the same color?

.........no, not really.................but I ALWAYS paint my Salvation the same color..........RED........as in the precious blood of Jesus Christ my Lord and Saviour............

 

[RedTent]

.........no, not really.................but I ALWAYS paint my Salvation the same color..........RED........as in the precious blood of Jesus Christ my Lord and Saviour............

Salvation is primary, it is more important than anything else in our life, but most of the bible is written to our life after salvation. God loves us and God wrote most of the bible for those He had saved. God did not expect His saved people to sweep His words aside saying it is only law and won't save us, it means nothing to us, for we are under grace.

 

[Timeline]

Hebrews 7:22 so much the more also Jesus has become the guarantee of a better covenant.

Hebrews 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, by as much as He is also the mediator of a better covenant, which has been enacted on better promises.

Hebrews 12:24 and to Jesus, the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood, which speaks better than the blood of Abel.

Isaiah 43:19 “Behold, I will do something new, Now it will spring forth; Will you not be aware of it? I will even make a roadway in the wilderness, Rivers in the desert.

 

[Timeline]

Sorry CEF, if that was off topic, but it really isn't, because God reminds me daily that we are under a better covenant. And in this fact, we can all rejoice. For if a better covenant hadn't been made, then we could not be saved.

Galatians 3:11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.”

 

[crossnote]

Salvation is primary, it is more important than anything else in our life, but most of the bible is written to our life after salvation. God loves us and God wrote most of the bible for those He had saved. God did not expect His saved people to sweep His words aside saying it is only law and won't save us, it means nothing to us, for we are under grace.

that's right, there are promises galore, prophecies, and warnings not to return to Mt. Sinai

 

[RedTent]

Sorry CEF, if that was off topic, but it really isn't, because God reminds me daily that we are under a better covenant. And in this fact, we can all rejoice. For if a better covenant hadn't been made, then we could not be saved.

Galatians 3:11 Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, “The righteous man shall live by faith.”

There is a real problem here with self righteousness and blindness to scripture. We have Christ, so much better than the shadow of Christ, we have the real blood. We have the Holy Spirit. It is a better covenant, so we all sit back and say now we don't need to listen any more to the rest of scripture!! We say that because we are saved by faith and grace, we don't have to listen to any other scripture. And we don't. It is enough for our eternal life. As long as we don't give our entire selves to sin so we can be identified with a sin, we are safe.

But God wants more for us. God wants to bless us in all our ways and walk. When we say "that is law, I won't listen" we are shutting ourselves off from blessing of the Lord. When we say Christ replaced every single thing God told us in the OT, without looking to find what Christ replaced we are denying God. We are saved, but we will suffer for our wanton ways.

 

[RedTent]

that's right, there are promises galore, prophecies, and warnings not to return to Mt. Sinai

Give me scripture that says we are not to listen to God. We even deny the Holy Spirit if we follow you instead of God. We deny what Christ tells us to follow you.

 

[crossnote]

Give me scripture that says we are not to listen to God. We even deny the Holy Spirit if we follow you instead of God. We deny what Christ tells us to follow you.

I never said we are not to listen to God.
I hope no one follows me OR YOU instead of God.
What's this business of following me? Where did I say that?
OIC, your in 'accusation without a cause' mode.

 

[RedTent]

I never said we are not to listen to God.
I hope no one follows me OR YOU instead of God.
What's this business of following me? Where did I say that?
OIC, your in 'accusation without a cause' mode.

God gave ways to live for Him on Mt Sinai. Everyone was based on the basic law of love of God and like it, to love His people. You say that God gave "warnings not to return to Mt Sinai". I cut to the core and said "you say not to follow God". Is there a difference? What God told us on Mt Sinai was to be listened to ONLY by people who belonged to God, it had nothing to do with salvation.

When Jews told Paul he was to teach gentiles they had to become ritual Jews to be saved, Paul said that wasn't so. Paul did not say not to listen to what God said about how to live for Him. Paul said all was to be listened with spirit and truth, not ritualistically. I think you are expanding that (in error) to just don't listen to God.

