Real devotees do not expect benefit from God

[dattaswami1]

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If your aim is only to solve your problem in this world or in the upper world or in both, you have nothing to do with the formless God or the form of God. Your work is done when you pray for it sincerely. But mind that your love is not for God but for the solution of your problem.

Then God gives the solution for your problems only in a temporary way, which is not good for you in the long run. He postpones your bad results and brings the good results from your future births to the present. By this, you only enjoy the results of the deeds, which you have done and you cannot enjoy the results of the deeds, which you have not done.


It is like sending your application to the officer through a peon [office boy] after paying the necessary amount and getting back the application with the signature of the officer. You have nothing to do with the personality or the qualities of the officer. But when a girl loves the officer, she likes to see the personality and know about his qualities. His position as an officer is only one of the several aspects. Often, she neglects this aspect of the post, when the personality and qualities have attracted her. Similarly, a real devotee feels happy by knowing the details of God and he is not worried about the benefit from God. In this case, the Lord suffers for bad results of that real devotee and gives him eternal happiness.

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[christianmotherof32011]

I DO NOT ONLY PRAY FOR MYSELF BUT I PRAY ALL THE TIME FOR OTHERS.lORD LET YOUR WILL BE DONE,AS YOU SEE FIT

 

[loveme1]

Could you please explain the below?

"future births" ?

Then God gives the solution for your problems only in a temporary way, which is not good for you in the long run. He postpones your bad results and brings the good results from your future births to the present. By this, you only enjoy the results of the deeds, which you have done and you cannot enjoy the results of the deeds, which you have not done.

 

[dattaswami1]

I DO NOT ONLY PRAY FOR MYSELF BUT I PRAY ALL THE TIME FOR OTHERS.lORD LET YOUR WILL BE DONE,AS YOU SEE FIT

Do not ask any thing from God which is either related to present or future[FONT=&quot].[/FONT][FONT=&quot] When you ask some thing in present or some thing in the future, it clearly means that you are reminding Him about the corresponding reaction that is to be immediately implemented in the need. This indirectly means that God is not alert as you are. This is insulting God. Due to such sin the requirement is not answered. If you are asking to protect yourself or somebody else, it indirectly means that He is not aware of the things to be done due to the irresponsibility and this also indicates that He is not as kind as yourself. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] It means that God has potency to help but not kind enough to render the help. On contrary, it also means that you lack unfortunately the potency. It means if you fortunately have the potency you could have immediately responded and helped. Therefore, when ever you ask for anything it clearly means indirectly that God has some type of defect, which does not exist in your case. When you ask Him to fulfill the desire it looks as if that your desire is constitutionally justified. But God is not positively reacting due to either lack of positive response immediately or due to lack of knowledge of the constitution or due to lack of kindness to help the needy. All these points are very very subtle. But God is the most subtle and therefore, the knowledge of this analysis will certainly restrict you from asking any fulfillment of your desire. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Never bring present and future before God. Confine to the past always before God. Look back at your past life. Hundreds of incidents are there where you were helped by God. Even if you dispose some incidents through the incidental probability of success or through the efficiency of your efforts, certainly there are plenty of instances in which the help from God is clearly evident. At least remember those few incidents and express your gratefulness along praise to God for His kind help that was already done. The word Krutajnata means remembering the past help. Kruta means the past help done. Jna means identifying it by analysis. If you confine to praying the Lord and thanking Him always about the past helps from Him, the Lord will be immensely pleased. Then the present and future are spontaneously taken care of by the God. But do not adopt this technique with a mind that you will be helped by God in the present and in the future by following this procedure! [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]You should really follow this path and you should really forget the present and the future. When large number of people came to hear the message from Jesus, they were hungry by the noon. This point was brought to the notice of Jesus. He never asked God to provide food for those hungry people who came to hear God’s word. Had He asked for that, He would have insulted God. God knows His responsibility very well towards the devotees who came there to hear about Him. God has the power to fulfill His responsibility even in the last fraction of second. Had Jesus told God to bless the devotees with food, it clearly means that God is not as kind as Jesus. Jesus never asked for any thing. He came to know that there were four breads. He took them and showed to sky. He thanked God for providing those four pieces of bread. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Immediately the present was responded and the four breads became four thousand breads. This application of analysis is limited to Nivrutti only. You should not extend this to Pravrutti. When you are hungry you have to beg the other souls because they are not omniscient to know that you are hungry. Pravrutti and Nivrutti should never be mixed. [/FONT]
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[dattaswami1]

Could you please explain the below?

"future births" ?

The human being is entangled in the cycle of deeds called as karma chakra. The thought in the mind is the seed, which grows and generates action. The action certainly gives its result. Even if you escape the result of your action in this world you cannot escape from it in the upper world. In fact the result in the upper world is very severe due to the compounded interest due to the delay in getting the result. Therefore blessed are those who are punished in this world itself. Jesus says “It is better to punish yourself for your sin in this world itself than to fall into eternal hell”.

