When are contraceptives allowed?

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smithbr8

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So you are going by government law to make your decision. I am going by the bible. I see our differences. Forgive me.
And honestly, I'm not trying to start arguments, at all. I'm just trying to understand why we a society, both by government and by the Lord's word, value one life over another when God's Word says otherwise...
 

Elizabeth619

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Not saying for you to say it's God's plan. But why is it ok to stop an abortion and say abortion would NEVER be in God's plan?
Can you please give me biblical scripture to support where a forced abortion would be supported by God.
 

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And honestly, I'm not trying to start arguments, at all. I'm just trying to understand why we a society, both by government and by the Lord's word, value one life over another when God's Word says otherwise...
I dont care about what the government says. I go by the bible.
 
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smithbr8

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Can you please give me biblical scripture to support where a forced abortion would be supported by God.
And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17

Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16

Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

The priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell. And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. ...
And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. -- Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28
 
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wolfywolfs

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I dont care about what the government says. I go by the bible.
you may use the "old testament" trick but lets just say if the bible in the new testament told you to stone certain types of people would you do even tho its against the law
 
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smithbr8

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I dont care about what the government says. I go by the bible.
But the Bible also that rape victims must marry their attackers. There are some things that I'm sorry, as a Christian it's tough for me to say, but that we have to analyze. It also states that slaves are perfectly ok and if a man desires, he can take a female slave, rape her, and it's ok because you don't need a female slave's consent.

You just have to analyze things. You.... you just do.
 

Elizabeth619

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you may use the "old testament" trick but lets just say if the bible in the new testament told you to stone certain types of people would you do even tho its against the law
What is more powerful? The law or God?
 

Elizabeth619

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You two are taking everything out of context to excuse abortion. Is that what this thread is about?
I do understand that there are situations where no matter the decision it will be a difficult one In those situations I hope that a person will look toward the bible and pray and make their decision the best way they can. I would never hold their decision against them . We can go all day long trying to find reasons why abortion is ok, but I really don't have the time or the patience to go rounds with any of you when you trow out petty examples where the attention is centering in on ME and my view and not what the bible says. IF you want to bash me for my point of view then fine. That is your problem but I refused to argue with people about this any longer. I have clearly stated my point of view. I do not approve of abortion. If I have no right to tell others it is wrong then you all have no right to tell me my view is wrong.

In saying that...I am backing out of this conversation at least until it gets back on track. I will not partake in foolish arguments or allow my view to be placed under attack when I have clearly said my opinion is MY opinion. Not fact.
 
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wolfywolfs

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told you she would say we are taking it out of context
 
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smithbr8

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You two are taking everything out of context to excuse abortion. Is that what this thread is about?
I do understand that there are situations where no matter the decision it will be a difficult one In those situations I hope that a person will look toward the bible and pray and make their decision the best way they can. I would never hold their decision against them . We can go all day long trying to find reasons why abortion is ok, but I really don't have the time or the patience to go rounds with any of you when you trow out petty examples where the attention is centering in on ME and my view and not what the bible says. IF you want to bash me for my point of view then fine. That is your problem but I refused to argue with people about this any longer. I have clearly stated my point of view. I do not approve of abortion. If I have no right to tell others it is wrong then you all have no right to tell me my view is wrong.

In saying that...I am backing out of this conversation at least until it gets back on track. I will not partake in foolish arguments or allow my view to be placed under attack when I have clearly said my opinion is MY opinion. Not fact.
Again, not saying your opinion does not matter, but you say you go with the Bible, and the Bible gives instances when it's ok. I honestly don't understand how if the Bible says it's ok and how if it's in God's plan, then abortion is always 100% absolutely wrong and women who have them are evil. I understand there are differing opinions, however to say that it is absolutely NEVER in God's plan is not Biblical. I apologize if I made you feel as though your opinion didn't matter, but to state that Biblically abortion is wrong, is to say that God lied. And I won't acknowledge the notion that God is wrong. Man can have differing opinions, we're human. But God can not according to the Bible.
 
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wolfywolfs

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obviously you are looking for an argument. Which shows you are not capable of handling an adult discussion.
o not true it is simply you making it an argument the fact of me saying you would saying i know you would take it out of context because every time the old testament is brought up thats what everyone says just because i predicted it doesnt mean im starting an argument and as for saying im attacking your opinion when have i. i have just been asking question mainly about you to see what kind of person you are
 

Elizabeth619

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And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. -- Numbers 31:15-17

Give them, O LORD: what wilt thou give? give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts. -- Hosea 9:14

Yea, though they bring forth, yet will I slay even the beloved fruit of their womb. -- Hosea 9:16

Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up. -- Hosea 13:16

The priest shall say unto the woman, The LORD make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the LORD doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell. And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen. ...
And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people. And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed. -- Numbers 5:21-21, 27-28
I will go ahead and answer this since you were kind enough to post scripture, and I do thank you.

Alot of what you posted shows punishment for sin. In the OT punishment for sin was physical death. Thank goodness we are no longer bound by this law. I will agree it was harsh, but keep in mind it was God giving the direct command. Not even then was it up to man to make the decision.

Also, take a look at Ex 21:22-23. 22 “If men struggle with each other and strike a woman with child so that she gives birth prematurely, yet there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the woman’s husband may demand of him, and he shall pay as the judges decide. 23 “But if there is any further .

This clearly shows God values the life of the unborn.
 

Elizabeth619

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Again, not saying your opinion does not matter, but you say you go with the Bible, and the Bible gives instances when it's ok. I honestly don't understand how if the Bible says it's ok and how if it's in God's plan, then abortion is always 100% absolutely wrong and women who have them are evil. I understand there are differing opinions, however to say that it is absolutely NEVER in God's plan is not Biblical. I apologize if I made you feel as though your opinion didn't matter, but to state that Biblically abortion is wrong, is to say that God lied. And I won't acknowledge the notion that God is wrong. Man can have differing opinions, we're human. But God can not according to the Bible.
Ok, let me rephrase it then... it isnt right for MAN to make the decsion, when it should clearly be left up to God.