The Lakewood Church

[preacher4truth]

"False teachers are God's judgment on those who don't want God, but in the name of religion, they plan on getting anything their carnal heart desires. That's why a Joel Osteen is raised up. The people who sit under him are not victims of him; he is the judgment of God upon them because they want exactly what he wants and it is not God." - Paul Washer

...and Washer is exactly correct. They want god alright, but it is not the God of Scripture.

 

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Osteen comes out of the Word of Faith movement so he's going to be tending to go in that direction.

However, we cannot deny that God would want the best for us. It's just that in this world we're not Always
going to get the best.

However, it is true, that you get what you see. If you could Envision a good family life, as a wife - let's say -, chances
are that you will be able to create what you see in your mind's eye. This is a proven fact.

If you see yourself as a loser, then you will tend to become a loser.
I believe this is what Osteen means. He's trying to get people to see the best of themselves.

Fran

Yea but when you are saying you run a business and Jesus is your product and you sell people what they want to hear, like Osteen did in pretty much his only interview, something is seriously wrong. A chuch is not supposed to be a business selling any product. Money is not supposed to be the focus, its not even supposed to be kept but extra money after bills are supposed to be donated and given back to the Lord. Not to buy chains of mansions for yourself. I must disagree a church is not a business and if you think it is you have turned my fathers house into a den of thieves.

 

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Joel Osteen is an exhorter. That is his ministry. There are people that need to know that God is good and loves them. They need that "exhortation" to get out of the distresses that are attacking their minds.

He has a different function in the body of Christ then a pastor.

Take a look at this video that shows exactly what is really being said by Joel. We really need to be very careful in the things we allow others to say about those in the body of Christ that speak differently then we do.

This video really shows the distortion and "twists" that come by the way some view what is being said by others..


[video=youtube;C9u_QwkBwJE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9u_QwkBwJE[/video]

If you go back to the first page here and read you will see what Benny Hinn was talking about when Joel said Jesus is not the only way to heaven.

 

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You're not hurting?
It seems to be very important for you to put down the leader of the largest Christian church in America and you claim you are not Christian.
It seems your battle is against Christians and Christianity and you are using words the best way you can to tell us all how horrible Joel Osteen is and how horrible his church is.
How does this affect you?
It obviously hurts you in some way that people in this world like Joel Osteen and like Lakewood church and you don't.
You claim they are so bad but you don't even go there or get involved first hand with what they do there.
How do you know it's so bad?
By what you see on a Larry King you tube video?
If you're so close to his church, why don't you go there to a Sunday morning service and see first hand what goes on.
And Joel says he's always available after the service to shake hands with newcomers and say hello..
Then you can see for yourself if he's really the big bad ogre you make him out to be.

I do believe in the Lord, I dont have a problem with Christians as my family is and I married one. And you dont know why I dont go there. And the reasons are on the first page which you conveniently ignore. Things such as Joel saying Christ is not needed and there is another way and preaching things against what the messiah taught. I think you might be the one with the issue because you been at my throat for days on this thread all cause I dont like Joel. Maybe you cant deal with others not liking him for some internal reason in yourself.

 

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That's interesting.
And what do you have to say about the Lakewood church?

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Allen it seems you do not understand the conversation going on even. On the post before this he said clear why he doesnt like the church and you asked him why he doesnt like the church. Now you ask what Prynce what he thinks of Lakewood Church and this whole thread is about Lakewood church. Joel is Lakewood church. What do you mean, does he like the janitor work and the parking?

 

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What some people fail to grasp is that "our best life now" is exactly what Jesus said, in many places, that He came to introduce us to......... "Exceedingly above and more abundantly than anything we can imagine" is the life He brought to us here and now.

Too many people dig in their heels, and insist that they are meant to suffer and live a miserable existence here until, FINALLY, one day they will be transported to Kolob, or whatever other planet they think they will be housed on. And they are determined to try and see that everyone else is just as miserable as they have decided to be.

