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O debates always get heated stop being hard on yourself its the same as someone haveing a negative view of your opinion like my opinion on abortion is its up to the person freedom of choice. If the person had sex without protection they are idiots and I belive abortion shouldn't be an option after 12 weeks of pregnancy (basiclly after the cell stage). Now I bet you someone out the would proberly call me evil and other things for beliveing that and I don't care 
O debates always get heated stop being hard on yourself its the same as someone haveing a negative view of your opinion like my opinion on abortion is its up to the person freedom of choice. If the person had sex without protection they are idiots and I belive abortion shouldn't be an option after 12 weeks of pregnancy (basiclly after the cell stage). Now I bet you someone out the would proberly call me evil and other things for beliveing that and I don't care
Also, if someone sees you as EVIL then call them a Pharisee and move on... lol. (ok that was mean)
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No baby is EVER a mistake- it is a gift of life, one that should be treasured at all costs. Isn't it amazing that these days those who commit murder have the right to life, but to kill an innocent baby (which is one at the moment of conception - I don't care what science says about it not being a human!) seems to be in fashion lately. I cannot accept the killing of an innocent child- I will not judge those who have had an abortion, that I believe is between them and their maker to sort out, but I cannot imagine that an abortion in the case of rape could help and let it all be forgotten. I think that mother will often have feelings of guilt, which satan will use in her future to cripple that mother with. We cannot spill innocent blood and expect to get away with it. Rape is one thing, as ugly and violent as it may be, but MURDER- that seems worse than the first.
The birth issue, these days the medical fields have so advanced, I think is would be wise to check first whether you will be able to carry a full term pregnancy, if you don't feel you want to do it by faith and go all the way, have yourself "fixed".
The birth issue, these days the medical fields have so advanced, I think is would be wise to check first whether you will be able to carry a full term pregnancy, if you don't feel you want to do it by faith and go all the way, have yourself "fixed".
Or you know life begins at birth since throughout the bible it describes the breath of life, and God breathed life into adam, indicating breath is a good sign of life. But lets only take bits and pieces of the bible...since life beginning at birth completely destroys the entire murder argument. Not to mention in hebrew the word rauch is used for breath and spirit and the greek equivalent for soul and spirit in pneuma...
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Life is not cut and dried in each individual case. Sorry. There was the case of a teen with terminal cancer who had a chance to live longer, maybe even go into remission and live a long time. After getting pregnant, she stopped any further treatment, gave birth, and died a couple of weeks later.
What would you have done? She really did have a statistically significant chance of living longer through treatment.
Seems easy from a distance, but when your life is on the line, maybe not so easy.
Pregnancy through rape or incest, and aborting the pregnancy? Well, a woman was in a (very probably) permanent coma, gets raped by one of the caretaker attendants, gives birth. Did the girl's parents even think once of aborting the pregnancy? I rather doubt it. No matter how bad the circumstances, they did get a grandchild out of it (sorry if that sounds a little cynical).
I do not think we have to approve of everything, just understand there will always be circumstances whose results we can never fathom. These results can span a lot of time from the past into the future. (There are plenty of mundane examples of this happening.)
What would you have done? She really did have a statistically significant chance of living longer through treatment.
Seems easy from a distance, but when your life is on the line, maybe not so easy.
Pregnancy through rape or incest, and aborting the pregnancy? Well, a woman was in a (very probably) permanent coma, gets raped by one of the caretaker attendants, gives birth. Did the girl's parents even think once of aborting the pregnancy? I rather doubt it. No matter how bad the circumstances, they did get a grandchild out of it (sorry if that sounds a little cynical).
I do not think we have to approve of everything, just understand there will always be circumstances whose results we can never fathom. These results can span a lot of time from the past into the future. (There are plenty of mundane examples of this happening.)
The breath of life is in reference to God being the giver of life. Human life.
You keep using Adam as an example yet Adam was not born of woman. According to the bible he was formed as an adult male.
A body without a spirit is dead. A spirit without a body is incomplete. There is never one without the other. When a person dies, their spirit is no longer part of the physical body.
When a child is concieved it is obvious their is life due to the fact it grows in the uterus. Therefore there has to be a spirit/soul. There are even passages in the bible that shows that God considers and values the life of the unborn.
When Elizabeth was told that Mary was pregnant with Jesus, John the Baptist "leaped" in her womb. It is clear that he was filled with the Holy Spirit before he was even born.
Oh yeah, one more thing... since we all agree that God is the giver of life....shouldn't he be the one to "take" life as well?
You keep using Adam as an example yet Adam was not born of woman. According to the bible he was formed as an adult male.
A body without a spirit is dead. A spirit without a body is incomplete. There is never one without the other. When a person dies, their spirit is no longer part of the physical body.
When a child is concieved it is obvious their is life due to the fact it grows in the uterus. Therefore there has to be a spirit/soul. There are even passages in the bible that shows that God considers and values the life of the unborn.
When Elizabeth was told that Mary was pregnant with Jesus, John the Baptist "leaped" in her womb. It is clear that he was filled with the Holy Spirit before he was even born.
Oh yeah, one more thing... since we all agree that God is the giver of life....shouldn't he be the one to "take" life as well?
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This gave me a chuckle. You ask a question, then tell me i can't give the answer i want to give. Guess what, i'm going to give it anyways. God would not plan to murder an unborn human. If you don't like the answer, don't ask the question.
And no, absolutely not, that is not putting 'God in a box'. Declaring wrong as wrong and sin as sin is not putting God in a box.
And no, absolutely not, that is not putting 'God in a box'. Declaring wrong as wrong and sin as sin is not putting God in a box.
A stillbirth and miscarriage is different than a forced abortion. When a person intentionally eliminates a pregnancy there lies the issue. A child dying in the womb spontaneously is something a woman has no control over.
Also, if someone does have an abortion and later on regrets it and see it is a sin and asks for forgiveness then God forgives them and the sin is wiped away.
Also, if someone does have an abortion and later on regrets it and see it is a sin and asks for forgiveness then God forgives them and the sin is wiped away.
Ok let me rephrase it. You actually got me here! lol
God doesn't murder. God should never be "blamed" for anyone's death. Whether it is an unborn child or an elderly person. God also did not create our bodies to last forever, and we do not have control of how long we will be alive.
Is it fair for a woman to suffer a muscarriage? No. It isn't but I will never say "God did it."
Also, if you want to know why we actually have "death" it is because of sin. The sin of Eve. Because of this, sin entered in to the world.
Ok, that makes more sense. I personally believe that miscarriages are caused by God, but not necessarily as a punishment...it's a grey area for me, but I understand where you're coming from. Thank you so much for clarifying
One thing about death... God also comforts us. It is a hard thing to swallow that God "allows" someone we love so dear to leave us. No matter their age, but one thing I learned last year when I lost my sister was God was with me during tht horrible time. He still is. I may not see him, but I do "feel" him.
Also, my sister is with him now. Her physical body is gone, but her soul never died. It went home. To Heaven. And I will see her again one day.
Whether a baby is "aborted" or is miscarried I do believe the unborn has a soul. When the baby dies their soul goes back to God.