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Again agreeing with JSR...making an excuse not to confess to the one we are suppose to be one with...is also hurting them...Jenizona...ask yourself this...would you rather be hurt by the truth..or a lie...which would hurt more...not telling is living a lie. The other person will always find out, eventually.
 

Jenizona

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Again agreeing with JSR...making an excuse not to confess to the one we are suppose to be one with...is also hurting them...Jenizona...ask yourself this...would you rather be hurt by the truth..or a lie...which would hurt more...not telling is living a lie. The other person will always find out, eventually.

I will be 100% honest with you. If my husband had an affair, but it was OVER and he was NEVER going to do it again... I would not want him to tell me about it. Reason being... I could not possibly imagine ever having sex with him again, to be frank. He would have enough healing to do on his own, and would carry that with him for the rest of his life.

If, however, it becomes habitual behavior... then yes, I'd want to know, so that I could leave him. Once is a mistake. Twice is a habit. Just my opinion.
 
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I can see your point Jenizona...Thank you for your honesty :)
 

jsr1221

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That's my concern...

The cover up is always worse than the crime... Something drove her to cheat. Why doesn't the husband deserve to know what it was, so he could change into a better man (not saying he isn't.. But there was something that drover her, even if it's a small one). Need to stop thinking of oneself, and start thinking of the other person.
 

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I will be 100% honest with you. If my husband had an affair, but it was OVER and he was NEVER going to do it again... I would not want him to tell me about it. Reason being... I could not possibly imagine ever having sex with him again, to be frank. He would have enough healing to do on his own, and would carry that with him for the rest of his life.

If, however, it becomes habitual behavior... then yes, I'd want to know, so that I could leave him. Once is a mistake. Twice is a habit. Just my opinion.

If a person can't be completely 100 percent honest with the spouse, then why be married in the first place? The wife/husband wouldn't love the person enough to try and work it out. Instead, it would be "all about me" and "I don't want to lose him/her, so I will take this to the grave, even though I say 'I love you' each and every day."
 
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WoundedWarrior

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If a person can't be completely 100 percent honest with the spouse, then why be married in the first place?
Haven't been following the conversation so far, but I had a pastor tell me about "white lies" ...
 

Jenizona

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The cover up is always worse than the crime... Something drove her to cheat. Why doesn't the husband deserve to know what it was, so he could change into a better man (not saying he isn't.. But there was something that drover her, even if it's a small one). Need to stop thinking of oneself, and start thinking of the other person.
Yeah, so much about it is sad, jsr. Sounds like ... so many issues here, many of which seem to be primarily her doing (the original poster), by her own admission. She needs to do a LOT of self-evaluating. Preferably with a Bible in hand.
 
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What you do from here on out is what is going to matter. You have broken trust with your husband and your children. You have betrayed the person whom you promised your life to and you have betrayed God. Not one person here is perfect or sinless. Please don't get me wrong I'm not saying that your situation cannot be fixed because, I 100% believe God can heal any relationship if you both allow him to work in your lives. You have to be willing to give 100% of you life over to God, give Him control of everything and trust Him in all thing. Adultery is not a new topic for God. In John 8 we read this: the teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?” 11 “No one, sir,” she said. “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin. The key to these verses is at the end. Leave you life of sin. You need to work harder than ever before to gain back the trust of your husband. That means answering any question he has for you as many times as he needs to until he trusts you. It means he will question your whereabouts when you leave the house and will go through any piece of electronic you use. If you are not willing to give your husband 100% full access to your life, your marriage will not be healed. My suggestion to you is to get right with God, get help for your addiction to cheating, and come clean with your husband. Then trust God to take care of the rest. It may not end up the way you want it to but I can promise you God's way is the perfect way because it is the way that follows His plan.
 

jsr1221

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jsr1221, Sometimes telling someone can be more damaging than not telling them. Here is an excerpt from an interview with Mira Kirshenbaum, who wrote When Good People Have Affairs: Inside the Hearts & Minds of People in Two Relationships.

