Abortion and God's grace

[Angela53510]

I am very sorry you went through such a difficult time after the birth of your first child. But one thing I can assure is that, aborting this child will make it certain you wil end up in a similar place, needing inventions for your mental health. That is called "post abortion syndrome" and it is serious and real. Here is a link of symptoms, please look at it before you decide that abortion is going to leave you mentally healthier, because it won't.

Post Abortion Stress Syndrome ~ Symptoms of Post Abortion Syndromem

Further the fact that you are asking these questions shows that you know it is wrong. Follow that, instead of a fear of another baby repeating the nightmare you went through.

Finally, just because you brokedown after the first does not mean you will for the second. Get a support team together. There are resources to support moms with a high risk factor for post partum breakdowns. Keep a psychiatrist on speed dial, and talk to him if things start to go south.

Praying you will not abort and that you will have a beautiful baby, and no mental issues.

 

[shineyourlight]

I am actually shocked at some of these responses to this OP and it's completely heartbreaking to see, while others are full of grace and truth (which, of course, I absolutely love).

It doesn't depend on where I stand on this situation. I can't add anything else, because I feel BenFTW's response to you was absolutely perfect.

Just know you are loved. And hopefully some of the more judgmental/hateful comments on here did not drive you away because honestly, that would make me so sad. You truly are loved and cherished.

Do you have a pastor or a spiritual mentor who's talking with you in this?

 

[Agricola]

I have been searching for hours for an answer to my question ....

....so eventually I come to my question (you needed the history first or perhaps my justification???) if I have an abortion while being an active Christian and commit this sin knowingly going against God am I still forgiven?

Yes you are forgiven, but God may curse you for destroying a life he knows and has plans for, especially if that baby is indeed a result of prayer and God giving you what you wanted all these years.

If the baby is not right for you God will not allow it to live or allowed you to conceive. I have known a number of women who have had a miscarriage, God has told them that the time was not right for them, there was one woman who longed to be a mother, she was not exactly in a good place in way she treated herself and the conditions she lived in, God gave her a baby, but a few months later took that life away from her, God came back with the life of that child was not going to end well and it was better to take it back now instead of allowing it to suffer later on.

God knows everything that is going to happen, so trust in God and do not commit murder.

 

[jennymae]

I have been searching for hours for an answer to my question and cannot find one and have browsed many Christian forums and came across this one which appears to be in use constantly so am hopeful that I may get an answer to my question.
for background I consider myself to be an ardent Christian, I became a more evangelical Christian about two years ago when I changed churches to a more modern contemporary church who helped me to realise that I was forgiven. Since then I have become a changed person.

my current situation, I am 38 and for some time have longed for a second child, my husband (not a Christian) and I have been sort of trying, anyway today I have found out I am pregnant (2 weeks) I am now in a panic and have come to the decision I do not want this child. My daughter is 4 and after 4 horrendous years we are just settling as a family and things are normal. During my pregnancy with her I had SPD, preeclampsia, what they call a fast birth and a massive bleed afterwards, I then had a breakdown in a major way and was hospitalised for three months with her in a mental health mother and baby unit. I am pleased to say that I have now been stable for nearly a year and a half but am still on a lot of medication


sooooo with all of my history I am now panicking and I have pretty much made up my mind that I want an abortion.

so eventually I come to my question (you needed the history first or perhaps my justification???) if I have an abortion while being an active Christian and commit this sin knowingly going against God am I still forgiven?
Perhaps take the abortion issue out of the question 'if I knowingly commit a sin against God can I still expect to be forgiven?' You see once you have committed your life to Christ we are told to try not to sin, we are broken people and we will always sin accidentally but what about purposeful sin can that be forgiven?

please do not turn this into a debate about my decision for the abortion, that is not the question I am asking my question is about grace

Thanks

I dont think God is concerned with your or our take on Grace here. I think He is concerned with the fact that a baby's life is at stake. I believe God has given us a free will, and we are free to choose whatever we like. That carries a big responsibility and is important that our choices are of the kind that the Lord can approve of. Abortion is not the Lord's choice, that is what I believe, and I for sure can't be debating Grace whenever a childs life is endangered. Having that said, I will be praying for both yall.

