A.D.D. CHILD HANDCUFFED !!!

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[video]https://youtu.be/89yo1Pvp5_M[/video]

This Video Shows a Police Officer Handcuffing an 8-Year-Old Boy With a Mental Disorder | Mother Jones

This is getting ridiculous as a grown man who is a police officer handcuffing a little 8 year old boy who has ADD, and also has done the same to another little girl in the same school.

I have dealt with kids who have ADD, ADHD, and Autistic and yes they can get a little rambunctious, rowdy, and even be dangerous around other kids. However they are not so dangerous that restraining them by hands or separating them from the others is not impossible to do.

The families are seeking compensation through the courts for this treatment of their kids, and I believe in the bible when it speaks on discipline and correcting a child but this is going a little to extreme.

What do you all think about this issue ???
 
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Neither was I.
 
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I wasn't there.
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Neither was I.
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Was has being there got to do with anything, as this is a clear abuse of power.

Are you trying to tell me as a grown man you would not be able to restrain an 8 year old child without handcuffing them???

This is just ridiculous and like I said I have dealt with kids with these disabilities, and there is no need for this to have happened.
 
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I still wasn't there, so I can't state what the situation was as you seem to be able to do.
 
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Was has being there got to do with anything, as this is a clear abuse of power.

Are you trying to tell me as a grown man you would not be able to restrain an 8 year old child without handcuffing them???

This is just ridiculous and like I said I have dealt with kids with these disabilities, and there is no need for this to have happened.
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Ken, have you ever tried to get a hand on a cornered wildcat? When my oldest boy was 6 years old, his misdiagnosed as ADD condition manifested itself frequently in a feel no pain rage. If you were not trained in managing that rage, he would seriously injure you. He went through every kindergarten teacher at a relatively large school. We moved him to a private school that was trained in behavior management where he was properly diagnosed, and an education, medication, and mental health plan was developed. I was in the Navy, and we had to move frequently. It usually took a year to convince the school system in every new port that Mom and Dad really knew what was going on. I can understand the school's frustration and the policeman's action because I know (by their actions) that neither were trained in management of mentally ill people. If it had been my son, I would have been a little angry, but I would also be thankful that no one was seriously injured.
 
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Ken, have you ever tried to get a hand on a cornered wildcat? When my oldest boy was 6 years old, his misdiagnosed as ADD condition manifested itself frequently in a feel no pain rage. If you were not trained in managing that rage, he would seriously injure you. He went through every kindergarten teacher at a relatively large school. We moved him to a private school that was trained in behavior management where he was properly diagnosed, and an education, medication, and mental health plan was developed. I was in the Navy, and we had to move frequently. It usually took a year to convince the school system in every new port that Mom and Dad really knew what was going on. I can understand the school's frustration and the policeman's action because I know (by their actions) that neither were trained in management of mentally ill people. If it had been my son, I would have been a little angry, but I would also be thankful that no one was seriously injured.
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Did you miss where I have said twice now that I have handled and taken care of kids who have these disorders ???

I even handled more then one at a time and I could easily restrain them, and the law states that kids can not be handcuffed in order to just settle them down. It can only be done if others lives our in danger, and I am sorry but a trained police officer who by the video looks bigger then me should have easily been able to restrain the child without handcuffs.

I have dealt with these issues personally and not once did it result to needing to restrain them by means of restraints.
 
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We're so proud of you, Ken. But as I may have said before, I wasn't there, and neither were you. Neither you nor I have the slightest idea of all the circumstances.

I do know, however, that by age nine, I had been well taught by an Army Ranger, to be able to disarm most full grown men. We don't know what this kid was like.
 
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Did you miss where I have said twice now that I have handled and taken care of kids who have these disorders ???

I even handled more then one at a time and I could easily restrain them, and the law states that kids can not be handcuffed in order to just settle them down. It can only be done if others lives our in danger, and I am sorry but a trained police officer who by the video looks bigger then me should have easily been able to restrain the child without handcuffs.