Should you confess if you feel guilty about it?
No. I've got to tell you that this is very, very important. I'm a person who is just an advocate of truth. I really will do anything to tell the truth, so it took me a long time to get to the point where I say, just don't tell. Because how does it make a person less guilty to inflict terrible pain on someone? Which is exactly what the confession does. It puts the other person in a permanent state of hurt and grief and loss of trust and an inability to feel safe, and it doesn't alleviate your guilt. Your relationship is dealt a potentially devastating blow. Honesty is great, but it's an abstract moral principle.... The higher moral principle, I believe, is not hurting people. And when you confess to having an affair, you are hurting someone more than you can ever imagine. So I tell people, if you care that much about honesty, figure out who you want to be with, commit to that relationship and devote the rest of your life to making it the most honest relationship you can. But confessing your affair is the kind of honesty that is unnecessarily destructive. There are two huge exceptions to not telling: if you're having an affair and you haven't practiced safe sex, even if it's only one time, you have to tell. Again, the moral principle is minimizing the hurt. But this time, the greatest risk of hurt comes from inflicting a sexually transmitted disease, and I've never seen a relationship recover from that. You also have to tell if discovery is imminent or likely. If you're going to be found out, then it's better for you to be the one to make the confession first.
This also goes completely against Scripture.
 
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Thank you Jenzonia... I mostly agree with what you think. In this instance the issue is not once but THREE times we have been told. My concern is that the OP is not as repentant as she needs to be... but rather is "mourning" in a convoluted way, for the loss of the other man.

I don't have a "solution" for that scenario... but it is a concern. I guess she is going to have to really search her heart and God for proper motive and procedure.

That said... I am backing out of this thread... this has been a very tough one for me... my compassion is beginning to wane as I just cannot wrap my head around WHY... nor do I really want to KNOW any of the potential excuses that will arise from continued commentary... I am more of the "faithful" minded sort of person. I have prayed earnestly for the situation and now... I am done.
 

Jenizona

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Thank you Jenzonia... I mostly agree with what you think. In this instance the issue is not once but THREE times we have been told. My concern is that the OP is not as repentant as she needs to be... but rather is "mourning" in a convoluted way, for the loss of the other man.

I don't have a "solution" for that scenario... but it is a concern. I guess she is going to have to really search her heart and God for proper motive and procedure.
I agree, BabyGurl... which is sad because now you left and you won't see this post. :(

Hard to see a marriage end, I think we were all just trying to help her avoid that. Maybe, in this case, a scriptural divorce would be best for all. It's just... so hard to say that. And sad.
 

jsr1221

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Yes, you're right. They should just get a divorce. Pretty sure that would be scriptural, at this point.

I can't say what I would do. If I get married, I am hoping I never have to come to that decision. It's a whole lot easier to say divorce, when you're not involved. Love sometimes is just too strong to let go... But... If I had a wife that never told me, and I found out, I wouldn't be able to look at her the same, because I'd always have reason to believe she's lying. That, I couldn't get over and would probably have to divorce. Honesty is such a huge thing to me.
 

Jenizona

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I can't say what I would do. If I get married, I am hoping I never have to come to that decision. It's a whole lot easier to say divorce, when you're not involved. Love sometimes is just too strong to let go... But... If I had a wife that never told me, and I found out, I wouldn't be able to look at her the same, because I'd always have reason to believe she's lying. That, I couldn't get over and would probably have to divorce. Honesty is such a huge thing to me.
Just out of curiosity, jsr1221, what's more important to you, honesty or faithfulness? (Wow, that's a toughie!)
 

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Just out of curiosity, jsr1221, what's more important to you, honesty or faithfulness? (Wow, that's a toughie!)
I'd rather not have someone hurt me.. But if it does happen, to be open about it. I don't think a normal person wants to be hurt.. But each and every relationship is based on trust. Faithfulness and honest go hand in hand, in my opinion. Long response that I don't even know if answered your question, but hoping it did.
 

Jenizona

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I'd rather not have someone hurt me.. But if it does happen, to be open about it. I don't think a normal person wants to be hurt.. But each and every relationship is based on trust. Faithfulness and honest go hand in hand, in my opinion. Long response that I don't even know if answered your question, but hoping it did.
Yeah, it was a weird question to begin with, no worries lol. :cool:
 
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jonl

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Yes I know that one its an old,old one,and a good one! I like The Brush because it shows how much we mess up our lives and how much we need to bring the broken pieces to Jesus and He mends us like we never sinned at all.
Without going into details, back in 1971 I felt a powerful healing from astral connected passion – before anything happened. However, there’s a price to pay for being deeply entangled, even without a physical encounter. That might be what Jesus meant beyond pornography – (Matt. 5:28)

But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
Without the Lord’s intervention, things might’ve gotten a lot worse. That’s one of the main reasons why IMO, secular psychology replacing true christian counseling and healing – has led to a lot of irreparable marriage problems. Without God the creator, marriage between two people is incomplete. It was God who instituted marriage in the first place.
 
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Mckenzie84

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God did intervene I know. I just am in dispare of who I have become. Look at me a mess a mess that has no way out