I don't think this is "The Joy of The Lord" the Bible speaks of.

So now that you see nobody likes him and you are pretty much alone you stopped attacking the people that dont like him huh. I think people who attack others over belief have some growing up to do.

 

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May I ask who you listen to to receive the pure Word of God?

You too Allen you seem to be asking questions politely now instead of blindly attacking anyone that doesnt agree. Did you grow up in a day or did you realize its not just me?

 

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So, those that have spoken against Osteen - that means you have been to his services many times and first hand have heard him say all these things. For example - it's ok to live the homosexual lifestyle?

I hope us "good Christians" know that lying, malice and slander are just as much a work of the flesh as living the homosexual lifestyle is.

Joel Osteen finally comes out on ‘gay’ issue

link above

Soooo does this mean you are gay? XD

 

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I'm betting you haven't heard enough of him to have an honest opinion.

Joel Osteen finally comes out on ‘gay’ issue

It looks like you are the one who hasnt heard enough to have opinions.

 

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You do realize that getting on your knees before God and repenting for your sins is not the real gospel. The real gospel - word-for-word accounts given by Peter and Paul in Acts 10 and in Acts 13 - show what the real gospel of the grace of Christ is.

Actually I hardly listen to him. He has an exhorter ministry and that is something I don't need at the moment but if and when I do - I'm sure the Holy Spirit will lead me to listen to whomever He has chosen to exhort. edify and comfort me.

If
you dont listen to him how are you going around telling people they are right or wrong of what he did or didnt say? If you dont know just leave it alone dude.

 

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Maybe he understands the actual Biblical meaning of the word, "repent", and is not trying to tell them to just make an "I'm so sorry, God." show.

He
does not tell them to repent in any sense of the word lol.

 

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Are you able to provide evidence of Osteen saying "ehhh yea I don't like talking about that stuff." Otherwise, at least to me, it sounds ambiguous and inconclusive. I like empirical evidence and not something as vague as mist in the fields on a summer morning.

I might understand not wanting to condemn anyone, but I agree that if you are a Christian, you believe in only one way to God. I have actually seen a couple of videos wherein Osteen's ground seems a little shaky, but I'm not always a light on a hill either.

He has homosexuals at his church? Oh that's just nasty! I once worked for one...homosexual that is...does that nullify my Christian testimony?

Judgement makes Joel feel uncomfortable? Am I wrong, or do you have conversations with him about his feelings? Seeing as you have brought them up a few times now.

No, the Bible is not a feel good message but for some reason, when I study the message, I feel good.

Can't explain it.

Theres many videos of him doing it but if you dont want to look them up for yourself its not our job to hold your hand and post them all for you. Its pretty much his calling card. Even in every video posted on this page he did this. Even the ones those posted on his behalf. I bet I can find 30 vids of him doing it. What do I win if I do all this work for you and right?

 

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So, those that have spoken against Osteen - that means you have been to his services many times and first hand have heard him say all these things. For example - it's ok to live the homosexual lifestyle?

I hope us "good Christians" know that lying, malice and slander are just as much a work of the flesh as living the homosexual lifestyle is.

Non sequitur. A person doesn't have to attend his services to conclude he's a false teacher. Your standard doesn't apply because it cannot be true since it cannot be consistent. Joel's a false teacher preaching covetousness, idolatry, loving self and things and rejects Christ as the exclusive Savior and LORD. And you're endorsing him. It's remarkable how his teachings are shown to be false but that is rejected because a person grows tired of hearing it over and again. Interesting. Persons are shown this to be true over and again and they train their consciences to reject that and to carry on as if it doesn't matter. Interesting indeed...

 

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So, you have been to his services and heard him yourself say not to stop living the homosexual lifestyle?

What about those that slander others in the body of Christ? Should we have those in our churches? How about those with outbursts of anger?

They are in the same list as those that live a homosexual lifestyle. How about lasciviousness which is "without restraint" - should we have all those that are obese from over-eating kicked out of our churches? Shouldn't we preach down on them for not repenting?