 

[kaylagrl]

I'm am very antiabortion. I don't even think people should abort babies for incest or rape. That said, I think there is room for this one. She almost died and then had a breakdown. Her life is in jeopardy. And I'm not saying that it is then okay to abort the little tyke. I'd much rather she make the right decision with God's guidance and her hubby on her side, whichever side that comes down on. Not all decisions are cookie cutter decisions.

As a Christian I cant agree to abortion ever being right.I met friends of the family yesterday at the grocery,they just lost their son.He was a cop,a promising young man.He was killed by a drunk driver.They are still in shock. I have a girlfriend that tried to have children and miscarried 3 times before she was able to have two daughters.The OP said a couple things.She said she was settled now and she didnt want another child at this time. I can understand being frightened but if she had such a terrible time with the first baby and was so afraid why would she try for another? Doesn't make sense.But Im a big read between the lines person. So thats my question.

Now if someone had an abortion and was an unbeliever I would be very supportive,God can forgive.If a woman had an abortion in the past,God can forgive. But making the choice as a Christian and expecting God to forgive,no I cannot agree to that.I guess Im hearing something different then others.If she makes this choice she has no right to call on God for forgiveness.She knew she had issues with the first pregnancy and if she went through so much why would she choose that again then suddenly decide to abort.If the OP comes back maybe they can be more clear,hard to tell from one post.

 

[blue_ladybug]

As a Christian I cant agree to abortion ever being right.I met friends of the family yesterday at the grocery,they just lost their son.He was a cop,a promising young man.He was killed by a drunk driver.They are still in shock. I have a girlfriend that tried to have children and miscarried 3 times before she was able to have two daughters.The OP said a couple things.She said she was settled now and she didnt want another child at this time. I can understand being frightened but if she had such a terrible time with the first baby and was so afraid why would she try for another? Doesn't make sense.But Im a big read between the lines person. So thats my question.

Now if someone had an abortion and was an unbeliever I would be very supportive,God can forgive.If a woman had an abortion in the past,God can forgive. But making the choice as a Christian and expecting God to forgive,no I cannot agree to that.I guess Im hearing something different then others.If she makes this choice she has no right to call on God for forgiveness.She knew she had issues with the first pregnancy and if she went through so much why would she choose that again then suddenly decide to abort.If the OP comes back maybe they can be more clear,hard to tell from one post.

She also stated that she HAS been longing for another child, and that they've been "sort of" trying. Then she says she doesn't want it now that she has what she wanted.. :/ A baby isn't a gift that you can return to the store if you don't like it..

 

[atwhatcost]

I thought I'd bring back Anon's words almost everybody simply ignored in their zeal to post their prove-a-point.

During my pregnancy with her I had SPD, preeclampsia, what they call a fast birth and a massive bleed afterwards, I then had a breakdown in a major way and was hospitalised for three months with her in a mental health mother and baby unit.

Hey, but it is more important to give the proper political opinion than to actually read what she wrote, right?

She almost died, People! She almost died. And she's still feeling the after-effects of the mental and physiological torment that followed. Don't you think, just once in a while, it's important to listen to people before giving the traditional rap of Christianese?

Anon, all rights say you should be scared now. I'm not dismissing that. I'm scared for you and I don't even know you.

All rights said people should have listened before giving political opinion too, but that didn't necessarily happen.

All I'm asking is for you to make sure you've covered all angles before making your decision. Please do not make it because of the panic, and I truly understand why you're panicking.

Do that and you don't have to ask God if it's okay to make this one sin. It hasn't even been established it's a sin yet. I honestly don't know what God says when it comes to the life of the mother in such a situation, but if you work through this, study what God does say, and get as much input from God and the people who matter (your hubby and your OB), God will give you the answer that is best for you in this case. You have weeks to figure this out, not merely hours.

My prayers are with you while you go through this.

 

[BenFTW]

I am actually shocked at some of these responses to this OP and it's completely heartbreaking to see, while others are full of grace and truth (which, of course, I absolutely love).