The punishment reduces the thought (which caused the deed) to the state of a tiny seedling. However the punishment cannot destroy the thought completely. The thought exists in a very minute called the state of subconsciousness. Even you are not aware of your subconscious thought. When the soul comes from hell to the earth and enters a new human body, the child contains all the qualities or thoughts of previous births, hidden in the subconscious state. Therefore the child is unaware of anything and appears to be the most innocent and sacred. In the child the thoughts are like seeds that have not germinated. Whatever may be the external atmosphere in which the child grows; those strong thoughts will certainly germinate and grow up to be tender plants if not strong trees. But if the external atmosphere is favorable, the strong thoughts become trees, and weak thoughts will become plants. These germinated thoughts will result in corresponding actions. The actions will give their own fruits whether here or there.


The fruits are the punishments, which will again reduce the thoughts to seeds. This is the cycle of the deeds. When it is said that you are enjoying the fruit of the action of your previous birth, it has to be understood in the context of this cycle. The action of your previous birth was punished in hell and has reduced your thought to the form of a seed. In this birth the seed grows and results in its corresponding action. Such action can give you its result in this world if you are captured here itself. The judicial system in this world also functions under the direction of the Lord only. If you have escaped the judicial system in this world, it too is by the will of Lord alone. The Lord might have judged your case and might have given you a chance of transformation. Sometimes you are punished wrongly in a case. Do not abuse the court or God. Perhaps you are punished for some other sin. Do not think that you have escaped a punishment that you deserve just because the court finds you ‘not guilty’. Perhaps God is directing you for a severe punishment in hell, which cannot be provided by the court here. Therefore do not think that you have fooled the court or that the deity of justice is blind with a cloth tied on her eyes. Even this court is functioning according to the will of the Lord because the Lord governs everybody and everything in this world. Therefore do not blame God or do not say that God does not exist if some criminal escapes punishment of human courts.

Destroying the Seed

Now the main point is how to escape from this cycle? You cannot escape from this cycle by preventing the deed or punishment. If you are tied with a rope, you will not do the deed as long as you are tied. You will do the deed as soon as you are released from the rope. You may escape the result of your deed here by someone’s recommendations, but you cannot escape from it in hell. The only way to stop this cycle is to destroy the thought which is the initiating seed of this cycle. How to destroy it?

The seed is a thought which is a living property (sentient property) or a property of life. If it were an inert property like light or heat, it could be prevented by physical methods. Only knowledge, which is another living property, can destroy this thought. Only a diamond can cut another diamond. The wrong knowledge, which generates this sin, is dangerous. Ignorance, which is zero, is better than wrong knowledge, which is minus (negative). Therefore only righteous knowledge can destroy wrong thoughts. You can differentiate the right knowledge from the wrong knowledge through careful, patient analysis and discrimination. The knowledge of God alone can create devotion in your mind and develop it. Thus by knowledge alone can you get rid of this cycle and attain and please God. Shankara says “Jnanat eva tu kaivalyam”, which means that knowledge alone can give salvation. Jesus preached the same spiritual knowledge throughout His life.

 

[loveme1]

Where are your quotes from the Bible?

I will accept Yahvah God inspired scripture only.

For me it sounds more like evil spirits are manipulating you.

If you are not willing to accept the Bible as Truth then you will be open to this.

Repent and seek the Truth.

Yahshua the Messiah will clean you and give you protection from this.

Be reconciled with Yahvah God.

 

[Ugly]

Eh, you've been blatantly preaching and teaching hinduism with a touch of Christianity. But i believe site rules prohibit preaching and teaching of other religions, so i have reported this user. We'll see what mods feel about it.

 

[Marcella]

The human being is entangled in the cycle of deeds called as karma chakra. The thought in the mind is the seed, which grows and generates action. The action certainly gives its result.

True believers (Christians) don't believe in karma because that isn't what God has taught us about who we are (His creation) and who He is (Creator).

Even if you escape the result of your action in this world you cannot escape from it in the upper world. In fact the result in the upper world is very severe due to the compounded interest due to the delay in getting the result.

Are you trying to imply that the "upper world" is heaven? If so, then you aren't getting your description of heaven from the One True God, Adonai Ts'vaot (God of Heaven's Armies) and His Holy Scriptures.

Therefore blessed are those who are punished in this world itself. Jesus says “It is better to punish yourself for your sin in this world itself than to fall into eternal hell”.

I believe you're referring to Mark 9:45. If so, you've twisted Scripture. The actual quote is this: "And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame, rather than having two feet, to be cast into hell, into the fire that shall never be quenched."


Now, to untwist it. It's not talking about punishing yourself, it's talking about avoiding sin and temptation. Perhaps you're thinking of Catholicism, which feels the need to do penance for the forgiveness of sins, but that is also a twisting of Scripture. True believers rely on grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone for salvation and forgiveness.

 

[wwjd_kilden]

nvm, I didnt thee that the OP is gone, and msg wont delete

 

[shekaniah]

1 Cor 2:14
The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Psalms 55:22
Cast your cares on the LORD and he will sustain you; he will never let the righteous fall.

