are todays Christian women/men really any diffent??

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What a blame the victim mentality here. The women are cheating on him, and they blame HIM for the failure...

Of course adultery means nothing to the Church at large nowdays. They cheated on him, but at most he gets 'oh well they're probably both at fault.'

Oh well, good luck in the future Rill. I think the attitude problem you're talking about lies more in many of the responses you're getting than any particular individual ideology. The third case is the only one where there's any question of both being at fault. The other two are completely clean cut they did wrong.

Imagine if you where a woman posting that your first man abandon you, your second cheated on you repeatedly, and the third was violent with you? Do you think you'd get a response like 'well you're probabbly both at fault?' or 'it's your fault as you're the common denominator?' Never.

Looking at how they react to you should help clarify where the problem lies.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Would you mind providing some examples of feminism breaking up the family unit and disrupting the natural order of things, and whatever else you mentioned? I'm not arguing I just want to see something backing up these claims.
If your really interested in the topic you should do some independent research. It's a very easy claim to prove and I don't really care enough about the issue to write a point by point article with reference lists and all that good stuff. Suggested areas are the origins of the movement and funding of the movement. Comparative analysis of pre-feminism to post-feminism culture.....etc. All real easy to find stuff.
 
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BarlyGurl

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How many directions can I go with this? If a Christian man cannot pick a Christian wife out of three tries, he should've never had one to begin with, because he's not ready for marriage. If you lack spiritual discernment, you shouldn't be seeking a wife. I have to agree with Nautilus (imagine that, lol). I don't see you any different then I see the three ex-wives. Your sin is just as great as theirs. Asking the sisters to give you a break is an insult to their gender. Not all of them are like that. You're just good at picking out the bad ones. I believe once you deal with your own sin, you may see things a little bit different.
On this particular issue... I must vehemently disagree. Marriage was instituted by God BEFORE Christianity was born and marriage IS NOT an exclusive vocation for Christians... NOWHERE in the bible does it say a man or woman have to be SPIRITUALLY MATURE to engage in marriage. WHile I tend to lean toward rillolion having a "picking problem".... after three tries... I disagree that he is responsible for the past wives choices... or that he is a particular offender of sin for having tried 3 times to make a marriage. For the ratio of men out there who WILL NOT TRY AGAIN vs Rillolion's tenacity I think he deserves some credit.... REAL CREDIT... as opposed to the reviling you have dished him... :(
 
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jimmydiggs

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On this particular issue... I must vehemently disagree. Marriage was instituted by God BEFORE Christianity was born and marriage

I would be careful not to think of Christianity the way secular scholars do. ;)

or that he is a particular offender of sin for having tried 3 times to make a marriage.
Remarrying is not spoken of very positively in scripture, nor divorce.

By the way. Please don't use colors.

I really don't like bright colors in my face.


 
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BarlyGurl

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I would be careful not to think of Christianity the way secular scholars do. ;)
Remarrying is not spoken of very positively in scripture, nor divorce.

Jimmy... I have noticed you Do have some legalistic flaws in your theology. Eluding that my thinking is secular is an error... and just this time for you... no color.
 
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I would be careful not to think of Christianity the way secular scholars do. ;)
Remarrying is not spoken of very positively in scripture, nor divorce.

Jimmy... I have noticed you Do have some legalistic flaws in your theology. Eluding that my thinking is secular is an error... and just this time for you... no color.
:( No more pink? I liked it. It was a fine contrast on the white and quite readable.

Oh well.

Oh, just this time. Good good.
 
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Batman007

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If your really interested in the topic you should do some independent research. It's a very easy claim to prove and I don't really care enough about the issue to write a point by point article with reference lists and all that good stuff. Suggested areas are the origins of the movement and funding of the movement. Comparative analysis of pre-feminism to post-feminism culture.....etc. All real easy to find stuff.
Well the reason I ask is because I have done research and I've come to very different conclusions you have. If you don't want to provide sources that's fine I just don't think it's unreasonable for me to ask you to provide some when you're making a claim.

You don't have to write an article, just link some on statistics backing up your claims.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Well the reason I ask is because I have done research and I've come to very different conclusions you have. If you don't want to provide sources that's fine I just don't think it's unreasonable for me to ask you to provide some when you're making a claim.

You don't have to write an article, just link some on statistics backing up your claims.
I don't mind if you conclude to the contrary but there's a good reason I don't get into this particular topic too extensively. I'll give you an example. I can give statistics proving that the divorce rate is lower pre-feminism and that it progressively becomes higher post-feminism. I can also provide polls that asks about the level of happiness among women before feminism compared to present day.......First, feminist believers refute the data at all but when the data is there and undisputed.....The spin starts. Common arguments that I've heard are similar to "Well feminism didn't cause the divorce rate issue, it just made it possible for women who were already in bad marriages to leave easier".....etc. This is why I say I won't get that into it because you literally do have to write a point by point article to conclusively prove it if you want to apply the scientific method to an already obvious point. Anyone can give statistics to support a claim, it takes more than statistics to prove a point.




