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It's worth having a conversation with a pastor or speaker over. That kind of teaching certain could encourage sin and instability in the home. I agree with you. Peter tells wives of unbelieving husbands to submit to their husbands. A wife is to submit to God, first, of course, not looking for opportunities not to submit to her husband, but put being submissive to God first if obedience to her husband is in opposition to God.
The wife who submits to her husband should do so as unto the Lord. I agree with you. If the wife submits only if she considers her husband worthy, well it's human nature to find excuses, and plenty of wives have a long memory when it comes to real and perceived short comings of their husbands.
The wife who submits to her husband should do so as unto the Lord. I agree with you. If the wife submits only if she considers her husband worthy, well it's human nature to find excuses, and plenty of wives have a long memory when it comes to real and perceived short comings of their husbands.
M
I'm glad you realize this 
In my life, i find everything seems to come down to balance, never 100 percent of one thing or another, but a balance between faith, logic, the guidance of the holy spirit, other people and the Bible. I do not think you will do so well to just base your belief on what is written in the bible and ignore those other important things.
In my life, i find everything seems to come down to balance, never 100 percent of one thing or another, but a balance between faith, logic, the guidance of the holy spirit, other people and the Bible. I do not think you will do so well to just base your belief on what is written in the bible and ignore those other important things.
That may be true for you and some other women. But women are bad, too. Men aren't the only bad people. Fortunately, Christ came to redeem us. There are brides who have difficulty submitting even to the most loving of husbands.
Marriage typifies Christ and the church. If we look at the book of Revelation, some of the churches didn't treat Christ with the respect, submission, love, and devotion that they should. Yet was Christ lacking in any way in His love for these churches? Certainly not. These churches erred because they gave into temptation, not because their Groom lacked anything.
Even if the husband is perfectly loving and lays his life down for his wife like Christ did, a wife still needs to know that she is to submit to her husband if it happens automatically. But even wives whose husbands 'do not obey the word' must submit to their husbands as well, and it is possible that their husbands may be won through this and their godly lifestyles as we see in II Peter 3.
Marriage typifies Christ and the church. If we look at the book of Revelation, some of the churches didn't treat Christ with the respect, submission, love, and devotion that they should. Yet was Christ lacking in any way in His love for these churches? Certainly not. These churches erred because they gave into temptation, not because their Groom lacked anything.
Even if the husband is perfectly loving and lays his life down for his wife like Christ did, a wife still needs to know that she is to submit to her husband if it happens automatically. But even wives whose husbands 'do not obey the word' must submit to their husbands as well, and it is possible that their husbands may be won through this and their godly lifestyles as we see in II Peter 3.
There seems to be an assumption when the word 'submission' comes up that it must have something to do with the husband grinding his wife beneath his heel, being domineering or unloving toward her.
But 'submission' doesn't have to occur in some negative abusive scenario such as this. A woman can willingly submit, joyfully obeying her Lord as she submits to her own husband.
If a man wants his wife to submit to him, it need not necessarily be out of some motivation to dominate or abuse her, or to satisfy some aspect of his own will. the man who knows, appreciates, and values the scriptures will want to have a godly home. He will want his wife to walk closely with the Lord and obey his word, including in areas that relate to the home, such as respecting her own husband or submitting to her own husband.
It is not wrong for someone who is a manager to correct a disobedient employee who ignores his directives and remind the employee not to behave in this manner. It is not wrote for a parent to teach his or her own children to obey and honor father and mother. Parents are obligated to teach their children these things along with other aspects of the word of God. This need not be done out of some sinful motive to domineer or abuse the children. It can be done out of a desire that the children grow up well-behaved, walk in fear of the Lord, and the desire that the home operate in a godly manner. Why would a man who reminds his wife that she is to submit to her husband therefore, have to do so out of a bad motive? Why would it be wrong to recognize error in sermon that tells women only to submit if their husbands are loving them as they should?
Telling a husband to love his wife is good. Telling a husband if he loves his wife as Christ does, that she is guaranteed to submit as scripture teaches is a foolish conclusion. Why? Because women are people, too, and women are capable of sin.
But 'submission' doesn't have to occur in some negative abusive scenario such as this. A woman can willingly submit, joyfully obeying her Lord as she submits to her own husband.
If a man wants his wife to submit to him, it need not necessarily be out of some motivation to dominate or abuse her, or to satisfy some aspect of his own will. the man who knows, appreciates, and values the scriptures will want to have a godly home. He will want his wife to walk closely with the Lord and obey his word, including in areas that relate to the home, such as respecting her own husband or submitting to her own husband.
