Why should I believe god exisit?

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Randy319

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My son had Cystic Fibrosis and his condition eventually worsened to the point of no hope. I prayed, my wife prayed, our church prayed, and hundreds of people we didn't even know prayed... and it was all useless. My son passed away and god was not there to help at all. I can understand that maybe I was not one of god's favorites, but so many other people who I knew to be good christian's were on board, but it made no difference. I have completely lost my faith and I do not believe in god any longer. It appears that prayer, to me, is a complete waste of time, and what I hear in the secular world is true, god doesn't exist, is also true. I would like to be convinced otherwise, but I just don't see it. If this is what I can expect from the god I served, then I would rather serve Satan because at least he is up front about his intentions.
 

Blain

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My son had Cystic Fibrosis and his condition eventually worsened to the point of no hope. I prayed, my wife prayed, our church prayed, and hundreds of people we didn't even know prayed... and it was all useless. My son passed away and god was not there to help at all. I can understand that maybe I was not one of god's favorites, but so many other people who I knew to be good christian's were on board, but it made no difference. I have completely lost my faith and I do not believe in god any longer. It appears that prayer, to me, is a complete waste of time, and what I hear in the secular world is true, god doesn't exist, is also true. I would like to be convinced otherwise, but I just don't see it. If this is what I can expect from the god I served, then I would rather serve Satan because at least he is up front about his intentions.
My friend you have to accept that sometimes the answer is no, God is a loving and caring father he took your son to a better place where he will no longer have to suffer from all the pain and sadness and evil of this world.

your son if he was a Christian is as we speak full of joy peace and is having the greatest time he could ever have and you cannot imagine the beautiful things he is seeing right now.
I understand you are hurting and sad but can you honestly think of a happier place he could be in?
 

blue_ladybug

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My son had Cystic Fibrosis and his condition eventually worsened to the point of no hope. I prayed, my wife prayed, our church prayed, and hundreds of people we didn't even know prayed... and it was all useless. My son passed away and god was not there to help at all. I can understand that maybe I was not one of god's favorites, but so many other people who I knew to be good christian's were on board, but it made no difference. I have completely lost my faith and I do not believe in god any longer. It appears that prayer, to me, is a complete waste of time, and what I hear in the secular world is true, god doesn't exist, is also true. I would like to be convinced otherwise, but I just don't see it. If this is what I can expect from the god I served, then I would rather serve Satan because at least he is up front about his intentions.
Randy, first let me say that I am so sorry for the loss of your son. The grief you feel is but a fraction of the anguish that God felt upon seeing HIS son suffering on the cross, knowing that no amount of intervention could help. God DOES exist!! He loves you and your son so very much!! I know it may seem that he was not there during your son's illness, but I can assure that he carried your son to heaven himself! :)

It is always during our hardest, darkest times that God feels so very far away. Prayer is never a waste of time. He has heard each and every prayer of yours. He knows the depth of your grief. God allows bad things to happen to us, to show us his infinite love for us. He had a plan for your son, he has a plan for you and your family. Rest assured that your son is helping God with his plan for you. :)

Life is not meant to be easy OR painless. We can learn lessons from what happens to us, or we can keep repeating the same mistakes over and over. We can use tragedy to build us up, or let it tear us down. Use your son's death as a means to build up God and your son. Thank him that you were able to have your son for the time that you had with him, and thank him that he is now safely and happily with God. If you want to honor your son, AND give God the glory, let this experience lift you up above your grief. But whatever you do, don't start serving Satan!! He will only take you to a place where you will never see your loved ones again. Keep trusting in God to bring you through this. Keep giving him thanks for getting you through your grief, and ask him to help you honor him by not ever giving up. It is IMPOSSIBLE for you to lose your faith. Once you have it, it's there forever. You can misplace it, but you can never lose it. :) The word "impossible" in itself says "I'm possible"!! :) God bless you.
 