I have dealt with these issues personally and not once did it result to needing to restrain them by means of restraints.
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Ken, I could restrain the children too, but like you I am trained to do so. I do know several that require two or more people to do so. Unfortunately the people involved here are not. If you read my last statement you might understand what I am saying. Instead of belittling the people involved here, maybe you should get more involved it teaching policemen and teachers how it is done. With my son, all we had to do was get behind him and pull him into our lap. One teacher who thought she knew more than us, ended up with a broken arm. There were several others who suffered minor injuries.

We spent almost 20 years pushing for the education rights of mentally ill children. Thankfully, today we see the benefits of our efforts.
 
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KennethC said:
[video]https://youtu.be/89yo1Pvp5_M[/video]

This Video Shows a Police Officer Handcuffing an 8-Year-Old Boy With a Mental Disorder | Mother Jones

This is getting ridiculous as a grown man who is a police officer handcuffing a little 8 year old boy who has ADD, and also has done the same to another little girl in the same school.

I have dealt with kids who have ADD, ADHD, and Autistic and yes they can get a little rambunctious, rowdy, and even be dangerous around other kids. However they are not so dangerous that restraining them by hands or separating them from the others is not impossible to do.

The families are seeking compensation through the courts for this treatment of their kids, and I believe in the bible when it speaks on discipline and correcting a child but this is going a little to extreme.

What do you all think about this issue ???
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Man like others said I wasn't there either, but I think this is strait up crazy. Oh Lord help me and that officer, if that was my child and I didn't give them permission for him to do that. I would be in trouble for assault on a L.E.O. Just hearing that boy cry and scream and try to wiggle
out just enrages me. I don't see how this could be seen as acceptable by any parent. I pray I never see my baby son treated like that, for his, mine, and the cops sake.
 
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We're so proud of you, Ken. But as I may have said before, I wasn't there, and neither were you. Neither you nor I have the slightest idea of all the circumstances.

I do know, however, that by age nine, I had been well taught by an Army Ranger, to be able to disarm most full grown men. We don't know what this kid was like.
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May not have been there but the law is the law, and the report says he took a swing at the officer which is common for these kids with this kind of disorder to do. Yet a grown man who weighs over 200 lbs. not being able to restrain an 8 year old little boy is ridiculous to say this could not have been done without restraints.

I had a nephew who was put in karate classes since he was 8 and he always wanted to spar with me, and even though I did not know any karate I still was able to use my size advantage to pen him making his efforts worthless. And we spared for most of our lives even when he was 12 to 15 years old, and I still penned him because of using my size advantage.

There is a phrase that stands true in a fight or sparing session, and that is it doesn't matter who is better as much as it matters who is smarter.
 
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Was has being there got to do with anything, as this is a clear abuse of power.

Are you trying to tell me as a grown man you would not be able to restrain an 8 year old child without handcuffing them???

This is just ridiculous and like I said I have dealt with kids with these disabilities, and there is no need for this to have happened.
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Police officers have been killed by eight-year-olds. Now, obviously, they had a gun when they did so. I do not know what happened other than what your linked article said, and frankly I've grown very distrusting of the vast majority of the media.

So I'm not going to tell you anything. I was not there. Asking someone to make a judgment about events they were not personal witness to, or who were not on a criminal court jury that hears all the evidence, is ridiculous. We can have opinions, and most of us have strong ones, but none of them are worth the electrons irritated to post them.
 
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Man like others said I wasn't there either, but I think this is strait up crazy. Oh Lord help me and that officer, if that was my child and I didn't give them permission for him to do that. I would be in trouble for assault on a L.E.O. Just hearing that boy cry and scream and try to wiggle
out just enrages me. I don't see how this could be seen as acceptable by any parent. I pray I never see my baby son treated like that, for his, mine, and the cops sake.
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Thank you for seeing how wrong this is, and that yes even though we were not there does not excuse being able to see mistreatment of these kids.

Yes they are to have permission from the parents to do any such treatment, even here where I live the schools can not even administer a spanking to an unruly kid unless the parents give permission let alone restrain them in a manner that is against their own policies.

There are better ways to handle these type of kids and if a person does not know how, and are around them constantly then they need to learn instead of just take matters into their own hands.
 
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We're so proud of you, Ken. But as I may have said before, I wasn't there, and neither were you. Neither you nor I have the slightest idea of all the circumstances.