If we preached against every one that walked by the list of the works of the flesh - no person would be safe in our churches. We are just being hypocrites by condemning those that are still learning how to live by the spirit so that they will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh to do "it's" desires.

What if we preach Christ and the grace and love of God so that they have the proper "nutrients" to grow up in Christ and walk by the Spirit instead of by the flesh?

There is a time for church discipline too but that is left up to those in leadership positions and not just any Christian like you or I which are not involved in that local assembly.

Nobody said anything about kicking anybody from churches. But when a preacher is saying its cool to be gay, Jesus isnt necessary, and we can create reality, not to pray for thanks for the small things like food and family but ask for big things like money, etc. Then we think its time for us to go find a new church.

 

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Be careful what you sit under I guess.

Condemnation and judgement preaching seem to produce the very same thing in the people that sit under it.

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You mean like how all the Joel supporters are attacking and jumping all over the non Joel supporters? Take another look at the thread and pretend its coincidence why dont ya.

 

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Now you are doing a psych evaluation on the man

Jesus is an old school preacher and He looks us straight in the eye when He says that everyone of us have come short of the glory of God.

And don't read the prophets of the Old Testament because that could keep you up at night.

See, many seem willing to apply judgement in the mistaken belief it illustrates they have a better understanding and do not share in the sin DNA of others

It has the opposite effect in my estimation.

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after the psyche evaluation thing you lost me. But no if you watch Osteen you will see its practically his calling card and all over the place, not some deep psyche thing.

 

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This is what I'm wondering...

1. Why don't you tell us some of the strange things you've seen or your father in law has seen.

2. If we're to believe in the Holy Spirit, then why can't we believe that He got that big Church filled up with people?


I'm a bit confused about this.
Doesn't the Holy Spririt WANT churches to be full?
We complain when they're empty,,,
we complain when they're full,,,


Fran

I did not see him do horrible things like I been saying. I was making the point that I lived by him because it was being insinuated I believe that I knew nothing about the church when I live across the street. Not saying hes a horrible guy just saying hes a human being and you never know whats behind the business persona. Of course he doesnt have the same face in the grocery store as in the fancy pictures you see. Hes a human and a prick just like the rest of us.

 

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For AllenW

Does Joel speak about how we're to follow Jesus?
I can't remember.
Of course he does.
Joel is very good on his home court (Pun also).
Listen to him and others in his church and listen to what they do to serve God.
We should be so good.
I could never speak as well of him as does his own church every Sunday morning.
Watch it and get hooked on it.
You'll get excited about church service, look forward to it, and wanting to have someone to talk to about it.
I personally feel the Lakewood Church service is the best!

We left you links of videos of Joel saying you DO NOT have to follow Jesus but you chose to ignore also you dont seem to understand the conversation so no need to reply to you anymore.

 

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I would leave any church where the preacher was so arrogant as to abuse the pulpit that way. The pulpit was not built higher like that so preachers could take better shots at the individuals in the congregation. No pulpit is for public humiliation of the people. There is a whole week between Sundays to speak independently and privately to Gays, and gossipers, and overweight people, and adulterers, and bad husbands and wives, insolent children, and haters, and the dozens of other sinners sitting out there.

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In otherwords you are looking for a gay church?

 

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Yes. I do know that it's a very active church.
They have different ministries for different needs.
They have comedy date nights and other activities. They
Don't just save people, they follow up and provide support so that
They aren't left to the "world".

I don't know of too many churches that do this.

Fran

I called them a few days ago with my fundraiser to Save a Christian girl (chatter here) from terrorist threat where she is doing missionary work. I just ask $1 and to pass the message around. They hung up on me. I hear of another missionary asking them for help in need and they got hung up on too. Dont believe me? Try it yourself. I dont know where you heard that they help people and provide support to people but they left the chatter here to die while the small churches were eager to help. And this is the real test.