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Randy319

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My son was a Christian, he believed in god and he believed until the end in god, but I just can not understand why he was taken away. It just seems like all the praying and all of the belief was a complete waste of of time.
 

santuzza

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I'm very sorry for your loss. I can't imagine the pain you are going through.

You say that you'd rather serve Satan because he is upfront about his intentions. Unfortunately, that is completely false. Satan is the craftiest of deceivers.

God IS upfront. He never tells us that our lives on earth will be perfect. In fact, He very honestly states that following Him will make our lives here on earth rather difficult.

Does God hear our prayers? Yes, every single one of them. But He doesn't always give us what we ask for. Sometimes His answer is no. We don't always know why.

And when it comes to your grief, remember this: God knows EXACTLY what you are going through right now because He, too, had to see his Son die. It must have been horrific to witness. So in looking for comfort, I encourage you to look to God -- He can be your solace and consolation if you let Him.
 
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I'm very sorry to hear about your son. There really isn't any words that any of us can say to even get to the core of how you feel as well as the situation in of itself, unfortunately. We can't say as to why God would let these things happen while miracles can be performed for others. Why there's sickness, diseases, starvation, etc. in this world and that if this is some merciful God then he lets them suffer. We can blame mankind due to the corruptions that caused many of these things to occur, but when these very people never asked for it and were even born in it then why?

I wish I had an answer. Really, I do. I don't know what to say to make you have any type of faith. When living in such a hopeless world then we have to have some sort of hope that this can't just be it. We can't (or at least I can't) think of life where it starts with pain, ends with pain and that's it. Like I said, corruption in of itself takes a major part and that's something we do allow to happen. I can't provide an answer that will give reason or bring your son back. I can't say whether if God heard your prayers or not and why it resulted this way. Anyone who feels to have that type of say as to why is, in my opinion, a hypocritical liar.

Don't give in with Satan either. He is from what I've experienced even if it's nothing as great is nothing more than a stronghold. He couldn't care less what happens to us, whether if we believe or not. Like I said, sorry about your son.
 

Blain

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My son was a Christian, he believed in god and he believed until the end in god, but I just can not understand why he was taken away. It just seems like all the praying and all of the belief was a complete waste of of time.
The reason he was taken is unknown but God knows the pain you are going through after all we took his son. No prayer is ever wasted, just because it was not answered doesnt mean it was a waste.

God had a very good reason for this and trusting him may be the last thing you want to do as im sure you just want an answer to why but to say you would serve satan from losing your son says you need to become closer to God because God needs to be the most important thing to us even above our family.

Im sorry I know this sint what you want to hear in fact I dont even want to say it as I am the type of person to encourage and uplift others but I just feel lead to say this and I am truly sorry for it
 

presidente

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My son had Cystic Fibrosis and his condition eventually worsened to the point of no hope. I prayed, my wife prayed, our church prayed, and hundreds of people we didn't even know prayed... and it was all useless. My son passed away and god was not there to help at all. I can understand that maybe I was not one of god's favorites, but so many other people who I knew to be good christian's were on board, but it made no difference. I have completely lost my faith and I do not believe in god any longer. It appears that prayer, to me, is a complete waste of time, and what I hear in the secular world is true, god doesn't exist, is also true. I would like to be convinced otherwise, but I just don't see it. If this is what I can expect from the god I served, then I would rather serve Satan because at least he is up front about his intentions.

Randy,

I am very sorry for your loss. I can see that it has been very difficult for you, and I can't really know how you are feeling.

Sometimes, really sad things happen. Why would that mean there is not a God? People who believe in God die, too. Why would someone dying mean that there is not a God? You said your son believed in God. Does that mean that he is supposed to have physical immorality in this life?

All of our lives are only a vapor. We are only here a little while. We aren't guaranteed our next breath. If God gives it, it is a gift and we should be thankful to Him, and not deny Him when someone else breathes their last.

If your son died in Christ with faith in Christ, then he will be raised from the dead. The Bible tells believers this so that we will not grieve as those who have no hope.