I do know, however, that by age nine, I had been well taught by an Army Ranger, to be able to disarm most full grown men. We don't know what this kid was like.
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Willie, if that full grown man had no pain threshold, you would probably have to seriously injure or kill him to stop. Managing a man in mentally ill rage without injuring the man or yourself requires a different set of skills. Even with the skills, injury is common.

Your comment "I wasn't there" is the proper response for anyone who wasn't there.
 
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Was has being there got to do with anything, as this is a clear abuse of power.
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Is it really 100% clear?

Also, since you mentioned that you have experience, how exactly did you subdue kids who displayed rage, or swung out at you or others?
 
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Ken, I could restrain the children too, but like you I am trained to do so. I do know several that require two or more people to do so. Unfortunately the people involved here are not. If you read my last statement you might understand what I am saying. Instead of belittling the people involved here, maybe you should get more involved it teaching policemen and teachers how it is done. With my son, all we had to do was get behind him and pull him into our lap. One teacher who thought she knew more than us, ended up with a broken arm. There were several others who suffered minor injuries.

We spent almost 20 years pushing for the education rights of mentally ill children. Thankfully, today we see the benefits of our efforts.
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I understand where you are coming from but the thing is that this is a trained police officer who is bigger than I am, who is suppose to be trained in restraining holds. It is also against there policy to restrain with handcuffs just to make them settle down, it has to be a situation where other lives are in danger.

The report says he only took a swing at the officer, which is common with these disabilities and is not life threatening.

I am not belittling anybody just showing how unneeded and unnecessary the approach the office took was....
 
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Police officers have been killed by eight-year-olds. Now, obviously, they had a gun when they did so. I do not know what happened other than what your linked article said, and frankly I've grown very distrusting of the vast majority of the media.

So I'm not going to tell you anything. I was not there. Asking someone to make a judgment about events they were not personal witness to, or who were not on a criminal court jury that hears all the evidence, is ridiculous. We can have opinions, and most of us have strong ones, but none of them are worth the electrons irritated to post them.
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There was no weapon involved, as this was a ADD child having one of his temper fits that is common with this behavior.
The report says he took a swing at the officer which is common in these fits of rage, but it was not any more than that in which getting behind the child and bear hugging them would have been enough.
 
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Hellooo said:
Is it really 100% clear?

Also, since you mentioned that you have experience, how exactly did you subdue kids who displayed rage, or swung out at you or others?
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You get behind them and get them in a bear hug like hold, sitting down or laying down and wrap one leg around theirs to prevent kicking. After a few minutes they almost all the time settle down, but if it doesn't you are to take them in a separate room away from others tell they do settle down.

The whole time talking to them to calm them !!!
 
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It is also against there policy to restrain with handcuffs just to make them settle down, it has to be a situation where other lives are in danger.
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Untrue. Officers are instructed to restrain reasonably anyone who is emotionally or violently out of control, and if that requires handcuffs, rather than rendering incapacitated, it is a preferred method of restraint. You claim to know about restraining mentally ill children, but it appears you know nothing about police protocol, and therefore probably should not be commenting on whether the officer followed it or not.
 
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There was no weapon involved ...
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Until the officer gets the child under control, he has no way of knowing that.

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... as this was a ADD child having one of his temper fits that is common with this behavior. The report says he took a swing at the officer which is common in these fits of rage ...
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Typically (and please remember I'm a licensed counselor who knows these things) preadolescents with true ADD or ADHD do not have violent outbursts. This is obviously more than ADD. It is probably severe Oppositional-Defiant Disorder, and it can get dangerous for any authority figure, particularly a uniformed officer.

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... but it was not any more than that in which getting behind the child and bear hugging them would have been enough.
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... giving the kid an opportunity to go for the gun you pointed out he didn't have. He's shorter and more agile than the typical adult an officer would deal with in the line of duty. It doesn't make sense for the officer to put himself in direct contact with a child acting with extreme anger and violence if he doesn't have to do so. Putting the cuffs on him was perhaps the best answer.

But again, I don't know because I wasn't there, and neither were you.
 
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