That's why I tell people to do independent research on it, If someone takes an unbiased look at at the all the freely available information....the conclusions are obvious. The only issue I've ever had explaining this topic is with hardcore feminists themselves, and that's because they already have the belief ingrained and won't accept evidence I provide anyway. It's not worth the hassle to me because I really don't care what feminists themselves believe. If someone wants to disagree with me that's fine, this issue really isn't that important anyway. The damage has already been done.
 
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Batman007

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Well, fair enough! :)
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Well, fair enough! :)
Lol, sounds like you have experience with what I'm talking about. Not specifically about Feminism but that topic is a perfect example of what I mean....I've done the statistic debate back and forth about many issues, things like that can go on for daaaays. One person cites a paper supporting this, another cites a paper supporting that. I'd rather just encourage people to take a look at it independently and come to their own conclusion. Even if a person ultimately disagrees with my point of view, it's a much better form of education.
 
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Batman007

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Oh yeah definitely I agree that people should do their own research. And yeah I have lots of experience in debates where people can use the same or very similar data to form their own conclusions and the two can fling sites back and forth for hours with absolutely no progress. I totally respect you.
 
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Donkeyfish07

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Oh yeah definitely I agree that people should do their own research. And yeah I have lots of experience in debates where people can use the same or very similar data to form their own conclusions and the two can fling sites back and forth for hours with absolutely no progress. I totally respect you.
Yea, lol. That type of exchange never ends up benefiting anyone. That's why I avoid it.
 
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I really wanted to comment on this thread, it isn't in response to anyone directly but to all who have been hurt by someone they love. When something bad happens we ALWAYS have someone to blame...was it the man's fault, or the women he decided to marry, was it this feminism movement, or those men who lured these women away from their husband....BOY life can be so complicated!!!

I am not the best person to give advice, but I like doing it...your answer is to turn to Jesus. I am sure there were times that you reacted out of the flesh and failed to listen to God....(not saying that is why you are in this predicament)...but submitting to God will allow you to be free. Free from the hurt, anger and unproductive finger pointing. I pray that you accept the peace that God desires to give you and your family.
 
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tdrew777

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I would be careful not to think of Christianity the way secular scholars do. ;)
Remarrying is not spoken of very positively in scripture, nor divorce.

Jimmy... I have noticed you Do have some legalistic flaws in your theology. Eluding that my thinking is secular is an error... and just this time for you... no color.
Jesus Christ is the promised seed of Eve who would crush the head of the serpent. He was slain before the foundations of the world. He is the eternal Son of God. Christianity did not start at the incarnation, but rather exists from eternity. Secular scholars would limit Christianity to the ministry of Jesus, forward in time.
 
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BarlyGurl

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Jesus Christ is the promised seed of Eve who would crush the head of the serpent. He was slain before the foundations of the world. He is the eternal Son of God. Christianity did not start at the incarnation, but rather exists from eternity. Secular scholars would limit Christianity to the ministry of Jesus, forward in time.
Okay... the entire dispensation of Judaism was an error... they were all practicing the wrong religion... never mind that they had no new covenant to practice in....:rolleyes:
 
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tdrew777

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The religion of Judiasm exists to reveal Jesus Christ.
Luke 24:27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself.
The covenant of righteousness by faith in Jesus Christ, was available to men in Old Testament times.
Rom 4:13 For the promise to Abraham and his offspring that he would be heir of the world did not come through the law but through the righteousness of faith.
For those who adopt a form of "Judiasm" that denies Christ, that "Judiasm" is an error - they are all practicing the wrong religion...The New Covenant could be anticipated from Genesis 3. Otherwise, men would have been without hope.
 
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Ariel82

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Perhaps you are only looking at the external things of a woman and not praying and asking God about her heart?

why did you marry the women to begin with? did you learn about their dreams? how do you know they knew scripture? did you learn if they had the Holy Spirit within them?

From a "male perspective" sounds like it more from a worldly bitter man's perspective. I admit most of the women I know are married or widowed but if given the opportunity and if they were cherished as God meant them to be I know quite a few women who would fit the proverbs 31 woman qualification.

However, I feel that you have a misconception of what a proverbs 31 woman would look like.

1. Her husband trusts her
2. she works with her hands
3. she brings food from afar, trading with merchants
4. she buys and sells land
5. she helps the poor and needy
6. she clothes her household

Proverbs 31
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Strength and honor are her clothing;
She shall rejoice in time to come.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]She opens her mouth with wisdom,
And on her tongue is the law of kindness.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]She watches over the ways of her household,
And does not eat the bread of idleness.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Her children rise up and call her blessed;
Her husband also, and he praises her:
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Many daughters have done well,
But you excel them all.”
[SUP]30 [/SUP]Charm is deceitful and beauty is passing,
But a woman who fears the Lord, she shall be praised.
so it makes me wonder, did the women before you marry them become involved in charity work? did they have a heart for those less fortunate? Did they truly fear the Lord and wish to keep His commandments? Were they humble of spirit and willing to submit to God's guidance? did they offer you wise counsel? Were they kind even when no one was watching?

did you remember that "Charm is deceitful and beauty is passing," ?

just because someone goes to church and claims to "speak in tongues" does not mean they truly are a child of God or that they are guided by the Holy Spirit.