As far as answered prayer goes, I don't know why your prayers weren't answered the way you wanted them to be. The Bible does say that it is appointed unto man once to die, and after this the judgment. If your son's time came, his time came. Yours will come eventually. After that you also will face judgment. You could take comfort in the fact that your son died at peace with God. What will your condition be at death? When you are suffering, you should draw closer to the Lord, casting all your cares upon Him because He cares for you. You should not turn aside into unbelief, and that's not good for your own comfort either, because God is the God of all comfort, and He can help and heal you.

Many, many people can testify to times when there prayers have been answered. I've experienced answers to prayer that came in incredible, mind-blowing detail for what I've requested. I can't say I've experienced that every time I've prayed, but I would have to be a fool to say that there is no God.
 

Angela53510

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I don't know how long ago your son died, but your questions are the ones someone asked who is grieving. If he has died within the last year or two, this is perfectly normal. But if it is a lot longer, you are stuck and you need to find a good Christian counselor to help you.

I am very sorry for your loss. But God never promises us a perfect life. In fact, the Bible is full of pain and suffering. We find our joy in spite of our circumstances, through a relationship with Jesus Christ. I know it might not be helpful, but pretty much everyone I know has some kind of problem or suffering to deal with. Sometimes it seems like we are alone with our pain. But we are not, because Jesus walks with us through the valley of the shadow of death.

I think you can rejoice that your son is in heaven, with Jesus. He is not hurting anymore. As for you, you do need some help, a shoulder to cry on. I think losing a child must be one of the most painful things anyone can go through.
 

notuptome

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All souls are the Lords. The death of His saints are precious in His sight. Your son is where he feels no pain and has no more suffering. He enjoys the bliss of eternity and the presence of God his Father.

You are being tested to see if you will trust God to care for your son. You must expect God to care for you one day as God now cares for your son. There are few if any tests in a mans life greater than the death of his child. You will if you allow the Lord to minister to you in this trail find yourself better able to minister to those around you. You can share the burdens of others having experienced great burdens of your own.

If you are a child of God do not let the devil rob you of what God has for you tomorrow.

For the cause of Christ
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My son had Cystic Fibrosis and his condition eventually worsened to the point of no hope. I prayed, my wife prayed, our church prayed, and hundreds of people we didn't even know prayed... and it was all useless. My son passed away and god was not there to help at all. I can understand that maybe I was not one of god's favorites, but so many other people who I knew to be good christian's were on board, but it made no difference. I have completely lost my faith and I do not believe in god any longer. It appears that prayer, to me, is a complete waste of time, and what I hear in the secular world is true, god doesn't exist, is also true. I would like to be convinced otherwise, but I just don't see it. If this is what I can expect from the god I served, then I would rather serve Satan because at least he is up front about his intentions.
First, we all go through losses, especially our parents. Although, not often as painful as losing a child. But, you're not alone. Rejecting God won't help, it'll just make you son's life and death pointless. As a Christian, you have the hope of seeing your son again, in paradise and not suffering. Reject God, and that hope will be gone. Is that what you really want?

A lot of churches promise health and wealth. The Bible doesn't teach this. This is corrupt preachers trying to appeal to your flesh to get your money. Some preachers may be well-meaning, but most are sucked in at least a little by it. Even if you have a reasonably good preacher, you've still heard unbiblical promises about prayer all your life. This sets up unreasonable expectations in Christians, which in turn creates unnecessary challenges to faith when the false promises don't pan out.

Now is the time to double-down on God. Fast and pray, for your own peace.
 
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Revelator7

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My son had Cystic Fibrosis and his condition eventually worsened to the point of no hope. I prayed, my wife prayed, our church prayed, and hundreds of people we didn't even know prayed... and it was all useless. My son passed away and god was not there to help at all. I can understand that maybe I was not one of god's favorites, but so many other people who I knew to be good christian's were on board, but it made no difference. I have completely lost my faith and I do not believe in god any longer. It appears that prayer, to me, is a complete waste of time, and what I hear in the secular world is true, god doesn't exist, is also true. I would like to be convinced otherwise, but I just don't see it. If this is what I can expect from the god I served, then I would rather serve Satan because at least he is up front about his intentions.
Psalm 116:15 Precious in the sight of the Lord is the death of his saints.