It doesn't depend on where I stand on this situation. I can't add anything else, because I feel BenFTW's response to you was absolutely perfect.

Just know you are loved. And hopefully some of the more judgmental/hateful comments on here did not drive you away because honestly, that would make me so sad. You truly are loved and cherished.

Do you have a pastor or a spiritual mentor who's talking with you in this?

That was also my concern.

 

[Mitspa]

Just a little observation..when someone comes and makes a first post like this ..you can figure that 99% of the time..its some kind of trolling deal..usally to make some kind of leftwing political point. Had I thought this was a real girl in a real battle to know and do what was right..i would have approached this with more grace .

 

[WoundedWarrior]

Just a little observation..when someone comes and makes a first post like this ..you can figure that 99% of the time..its some kind of trolling deal..usally to make some kind of leftwing political point. Had I thought this was a real girl in a real battle to know and do what was right..i would have approached this with more grace .

The only borderline troll here is you, Mitspa. Your negative and destructive response to her genuine and sincere question is absolutely unacceptable.

So just kill it...if your too busy ...why not get rid of your other children as well, since you have all those excuses

Did you even read what she said?

please do not turn this into a debate about my decision for the abortion, that is not the question I am asking my question is about grace

This is my first day posting to this forum, Mitspa, and in both threads that have caught my eye -- You are the person who is stirring up trouble. If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have any sincere advice to offer to someone who is OBVIOUSLY HURTING -- then, in Jesus's name, shut your trap.

 

[Mitspa]

The only borderline troll here is you. Your negative and destructive response to her genuine and sincere question is absolutely unacceptable.



Did you even read what she said?

This is my first day posting to this forum, Mitspa, and in both threads that have caught my eye -- You are the person who is stirring up trouble. If you don't have something nice to say, don't say anything at all. If you don't have any sincere advice to offer to someone who is OBVIOUSLY HURTING -- then, in Jesus's name, shut your trap.

5 post into this forum and you seem to think you have all the answers...well you have to earn the right to correct others here... and if you think killing a baby is a small thing? Or should not be called what it is? then you and me are going to disagree a whole lot ...im ok with that

 

[WoundedWarrior]

5 post into this forum and you seem to think you have all the answers...well you have to earn the right to correct others here... and if you think killing a baby is a small thing? Or should not be called what it is? then you and me are going to disagree a whole lot ...im ok with that

I am absolutely okay with disagreements. I am not, however, okay with you demeaning this woman's issue. Zero posts or 6,000 posts -- anyone with an ounce of common-sense will see this.

 

[kaylagrl]

I thought I'd bring back Anon's words almost everybody simply ignored in their zeal to post their prove-a-point.



Hey, but it is more important to give the proper political opinion than to actually read what she wrote, right?

She almost died, People! She almost died. And she's still feeling the after-effects of the mental and physiological torment that followed. Don't you think, just once in a while, it's important to listen to people before giving the traditional rap of Christianese?

Anon, all rights say you should be scared now. I'm not dismissing that. I'm scared for you and I don't even know you.

All rights said people should have listened before giving political opinion too, but that didn't necessarily happen.

All I'm asking is for you to make sure you've covered all angles before making your decision. Please do not make it because of the panic, and I truly understand why you're panicking.

Do that and you don't have to ask God if it's okay to make this one sin. It hasn't even been established it's a sin yet. I honestly don't know what God says when it comes to the life of the mother in such a situation, but if you work through this, study what God does say, and get as much input from God and the people who matter (your hubby and your OB), God will give you the answer that is best for you in this case. You have weeks to figure this out, not merely hours.

My prayers are with you while you go through this.

I want to say this first atwhatcost, I really like you,wow that sounded corny.I mean that I think we agree most of the time and I want respectfully disagree.

