Is church more important than family?

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a2jchase

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I also had a similar childhood... but, the church that became my family always told me to do the best I could (as a child) to love my parents just as God did .. well the best I could. It was so very hard but when I did show them I loved them (as God would) by not screaming back.. not hitting back or whatever.. I felt God's love in me.. and believe or not later in life they both told me it meant a lot to them.. they always knew I became a believer but it was my actions that showed them I was a believer.
 
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destinyinjesus86

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Hi Ariel,
Thnx. That was a wise reply indeed. I adore it really! Bottomline in as much as you love your spiritual family, your immediate family however is most important.
 
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destinyinjesus86

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I also had a similar childhood... but, the church that became my family always told me to do the best I could (as a child) to love my parents just as God did .. well the best I could. It was so very hard but when I did show them I loved them (as God would) by not screaming back.. not hitting back or whatever.. I felt God's love in me.. and believe or not later in life they both told me it meant a lot to them.. they always knew I became a believer but it was my actions that showed them I was a believer.
Hi a2jchase,
Hmmm... Well, my circumstances are different and complicated ones. My dad is completely silent to help his own kids. He never even provided, my friend. I bet at least your parents must have done that. Thanks for posting. :)
 
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I have always put them in this order.

1. God.Need I say more
2. Family. Because these are the ones you love and care about the most.
3. Work. You can't feed your children if you don't work.
4. Church.
 
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We can choose our friends, not our family. Sometimes this really rings true. But we do choose to be in the Family of Jesus. And I pray my family is too and we can spend all eternity with Jesus in Heaven.
I hear this so much as an excuse when someone has nothing to do with the family God chose for them. I don't think it is the way God sees it at all. Christ made it clear that following God came first, for He said we must be willing to leave our family and follow Him. But the entire bible has examples of what our birth families are to mean to us. Timothy makes it clear. 1 Timothy 5:4 But if any widow has children or grandchildren, they must learn to practice godliness toward their own family first and to repay their parents, for this pleases God.

The bible also talks a lot about having faith in God. Actually, the idea that the friends we choose are better than the family God has us born into, we can do it better than God can do it, doesn't follow as I see scripture. Sometimes this means we have it hard with our families. Friends help us more. But we need faith enough in God's ways to see God's purpose in our family.

That doesn't mean we are to follow family ways ahead of God's ways. Or even to deprive our families to give to the church. It means having faith in God.
 

onlinebuddy

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Mark 3:31-35 (KJV)
31[There came then his brethren and his mother, and, standing without, sent unto him, calling him.] 32[And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.] 33[And he answered them, saying, ] Who is my mother, or my brethren? 34[And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, ] Behold my mother and my brethren! 35For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
Hey DaShadow,
Thanks for posting. Hmmm.. Yes, true, Jesus said that . So, what is your opinion after putting this verse..that God's family is more important than immediate family?
Firstly, Hi JaumeJ my brother (and my other brothers and sisters), My apologies for not being in touch.

Next, Ruby, Let me explain my understanding of this passage of scripture (Mk 3:31-35)
Jesus put the purpose of God before anything else, or anyone else.
What was God's purpose for Jesus?
God's specific purpose for Jesus was to die for and redeem mankind.
Jesus would let neither his physical family nor his disciples to deter him from that purpose.
He once rebuked Peter (Mt 16:23) for the same purpose.
Also, he wouldn't allow his physical family to stop him from healing the sick and preaching the word of God.

Did Jesus' physical family (his mother and brothers) understand his purpose?
Surprisingly, NO! At this point they did not.
Since Jesus was so busy with his ministry, and had no time to even eat, they (and the scribes) thought that he was out of his mind. (Mark 3:21)
They came to take him away. Someone told Jesus that his physical mother and brothers were asking for him. That's when Jesus told everyone, that his REAL mother and REAL brothers were those WHO DID THE WILL OF GOD (Believers, Spiritual Family).
JESUS CLEARLY TAUGHT THAT SPIRITUAL FAMILY OF GOD (Believers) CAME BEFORE THE PHYSICAL FAMILY.
However, if we neglect our physical families, we are not believers.


Did Jesus love his physical family? Off Course he did!
How do we know this? Even when he was struggling to breathe and speak, as he hung on the cross, he entrusted his mother to the care of one of his disciples. He loved his physical family to death. He would die for anyone of his physical brothers or sisters. Similarly, we must love our physical family (father, brother, etc) irrespective of whether they are believers of not. We must love them irrespective of whether they treat us well or not.
That's the only way to portray Christ in our lives, and lead our unbelieving families to Christ.


I'm sorry that your Pastor does not see the fact that your father is on the wrong track. From what you have written, your Pastor does not seem to be a godly man. If he was a godly man, he would have confronted your father and encouraged him (your father) to take care of you and your mother first. Your father cannot serve God's church at the cost of his physical family i.e. you and your mother.