 

[crossnote]

God gave ways to live for Him on Mt Sinai.

For Israel, not the Church.

Everyone was based on the basic law of love of God and like it, to love His people.

And everyone of the laws must be followed, not one to be broken.

You say that God gave "warnings not to return to Mt Sinai".

He did
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
(Gal 3:10)
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
(Gal 3:13)

For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
(Heb 12:18-24)

So choose your Mountain.

I cut to the core and said "you say not to follow God". Is there a difference? What God told us on Mt Sinai was to be listened to ONLY by people who belonged to God, it had nothing to do with salvation.

I hope you now see the difference by that passage in Hebrews above. God spoke to the Children of Israel on Mt. Sinai..not the Church.
Jesus said He will (future tense) build His Church much later in Mt 16:18...different entity.

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
(Mat 16:18)

When Jews told Paul he was to teach gentiles they had to become ritual Jews to be saved, Paul said that wasn't so. Paul did not say not to listen to what God said about how to live for Him. Paul said all was to be listened with spirit and truth, not ritualistically. I think you are expanding that (in error) to just don't listen to God.

I can't make sense out of this last section, except that I do listen to God, perhaps not as perfect as I should. Just because you disagree with someone does not mean you have to get personal with them. Just bring out what you believe without belittling others or 2nd guessing whether they believe the whole bible or not.

Do you believe what Paul taught is also God's Word to the Church? Don't you see his instructions to the Church do not cover all those to OT Israel? Again if you want to voluntarily play on Mount Sinai, have at it, but don't think other's from the NT Church need to follow.

 

[p_rehbein]

Salvation is primary, it is more important than anything else in our life, but most of the bible is written to our life after salvation. God loves us and God wrote most of the bible for those He had saved. God did not expect His saved people to sweep His words aside saying it is only law and won't save us, it means nothing to us, for we are under grace.

Comments like this are so very sad to me.............why?

1) To respond with a different view makes one seem to "lessen" the commandments of Jesus........and that is not what any of us are doing........

2) The people here who post such comments NEVER define "law" with any unified definition, so knowing what they are referring to is impossible.......

3) MOST IMPORTANT..............putting anything AHEAD of the Grace of God, the precious blood of Jesus Christ and the WORK He did on Calvary's cross is to deny God...........Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit in my opinion...........

THE LAW DOES NOT/CAN NOT SAVE OR GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO ANYONE!

4) Having posted this, there will be those who think I do not respect the full Word of God, or understand why it is important to obey the Commandments of Jesus.............and nothing could further from the Truth.

Comments like this are so very sad to me.............

 

[crossnote]

THE LAW DOES NOT/CAN NOT SAVE OR GIVE ETERNAL LIFE TO ANYONE!

....

Nor Does the Law Sanctify a Christian AFTER Justification!

 

[RedTent]

For Israel, not the Church.


And everyone of the laws must be followed, not one to be broken.

He did
For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.
(Gal 3:10)
Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
(Gal 3:13)

For ye are not come unto the mount that might be touched, and that burned with fire, nor unto blackness, and darkness, and tempest, And the sound of a trumpet, and the voice of words; which voice they that heard intreated that the word should not be spoken to them any more: (For they could not endure that which was commanded, And if so much as a beast touch the mountain, it shall be stoned, or thrust through with a dart: And so terrible was the sight, that Moses said, I exceedingly fear and quake But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
(Heb 12:18-24)

So choose your Mountain.


I hope you now see the difference by that passage in Hebrews above. God spoke to the Children of Israel on Mt. Sinai..not the Church.
Jesus said He will (future tense) build His Church much later in Mt 16:18...different entity.

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
(Mat 16:18)



I can't make sense out of this last section, except that I do listen to God, perhaps not as perfect as I should. Just because you disagree with someone does not mean you have to get personal with them. Just bring out what you believe without belittling others or 2nd guessing whether they believe the whole bible or not.

Do you believe what Paul taught is also God's Word to the Church? Don't you see his instructions to the Church do not cover all those to OT Israel? Again if you want to voluntarily play on Mount Sinai, have at it, but don't think other's from the NT Church need to follow.