My view is not a political one,its a Biblical one.Yes I understand she has fears.I stood by the bedside of my 43 year old aunt as she died of stomach cancer.I understand fear,she had two young teens she was leaving behind. I understand death.She was under 93 pounds when she died.Not even enough strength to lift her head off her pillow.So no this is not a political or uncaring stance that I am taking.The woman said she wanted another child,even after what she had gone through and said she is still recovering,she choose to try again.Now that she has what she longed for she is using fear and her sickness as an excuse to murder her child.She knew how her first pregnancy turned out,why would she put herself in that danger again? Well she did.That was her choice,not the childs. Abortion is wrong.On top of this decision she wants us to tell her its ok to do so and to tell her God forgives her.That is beyond the pale. Killing a child is wrong and it was her decision to put herself in this position again. People can tell her whatever they like,she needs to pray,talk to her pastor and read the Bible.If she does that she will come to a different conclusion.If she can have faith in Gods grace she can have faith that he will honor her for doing the right thing. Ask the women in the church to surround her in prayer.Have faith and God will see her through.

 

[Mitspa]

I am absolutely okay with disagreements. I am not, however, okay with you demeaning this woman's issue. Zero posts or 6,000 posts -- anyone with an ounce of common-sense will see this.

See that put you into a group that I utterly detest..calling baby killing a "womens issue" is insane to me and those who use those type terms to justify their crimes have little standing with me as a chirstian.

 

[WoundedWarrior]

See that put you into a group that I utterly detest..calling baby killing a "womens issue" is insane to me and those who use those type terms to justify their crimes have little standing with me as a chirstian.

The fact that you label, judge, and group people is detestable. You misunderstood me; the person, Anon, who shared her story is a woman -- this is all that was meant by "THIS woman's issue".

Are you the Great Judge, Mitspa -- or is God?

 

[Galahad]

Suppose your husband came to you and said, "Honey, I really want to have sex with that young college girl across the street. I'm going to have sex with her. But I want you to forgive me after I do. I will be sorry afterwards. I will. Even so...."

You don't even know if your second pregnancy will cause you the same problems as the first.

Did you know that you may face more hardships in life. Yep, your problems with your first pregnancy are a part of life.

Have you presented your reasoning to your contemporary church?
Have you compared their contemporary answer to that Old Fashion Book commonly known as the Bible, the Word of God?

 

[kaylagrl]

See that put you into a group that I utterly detest..calling baby killing a "womens issue" is insane to me and those who use those type terms to justify their crimes have little standing with me as a chirstian.

People tend to forget whose "issue" it is.A child is Gods creation.As a Christian we give up our "rights".When you have your child dedicated the pastor speaks of how the child has been given to you by God to raise in the admonition of the Lord and guide to the right path.When I hear a Christian woman talk about the "womans right" to her body I cringe.Someone apparently hasnt really read their Bible.We are the temple of the Holy Ghost,we were bought with a price and we are not our own.We are to serve God and His purposes,not our own.We dont get to tell God what to do.Besides that with all the baby parts selling in the news right now I dont know how any parent could truly go though with abortion. But someone who says they are a Christian? It is beyond my comprehension.It is wrong,no matter how you slice it,try to justify it,make excuses.The OP is wrong. But I have a sneaking suspicion that we wont hear anyone from this OP.
God gave the OP this child, did He not? Was he wrong? Did God make a mistake? No,I dont think so.

 

[Pres19]

My concern, Anon logged off right after posting this and hasn't come back online. I hate to think this way but it kinda looks as if its another post just to make people debate against each other over a touchy subject. I truly hope not.

If it's a real post however.. I really hope the OP is in deep prayer over this. And whatever the choice the OP makes, I hope and pray God is by her side through it. Either decision is going to be hard and painful. I just Hope she is seeking Gods grace regardless.

 

[Galahad]

I won't give you the comfy cozy answer you ask for, but I will be sorry after I give you the absolute truth.

An "ardent" Christian asking such a question is unreasonable. You don't know what Christian means. Kill a baby for a convenient life. SELFISH. SIN.

Now I'm sorry.

 

[kaylagrl]

The fact that you label, judge, and group people is detestable. You misunderstood me; the person, Anon, who shared her story is a woman -- this is all that was meant by "THIS woman's issue".

Are you the Great Judge, Mitspa -- or is God?

God is,and that puts the OP in a much more dangerous decision.I hope she is talking to her pastor and praying this through.