Your words sadden me. ... I am married and plan to be married only once, even if my husband was to leave me, cheat on me or tell me he changed his mind about marriage because God stayed faithful to Israel even when she went whoring after other gods and idols. I believe God wants us to love our spouse even when they wander away from God and us, because there is always they hope that the one lost sheep might be found and brought back to the fold.

I believe if a man wants to be the head of the house, then he should be man enough to learn how to protect his family from the whisperings of demons and their doctrines. He should speak with his wife and learn what strongholds or lies that Satan might have planted in her life that would cause her to go against God's commandments. He should attend a church where there are older women who can mentor her into become the woman of God she was meant to be. Perhaps people will say its not the man's responsibility.

but it reminds me of the question: Am I my brother's keeper?

sometimes one should pray and ask, am I truly ready for marriage? Can I treat the other person as Christ treats the church? would I be willing to die for her, protect, love, serve and lead her towards God's upward calling?

Ephesians 5
[h=3][/h][SUP]22 [/SUP]Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. [SUP]23 [/SUP]For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is the Savior of the body. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her, [SUP]26 [/SUP]that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word, [SUP]27 [/SUP]that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. [SUP]28 [/SUP]So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord does the church. [SUP]30 [/SUP]For we are members of His body,[SUP][d][/SUP] of His flesh and of His bones. [SUP]31 [/SUP]“For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.”[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]32 [/SUP]This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.


From the ppl of the world as potential spouses...I've been married three time...to three Christians...the first left in a week...saying she made a mistake and wasn't ready for marriage...and 60 later was dating and later filed for divorce...the second had my children and multiple affairs...the third was violent, lied, cheated and abandoned the marriage....all three attended church regularly, all three spoke in tongues, all three knew the scriptures...
All.there were rebellious...
All im seeing in church now from a male perspective is a bunch of women with democratic views mixed with christianity ...rebellious, wanting headship, career or work orientated...selfesh and with someone elses children, wanting to date or get married...but yet are busy, busy, busy....what happened to the proverbs 31 woman instead of these headstrong brash dominate "Christian" females...????


Who have their own interpretation of scripture that is politically correct and only relevant with the times! Smh


Gimmie a break "sisters"...
what kind of "break" is it that you need?

My sisters and I would rather hold your hand and pray with you that you may find peace in Christ and His love. that you may find joy in His truth and forgiveness in your heart for the pain your wives have caused you. that you may let go of the bitterness and not allow the hurt to taint your vision of others. that you may learn to counter the devices of Satan and the doctrines of demons that infect the minds and hearts of so many. that you might grow and learn and with love and wisdom from above speak words and tear down the spiritual strongholds of darkness in the minds of those around you and even within yourself that might war against the knowledge of God. We would pray that you might with the Holy Spirit grow to be a strong mature man of God, a pillar of strength, a well spring of pure living water that might bring comfort and peace to those you meet. God bless and keep you. In Jesus name, we pray.

that would be the only break I would know to give you.
 

Nautilus

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What a blame the victim mentality here. The women are cheating on him, and they blame HIM for the failure...

Of course adultery means nothing to the Church at large nowdays. They cheated on him, but at most he gets 'oh well they're probably both at fault.'

Oh well, good luck in the future Rill. I think the attitude problem you're talking about lies more in many of the responses you're getting than any particular individual ideology. The third case is the only one where there's any question of both being at fault. The other two are completely clean cut they did wrong.

Imagine if you where a woman posting that your first man abandon you, your second cheated on you repeatedly, and the third was violent with you? Do you think you'd get a response like 'well you're probabbly both at fault?' or 'it's your fault as you're the common denominator?' Never.

Looking at how they react to you should help clarify where the problem lies.
So the women just cheated to cheat? He didn't do anything to push them away perhaps emotionally or physically? Perhaps he wasnt fulfilling their needs in the first place? To assume complete innocence on his part is in general rather ignorant, considering that we are only hearing one biased point of view of the situations in question.
 
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rillolion

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So the women just cheated to cheat? He didn't do anything to push them away perhaps emotionally or physically? Perhaps he wasnt fulfilling their needs in the first place? To assume complete innocence on his part is in general rather ignorant, considering that we are only hearing one biased point of view of the situations in question.
So what your.sayin is there's an excuse to cheat...didn't Messiah say these days would be as they were in the days of Noah?...didn't he say the wheat.and tares Couldnt be differentiated until a certain time? Didn't he say obey my commandments....implying it's a choice...we all have a path designed for hand these paths sometimes bitter sometimes sweet are used for his glory....brother you lack meekness, kindness gentleness, some of the fruits of the spirit ....which I decern by your comments....also you being single are so for a reason it seems..
 

Nautilus

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Im saying you may not have been the husband God called you to be which added fuel to the fire that led to them cheating yes. And being a realist and not blidly trusting people ive never met is no lacking kindness or gentleness, its called common sense. And yes I am single, because Im probably too picky in what im looking for. But then because of this I havent been divorced three times by women because i pick whoever i see....