I wish you COULD understand what I am saying!!! Do you think that being physically circumcised would give you understanding of God? Do you think that spiritual circumcision is what God wants for us? The Jews told Paul that being physically circumcised was important, he must teach that. Now read Galatians, and Paul's reaction to the Jews instructions to him. The Jews instructions did not match what Paul heard from the Lord.

You will see in Acts, and also reading all the history of gentiles being accepted as worshippers of the One True God all through the bible, and you will see the history of what Jewish sages ordered. Now, compare that with the principles of the Lord. Scripture says "blinded for our sakes".

Now read Romans, and try to make every scripture agree regarding what God the Father taught but with an understanding that when people were told to do rituals to lead them to understanding God, we are now given the HS instead. Look at everything it says about the people God set apart for Him, and their relationship to us. Watch to see if there is anything that disagrees with the fact that God teaches us through Israel. Note our being grafted in, even. See the explanation to the Jews being blinded to accepting Christ, but instead looking for what they think is Christ still to arrive.

Now go to the story of the Hebrews being freed from slavery, including God giving words to encourage us to live for Him after they accepted the Lord. When they made an idol to replace God, Moses said the words given to him on the mount didn't count any more and broke them up. If you go to the Hebrew language the words God gave, they never said they were laws and commandments, they were "words" of the Lord. Do you think that Paul, who listened to God, would say we should not listen to words of God. Or Paul would say not to listen to Christ when Christ said those words would never change.

Now check every instruction ever given by God on Godly living. Watch to see if every one does not, in some way, express love, either God's love for us so we live with justice or telling us how to express love for each other. Also, see if you can find anywhere in scripture that says that we can save ourselves without grace.

 

[crossnote]

I wish you COULD understand what I am saying!!!

Ditto.

Do you think that being physically circumcised would give you understanding of God?

I am. It didn't help.

Do you think that spiritual circumcision is what God wants for us?

Yes.

The Jews told Paul that being physically circumcised was important, he must teach that.

If they told Paul that, he didn't obey them.

Now read Galatians, and Paul's reaction to the Jews instructions to him. The Jews instructions did not match what Paul heard from the Lord.

Yes so? I can't go further. If you want to make a point make it in a sentence or two...not a whole diatribe barely understandable. If you want to ask me a question ask it.

Til' then, we have died to the law as a means of justification and sanctification and we are alive to Christ to bear fruiy unto Him, yes, that means love.

 

[RedTent]

Ditto.
I am. It didn't help.
Yes.
If they told Paul that, he didn't obey them.
Yes so? I can't go further. If you want to make a point make it in a sentence or two...not a whole diatribe barely understandable. If you want to ask me a question ask it.

Til' then, we have died to the law as a means of justification and sanctification and we are alive to Christ to bear fruiy unto Him, yes, that means love.

We are getting closer!! My point is that Paul went to great lengths to say that legalistic obedience without faith meant nothing.

Paul never said that true obedience, AFTER SALVATION, was not to be done. Paul agreed with both God and Christ, speaking as one, that we were to listen to all scripture including the law of Moses read in spirit and truth. After salvation!!!

You cannot say you are alive in Christ, that you died to law meaning that you accept Christ's offer of saving you under grace, that you accept love, and at the same time deny the words of scripture Christ told you to listen to. How can you deny God and still accept God's grace for you?

 

[crossnote]

We are getting closer!! My point is that Paul went to great lengths to say that legalistic obedience without faith meant nothing.

Paul never said that true obedience, AFTER SALVATION, was not to be done. Paul agreed with both God and Christ, speaking as one, that we were to listen to all scripture including the law of Moses read in spirit and truth. After salvation!!!

You cannot say you are alive in Christ, that you died to law meaning that you accept Christ's offer of saving you under grace, that you accept love, and at the same time deny the words of scripture Christ told you to listen to. How can you deny God and still accept God's grace for you?

You know what?
Your last four posts addressed to me, you never brought up one verse from Scripture. Your arguments might hold more weight if they were backed up by God's Word.