Isaiah 57:1-2 The righteous perish and no one takes it to heart; the devout are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. Those who walk uprightly enter peace; they find rest as they lie in death.

Why is precious to the Lord that his people die? Because then his people are reunited to God forever and without a body of sin to seperate them from him. God is happy to receive those he loves into his kingdom.

No one takes it to heart, no one understands... Your heart doesn't understand that God has actually given your son eternal life, that he has given him the perfect peace of God for all of eternity. It sounds like your son was a Christian, so I don't doubt that he isn't in heaven. I'm sure he believed in Jesus. Your son is spared from this evil and cruel world. He is free from sickness and disease. Your son in heaven is happy right now. He is with his truest Father in heaven and with the One that spares his life for him.

The grief in your heart is understandable. You miss your son. I have a son too, he's 3. I would be devestated if I had to lose him. We just have to trust God, that he is in control. Remember Abraham... He finally had a son, Issac. Then God told him, even after all the promises about Abraham having family/decendants through Issac, to sacrifice his son. Abraham did everything God told him to do. He was human, he was probably confused and deeply hurt at what he had to do to his son, but Abraham believed God and God accounted him righteous for it for his faith. It was a test for Abraham. In the same way, the death of your son is like a a test in your life. Jesus said "Anyone who loves father or mother son or daughter or wife more than Me is not worthy of Me." I know you're going through a very difficult time right now, but I feel that these words are spiritual life to you. They are hard words but they will keep your soul safe. Your son is in heaven right now. That's paradise! And you will be there in heaven with your son, but you have to not let your son be like an idol in your heart that seperates you from God. For Abraham, his test was that his son would not be the idol that seperates him from God.

Don't give up on God. If God has accepted your son, and has given him a life with no more sorrow and no more tears and no more sickness, then know that awaits you too, where one day you will be with your son in heaven. Right now your son is like the angels in heaven.
 
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My son was a Christian, he believed in god and he believed until the end in god, but I just can not understand why he was taken away. It just seems like all the praying and all of the belief was a complete waste of of time.
So sorry Randy for your loss, I would say I understand but the loss of a child, I'm unfamiliar, I know you must have a big hole in your heart right now, it's ok, your son is with God, happy as can be waiting for you, get on your knees Randy, thank Him for even gracing your son to you in the first place, keep your faith in Jesus brother, you have to keep fighting and be the testament, I can tell you this right now, I had a traumatic experience in life and without Jesus I would not be here to tell you these things, the false spirit wanted my soul bad and I understood none of it, till I was in the middle of it, Thanks be to Jesus my redeemer, to transform me before God and country. I'm telling you Randy without a shadow of doubt, I wouldn't be here to tell you this brother. I'll pray for you. Keep strong.
 
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I can only empathize with the pain you must be suffering right now.

As you're already aware, what you want doesn't always translate to reality. Wanting something to be true doesn't make it so. We all want closure, but often it's something we can't obtain and must learn to go without.

Is God working in a way that's beyond your comprehension? Or does God simply not exist? The community here will do what they can to help you conclude the former. But even if you conclude there is no reason to believe God is real, there are many loving people within this community who will do what they can to help you regardless of your personal views.

I'm an atheist myself, but even I recognize the amount of care this community can provide (even if I don't always agree with popular opinions). And if you ever need a shoulder to lean on, I'm here for you too.
 
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So, basically, you didn't get what you wanted, so God must not exist?