1 Thes 5:16 -18
Be joyful always; pray continually; give thanks in all circumstances, for this is God's will for you in Christ Jesus.

Phil 4:6 & 7
Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.
And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

James 5:16
Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

Ephesians 6:18
And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints.

 

[dmdave17]

Shekaniah and friends,

I have a feeling that Bible quotes are wasted on this yokel. Even money he has never even opened it.

God bless.

 

[Mediate]

Well it's true that thought is.a.seed which grows and generates action.

Jesus told us many times to capture our thoughts and put them to love.

I massively disagree with this site's ideal that religions cant be spoken about here except what they deem 'christianity'.

If people realise the meaning of love they have nothing to fear of other religions.

Similarly if we dont let others speak it encourages the atttitude of 'I am above them. And i am right'.

If you want to PM me and we can discuss jesus, and karma then you would be very welcome dattaswami1.

 

[loveme1]

Well it's true that thought is.a.seed which grows and generates action.

Jesus told us many times to capture our thoughts and put them to love.

I massively disagree with this site's ideal that religions cant be spoken about here except what they deem 'christianity'.

If people realise the meaning of love they have nothing to fear of other religions.

Similarly if we dont let others speak it encourages the atttitude of 'I am above them. And i am right'.

If you want to PM me and we can discuss jesus, and karma then you would be very welcome dattaswami1.

I also reached out via pm

It is best to stop people from spreading their religion and if they will not stop then a ban allows them to read i believe, just not post.. could be beneficial for the banned person.

I believe for too long the Truth is hidden under the hill for fear of offending people.

It is Yahvah God's truth and if it offends so be it.

Love is Truth.

 

[loveme1]

The fact that someone believes they are a Christian while partaking in an evil deceptive religion highlights the concern that it is overly used and seems very worldly..

i prefer not to be labelled with a word that is used broadly etc..

They are out to deceive people and does one detect any similarity even by the name krishina and Christ?

pagans will try anything to corrupt the Truth...

 

[Mediate]

I also reached out via pm

It is best to stop people from spreading their religion and if they will not stop then a ban allows them to read i believe, just not post.. could be beneficial for the banned person.

I believe for too long the Truth is hidden under the hill for fear of offending people.

It is Yahvah God's truth and if it offends so be it.

Love is Truth.

You're totally wrong.

Love is hidden under the fear that we cannot live WITHOUT OFFENDING PEOPLE and still know truth.

But the truth is, Love isn't offensive.

Nobody must believe what I believe; because they have been given their free will.

And nobody must be oppressed and stopped from sharing their view.

Then they are forced into something.

The attitude of Jesus was to allow all people of all beliefs and opinions to sit and eat.

Because instead of shunning them into silence, He taught them the manner of active love that pleases God.

And peace is synonymous with it.

Not the 'throw them in jail when they don't agree' kind of peace.

More the 'come, eat, speak, share and learn' kind of peace.

I don't fear other religion. I welcome it.

 

[Mediate]

The fact that someone believes they are a Christian while partaking in an evil deceptive religion highlights the concern that it is overly used and seems very worldly..

i prefer not to be labelled with a word that is used broadly etc..

They are out to deceive people and does one detect any similarity even by the name krishina and Christ?

pagans will try anything to corrupt the Truth...

How can you assume to know her mind or her heart? that she is 'out to decieve'?

Are you God?

Why do you fear her?

 

[Mediate]

Jesus said that pure 'religion' was this; Feeding the hungry and visiting orphans and widows.

I totally believe that Jesus cares more about how we act toward one another than in what doctrine we believe in.

People come to Christ by being LIKE HIM. Not by professing their belief in Him.

True belief requires no profession. it's proof is in it's fruit.

 

[Mediate]

Choice is not something that my love (as a human) is to infringe upon.

Some will use 'rejoices in truth' to deny this.

But what I realised was that it is about how I act, not about what THEY believe.

If my faith only goes as far as to compare myself to others then what am I except something of this world?

My whole attitude is geared for division.

If my faith is pointed inward and the sword strikes myself, as it were, before others, I realise it is my actions and my reactions that define any situation.

Someone can hit me. But do I need to hit them back or say 'you hit me?'

Why don't I ask instead 'How can I react in love?'

The only reason someone hits me is because they are angry. Sometimes anger causes us to do things.

But does my anger in return make it better?

Or does my understanding of my anger make it better?

When I understand my own anger and deny it power, I can understand their anger and forgive it.

It all starts with ME. Not THEM.

 

[Mediate]

We are not all so different.

 

[Mediate]

Ultimately, I am to become the master of my own mind, first of all.

When I still my tongue and stop judgement of others, I point the mirror of the word to myself and see an imperfect faded reflection.

Then how can I say 'I know them. They are evil', when i don't even know myself fully?

But one day, I will be shown in fullness. And when the imperfect dissapears, the perfect will appear.