It is not wrong for someone who is a manager to correct a disobedient employee who ignores his directives and remind the employee not to behave in this manner. It is not wrote for a parent to teach his or her own children to obey and honor father and mother. Parents are obligated to teach their children these things along with other aspects of the word of God. This need not be done out of some sinful motive to domineer or abuse the children. It can be done out of a desire that the children grow up well-behaved, walk in fear of the Lord, and the desire that the home operate in a godly manner. Why would a man who reminds his wife that she is to submit to her husband therefore, have to do so out of a bad motive? Why would it be wrong to recognize error in sermon that tells women only to submit if their husbands are loving them as they should?
Telling a husband to love his wife is good. Telling a husband if he loves his wife as Christ does, that she is guaranteed to submit as scripture teaches is a foolish conclusion. Why? Because women are people, too, and women are capable of sin.
J
A wife's submission to her husband is a gift to him, just like his gentle loving leadership is a gift to her.
I hear many husbands demand their wives submission; I hear many wives demand their husbands lead their homes in the way Jesus leads the church. Demanding love, leadership or submission will never produce the desired fruit, it must flow out of a christian's heart through the Holy Spirit because of their love for Christ.
That is why a godly spouse is such a treasure!
I hear many husbands demand their wives submission; I hear many wives demand their husbands lead their homes in the way Jesus leads the church. Demanding love, leadership or submission will never produce the desired fruit, it must flow out of a christian's heart through the Holy Spirit because of their love for Christ.
That is why a godly spouse is such a treasure!
Does a husband have to love even if his wife does not submit? I look at this "biblical" view of marriage and usually find it very one sided. The wife has to submit no matter what and the husband gets to lead. Leadership...isn't it convieneint how the man still gets to lead even if she won't submit but she still MUST submit if he's not loving her? We say that submission is this beautiful thing and it is if it's to God. If it's a wife to a husband...that just can't be healthy. Someone on here posted a while back that she and her husband had a disagrement and she submitted and allowed him to make the final descision then she said that it was the best choice ever. So by that logic women aren't capable of making big descisions. Someone else posted about how these threads make it look like men are better than women. Well I couldn't agree more. It makes it look like men are smarter than women. My boyfriend tells me that I'm smarter than him all the time and that he finds it attractive. So why why why why do I feel so stupid every time the issue of submission comes up?
M
Does a husband who puts up with fifty instances of cheating and allow the wife back not show love and empathy for her drug and other addictions. Then when fed up uses a biblical word of whore and the disgust that Moses allowed for divorce of uncleanness in the OT how does this show a lack of love in the marriage?
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I 'd like to hear her side of things...rhetorically speaking.....did you read where Jeremiah heaped shame on his wife's head even though she actually was a whore?
No? If you think that rant the op gave illustrates love, or forgiveness then you need to look up the word forgiveness
We are not living with Moses leading us in the wilderness...we are supposed to be living with Jesus, the good shepherd leading us and not come on a forum and have good ole rant about his cheatin wife.
ps...he seems to believe he has ownership of his wife...that is a common attitude among certain men who believe they are privileged and have God's approval for their control and manipulation...neither of which have anything to do with submission
No I don't give adultery a free pass...but she isn't here to give her side now is she...and it would be biblical if she did
No? If you think that rant the op gave illustrates love, or forgiveness then you need to look up the word forgiveness
We are not living with Moses leading us in the wilderness...we are supposed to be living with Jesus, the good shepherd leading us and not come on a forum and have good ole rant about his cheatin wife.
ps...he seems to believe he has ownership of his wife...that is a common attitude among certain men who believe they are privileged and have God's approval for their control and manipulation...neither of which have anything to do with submission
No I don't give adultery a free pass...but she isn't here to give her side now is she...and it would be biblical if she did
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Not defending the bureaucrats.
They drive me nuts too. Most particularly with their jargon and ambiguous documents.
Many seem unable to communicate and actually get some "I'm smarter than you" buzz by using acronyms and talking down to people.
HOWEVER, often the problem is not entirely their fault.
The 'rule book' you speak of is usually legislation - laws enacted by our elected representatives - whether we like them or not.
The Public Servant rarely has much discretion. They are legally required to comply with the legislation.
They drive me nuts too. Most particularly with their jargon and ambiguous documents.
Many seem unable to communicate and actually get some "I'm smarter than you" buzz by using acronyms and talking down to people.
HOWEVER, often the problem is not entirely their fault.
The 'rule book' you speak of is usually legislation - laws enacted by our elected representatives - whether we like them or not.
The Public Servant rarely has much discretion. They are legally required to comply with the legislation.
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No she is not but that is the idea. I have come to a Christian site to get support and to get things off my chest to help heal. I am beyond hurt and am taking this time to vent. Had I been on here for therapy I would give my real name and hers and we can hash things out together. You have my side. Thats all you need.