Death and sickness are a part of life on this earth. Nowhere does God say life on earth will be easy, free of problems, free of sickness, free of death. What you're experiencing has happened to countless others, long before you were ever conceived. Yet it didn't stop you from believing in God then. But now that you are experiencing it yourself it matters?
Every day Christians deal with these issues. I've had to deal with them as well. After spending half my life watching my mom suffer she finally died when i was 21. Even worse, she got her illness at her job. Someone else passed their illness onto her.
By the time i was 30 i was diagnosed with health issues myself. They eventually became life-threatening as well. And though i survived i suffered a lot for years. And, in some ways, i'm still having issues from it.

The reality is nothing has changed, except your perception. These sorts of things have been happening for centuries. If God existed before, then He still exists. Just because you don't like or understand the outcome of a situation doesn't change what is. Just because God didn't deliver something He never promised to begin with doesn't mean He doesn't exist.

Prayer is also not a magic lamp we rub and get our wishes fulfilled. If it were i'd be rich, healthy and married. And better looking =P But i'm none of those things. Why? I don't know. But because my world isn't suited to how i want it doesn't mean God doesn't exist. Because i've suffered (physically, mentally, emotionally) doesn't mean God does not exist.
Sometimes things happen for a reason. Sometimes things happen because we live in a fallen world full of sickness and death. It sucks. It can be very painful. But God doesn't say He will prevent these things. Only that He will be there When they happen.

I'm sorry for your experience, i have no kids of my own, so i won't pretend i totally understand.

Sorrow is better than laughter: for by the sadness of the countenance the heart is made better.
(Ecclesiastes 7:3)
 
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Randy, I can't even begin to imagine the pain and heartache that you feel. I have children of my own, and one of them dying would hurt me terribly. I know it's hard for you to believe this, but nothing happens in God's world by mistake. Your son is in such a better place right now, in God's loving embrace. He is no longer in pain. He is happy :) Don't let his death lead you to satan. How you are thinking is exactly what satan wants you to do. Satan wants you to quit relying on God. He wants you to doubt and not believe. I have to say this....I would much rather live my life believing in God and die, only to find out that God doesn't exist, than to live my life not believing, only to die and find out that there IS a God. No one can force you to believe in God. No one can force you to go back to church. But what I want you to do, is to sit somewhere and have a long talk with God. Tell Him just how much you are hurting. Talk to Him. It's even ok to say how mad you are. Just talk to Him. He want's to hear from you. When we shut the door on God, He won't force Himself on us, and we can continue to feel the pain and anger. I hope that you keep the door open my friend.....
 

Dan58

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Its been my experience that God rarely to ever intercedes or interferes with the natural progression of things. Christians are as susceptible to disease and death as everyone else. Its never an easy pill to swallow, but its true. During the apostolic age, the gift of healing was given to establish the faith, but today, nature takes its course. jmo

I hope you won't lose your faith because you didn't get what you want. And I hope you don't presume that your son is worse off now. Faith is trusting that God knows better than us. Sorry for your loss
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Elijah19