Your father must take care of both, the church and his physical family (i.e. you and your mother).
If he cannot support you and your mom, financially and emotionally and spiritually, he must LEAVE THE CHURCH ACTIVITIES and take care of you and your mother first. There are no two ways about it.

You said that your pastor seems comfortable with your father not taking care of his kids. What kind of a pastor would allow this? Something is terribly amiss here.

Also, it is wrong for your pastor to tell you to suffer mental abuse from your father (who seems to be a church leader).

Since I do not know your entire story, forgive me if I said something wrong. I know that it is easy to write on this forum, but i will be praying for you and your family.
 
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BishopSEH

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This is a situation that need not exist. We all have tried witnessing to our natural family ie. mom, dad, brothers and sisters, and we can all relate to the way Jesus felt when he returned to His hometown and so the resistance He faced from those that have known Him all His life. The hardest thing any believer will ever face is witnessing within the family.

Friends, aquaintances and strangers are all by comparison relatively easy. For the most I believe it is because of a vested interest. Friends will come and go and the father away a person is to you personally, the easier it becomes to deal with rejection. Family on the other hand is highly vested. You love them and would do anything to protect them. When they reject your witness it hurts very badly. Face it, you want your natural family to be pert of the Church family.

Your Church or eternal family, even when you disagree or fight, you know they are part of your family forever and you are part of theirs. It becomes, as you grow in faith and the strength to apply that faith, easier to opt to spend more and more time and energy on the family you will never lose. Often times this results in neglect or distance with your natural family that remain of the world. The natural family loves you but they do not affirm you, your choice or your Lord. They are in many cases outright hostile to all of that.

To this end I have developed some tactics that have work for me. That doesn't mean they will work for you or that they won't.

First, witness to them yourself BUT do so hoping for the best, wholehearted acceptance of the Lord, but expect the worst, outright rejection.

Second, always be in prayer for them. The Lord will back you up and support you when you call on Him. There is never a time when "going it alone" is necessary for the believer.

Third, recruit a helper. This for me has been a family friend that shares a place in God's family. They have a sense of distance so can focus on the evangelistic work without the intimate pain caused by rejection. It still hurts them no doubt but not nearly to the same degree it will hurt you.

Forth, live your faith openly and with joy. Most, I hope, have read the classic Tom Sawyer. In the novel Tom is tasked to paint a fence. He doesn't want to do it and notices his friends watching and knows they don't want to do it either. So Tom makes it look like he is having a blast painting that fence. His joy, which is visable attracts his friends and he is then able to tell them about how much fun it is. His friends eventually want to try it themselves. While Tom used it to get out of the work, we as believers should use it to get them to join into the work. That is to become partners in service. At the end Tom's friends really did have a good time painting. As followers of christ, we know that if someone will commit to the Lord, they will know true joy in all circumstances, even if it can be best viewed in hindsight. Basically, it is up to us to make living for Christ attractive by our life's example. This will re-enforce what is taught by the one you recruited for help in witnessing.

Fifth, know the Scriptures. As your family becomes interested they will likely come to you because you are there. Answer honestly and be willing to admit when you don't know the answer. Make it clear that just because you don't know the answer right now doesn't mean there isn't an answer. Also, when you don't know, seek one that does. Never leave a seeker hanging.

Our goal is not to neglect our natural family for the eternal family but rather to join the two. While salvation is of the Lord, we still have a part to play and play it we must. Love both families but in doing so show, through your life, that being in God's family is the place your natural family should most desire to be. This road we have decided to walk is often hard and rocky from our perspective but has been trod by no less than Jesus himself. He has blazed the trail ahead of us so that we may follow Him. Do not dispare and do not give up but always, with great joy, keep moving forward doing all the Lord has set before you to do.

In Christ,

Bishop SEH
 

Jeshuvan

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Hi,Gbu.Jesus asked who is my family.His answer was those who do the will of my Father.But it also states in the Bible 2 honor your parents.I would not be leed by forced feelings 2 love anyone,I would be leed by Gods Word,which says 2 love everyone with no conditions as Jesus loved us.He should pray 4 his parents 2,his war is not with his parents who r unbelievers,his war is with satan who is using them 2 get at him.Our.war is not flesh and blood,but 2 the pulling down of strongholds in dark places.Hope I gave u some insight in this matter Pastor John
 
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Hi Heaven lovers,
Every believer has two sides of himself. His inner spiritual self and his outer self we call flesh. Was just pondering the question : is God's family more important than our own flesh and blood ? Personally speaking, I see that there are many people who give more preference to the church people more than their own families. True, that, God is more important than parents, and spirit is considered more valuable than the flesh. Lets just say, a believer has unbeliever parents who traumatises him, but he gets his spiritual guidance and strong support from people at church. His natural affection clings him to the church members. However, Which do you think should be considered more important to such a person.. Unbeliever parents or Godly church members? If you say unbeliever parents, should this person force his feelings to love them? Your thoughts please...
The message is love for all people that frees someone from selfishness etc.

But if you don't love your family, how can you possibly love anyone else?