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Because you posted this on here, you must truly want a "real," solid reason to believe in God despite what happened to your son.First off, my condolences friend. I am deeply sorry to hear about what has happened. I would ask you to hear me out on a true little story that comes from experience that is exactly like yours... Hopefully this will help you in this matter. Years ago, when a good Christian father like yourself was about the celebrate the birth of his two twin sons, the doctor told him that one of them would die. A heart problem made it impossible for the younger of his two sons to survive beyond a few hours, and any attempted surgery to fix the problem would have a 0% success rate. The father in this true story had lived a hard life, worked his very best, had given his all to God his whole life, and this moment may have been one of his first happy ones. He prayed, naturally, in his religious mindset. And yet God still let the younger son die. They baptized him before death even though it seemed to the father that God was neither present nor caring of the obedient, seemingly useless motion. The man was at the end of his hope, and perhaps the near end of his faith, if not the complete end. In this true story that I am a member of, the man read the Bible, right in the book of Job where the suffering of a righteous man is left unanswered until the end, but with no real explanation... Finally, the man was at his end, and looked around for some sign of hope from a God who seemed dead or nonexistent. There it was. Laughing on the chest of his wife... the other twin son that hadn't died. That man, my father, concluded that he would rather be thankful for what bounty he had been given, the testament to God's continued presence, and rejoice in what he had. He concluded that his son was not gone, but waiting for him on the other side. This idea has given him a life of Hope, knowing that instead of living a life of bitterness in waiting for nothing after a useless existence, he can enjoy Love and Peace with a real future to look forward to! The man hadn't lost anything, but gained all the more...To this day, my father is one of the happiest and best men I know, and he looks forward to meeting my younger twin brother in heaven. This is the story he told me of his faith and my brother. He claims that the reason he is able to keep on being such a strong man for me, my sister, and his wife, is because he has someone far more important who has given him so much more... God. And he would rather meet his son in heaven than live unhappily here and die to a void... He is the strongest man I know. Please be strong for your family now.Lastly, if you wish to say that God is responsible for your son's death, mustn't you also say that he is conversely responsible for his life? Can you be thankful that he had a life and lived it with you for a time? Can you believe that he is not forever gone from you, or would you rather believe he is in darkness faded, just as you would be then, when your bitterness expires in a bang and a whimper. How sad.From the sheer logical perspective, if you are blaming God for being a villain, than how can he not exist if he is actually doing villainous things? I'm not saying that he killed your son, but if you are blaming him for that, than how can you say he doesn't exist? There is a logical fallacy here. Non-existent people can't do things. And if you believe the devil to be better for being straightforward, than you have no right to moralize against God. Added to that, you wouldn't even have an idea of wrong to moralize to God about if he wasn't there, since He invented morality in the first place.Choose what my father chose in this hour of darkness my friend. Choose Hope and Light. You may see your son smile yet, and even better than that the God who gave you everything you still have... your life, wife, son in heaven, the past smiles you shared with him, etc...God bless you,---The Surviving Twin Brother
 

presidente

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I heard a testimony once. A pastor was talking to an atheist. The atheist was very insistent that there was no God. The pastor God a word of knowledge and said something like this,

"You aren't an atheist because of all these intellectual reasons you are telling me. You are an atheist because when you were a child, your mother died, and you are angry at God. You decided that you would not believe in God to get back at him."

The atheist was surprised that he knew that. He hadn't told anyone that.

I think that story is probably fairly common among atheists. Some tragedy strikes and someone angry at God decides to be an atheist.

Before your son died, you knew that there were people in the world who died. If you'd heard the same story about another family, you probably would not have become an atheist. But are you considering atheism to get back at God by not believing in Him?
 
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I heard a testimony once. A pastor was talking to an atheist. The atheist was very insistent that there was no God. The pastor God a word of knowledge and said something like this,

"You aren't an atheist because of all these intellectual reasons you are telling me. You are an atheist because when you were a child, your mother died, and you are angry at God. You decided that you would not believe in God to get back at him."

The atheist was surprised that he knew that. He hadn't told anyone that.

I think that story is probably fairly common among atheists. Some tragedy strikes and someone angry at God decides to be an atheist.

Before your son died, you knew that there were people in the world who died. If you'd heard the same story about another family, you probably would not have become an atheist. But are you considering atheism to get back at God by not believing in Him?
Sorry, but that's just not how it happens. Most people do not choose to become atheist because they're mad at God. They generally sincerely question the validity of his existence and come to the conclusion he doesn't exist themselves.

Sometimes, people do become angry at God shortly before they lose their faith though. But it's not because they're trying to get back at God, but because that anger allows them to question God's existence. It's hard for someone who loves God and allows God to define who they are as a person to even begin to question his existence. But when a person is able to separate God from their own personalities, it allows them to question his existence. And sorrow is one of many ways for this disconnection to happen.

Instead of listening to made up Christian stories, you should actually talk to atheists and ask them why they don't believe in God. And if, by chance, the story you told was true, then it still wouldn't account for most atheists.