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I had one son with ADHD and high functioning autism, and another with ADD. They never had temper tantrums, in or out of our home. If they disobeyed they got spanked. Fortunately, as they were raised with boundaries and knew right from wrong, we didn't have to spank them often, and my daughter, never.
I also worked with two classes of disabled kids, with everything from Prader-Willie Syndrome to autism, developmental delays and physical handicaps. I never had a problem with them in many years. In fact, they constantly sang the songs I taught them, and asked the regular teacher when I was coming in.
I did have one student in an inner city school, who came from a very disturbed environment, who went beserk on me for no reason I could tell. He was attacking the other students, and throwing desks around, at age 6. I lifted him from behind and carried him to the principal's office, where he was sent away never to return, since he was out of the catchment area of the school. I was glad I was a parent, and I could recognize his severe mental illness and do what was necessary to protect him and the other students. But that was once out of 20 years of teaching.
I am not sure why people are fighting about the police. I know in Canada we respect our police, even though there are probably a few bad apples in the bunch. I don't like the baiting that has been going on in this thread!
I also worked with two classes of disabled kids, with everything from Prader-Willie Syndrome to autism, developmental delays and physical handicaps. I never had a problem with them in many years. In fact, they constantly sang the songs I taught them, and asked the regular teacher when I was coming in.
I did have one student in an inner city school, who came from a very disturbed environment, who went beserk on me for no reason I could tell. He was attacking the other students, and throwing desks around, at age 6. I lifted him from behind and carried him to the principal's office, where he was sent away never to return, since he was out of the catchment area of the school. I was glad I was a parent, and I could recognize his severe mental illness and do what was necessary to protect him and the other students. But that was once out of 20 years of teaching.
I am not sure why people are fighting about the police. I know in Canada we respect our police, even though there are probably a few bad apples in the bunch. I don't like the baiting that has been going on in this thread!
As a person who has ADHD, I kinda lean toward the officer in this case.
He did what he had to do to prevent the kids from harming him, themselves or others. Now, I will say that if it turns out that the officer broke the law and/or violated his department's policies, then let him answer for that.
However, I am quite tired of the police getting a bad rap, especially because there are people who stand to gain by keeping the anti-LE pot stirred.
The media seems to thrive on "guilty until proven innocent".
He did what he had to do to prevent the kids from harming him, themselves or others. Now, I will say that if it turns out that the officer broke the law and/or violated his department's policies, then let him answer for that.
However, I am quite tired of the police getting a bad rap, especially because there are people who stand to gain by keeping the anti-LE pot stirred.
The media seems to thrive on "guilty until proven innocent".
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Well all I can say then is I thank God that you have not dealt with that, as that is rare for them not to have those episodes.
Because with taking care of kids with those disabilities the majority of them did have these episodes, and it was actually worse when around others with disabilities. Especially around that of autistic as the two did not clash well.
Because with taking care of kids with those disabilities the majority of them did have these episodes, and it was actually worse when around others with disabilities. Especially around that of autistic as the two did not clash well.
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A.D.D. has nothing to do with bad parenting and is classified as a mental disorder which is why they have treatments for it.
We are not talking about a child just being disobedient here, as I have my kids as well as taken care of others kids that have those disabilities and you can clearly tell the difference between one who is just being disobedient to one who has ADD, ADHD, or is Autistic.
Yes I do put them all in the same category as they all are mental disorders, and they have to go through more then jut medication. They have special classes for them to be in to help them as most of the ones I have been around had learning disability as well do to this, and they go to counselling.
By your response here and those who gave you likes obviously do not know and have never been around these disorders for a length of time in order to realize there is a difference between them and just being disobedient. And how you discipline them is different then normal kids without disorders.
We are not talking about a child just being disobedient here, as I have my kids as well as taken care of others kids that have those disabilities and you can clearly tell the difference between one who is just being disobedient to one who has ADD, ADHD, or is Autistic.
Yes I do put them all in the same category as they all are mental disorders, and they have to go through more then jut medication. They have special classes for them to be in to help them as most of the ones I have been around had learning disability as well do to this, and they go to counselling.
By your response here and those who gave you likes obviously do not know and have never been around these disorders for a length of time in order to realize there is a difference between them and just being disobedient. And how you discipline them is different then normal kids without disorders.
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Kenneth Kenneth Kenneth...
I understand you have a kid with this disability but stop passing on me as if I don't know what I am talking about.
I have taken care of these kids and most of them did have these outburst, and it was not do to bad parenting as I seen another say. Plus I also seen Angela mention she has kids with these disorders including one with high function autism, which means they still have the ability to no write from wrong and function in society.
However that is just a small spectrum of autism as that is the only version of it that has that ability, others have to be dealt with hands on with as much attention as possible as it is very time consuming dealing with how they can change from one minute to the next. Plus they do not comprehend things all that well and have issues communicating with others.
You do know also and the others who think it is just bad parenting and not a mental disorder that kids with ADD and ADHD qualify to be in Special Olympic's ???
lol like i said i was diagnosed with ADD in the 4th grade. Didnt take any medicine for it and the only special classes I took were AG(academically gifted) in elementary and middle school followed by AP classes in high school. Yeah I really needed help. Or I just needed self control and self discipline. I mean my roommate has add...he takes adderall at exam times to help him focus but not the rest of the year. You seem to be part of the problem of parents just doping up their kids until they become manageable little zombies instead of treating them like they are kids.
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You do realize those AP classes do not follow the normal teaching curriculum as the standard classrooms ?
They are simplified teachings so that it makes it easier for kids with disabilities to understand, plus the teachers in those classes are suppose to spend one on one time with each student to help and guide them in understanding the assignment. Your standard classes do not get that one on one attention.
You are wrong there as I do not believe in just doping kids, but not all are like you who I guess was high functioning. Others do need all that extra attention and help and it is not just as simple as bad parenting. Like I said I have 3 kids of my own and also took care of a number of others, and when you do this you can clearly tell the difference between just standard disobedience and the outbursts from a child with mental challenges.
I am glad and thank God you did not need the extra help, but this is not the case for everybody.
Like I said for an example I had two at one time, one being ADHD and the other Autistic, and you could not keep them in the same room for more then 5 minutes without a skirmish happening between them.
Like I said in post #71, do you know that ADD, ADHD, and Autism all qualify to be in Special Olympic's ?
That would not be the case if it was so simple as just the difference between good or bad parenting..........
Lol you might need some special education classes kenneth. AP courses in high school are courses that ear you college credit while you are still in High school. So if being smart is a disability thats the only way what you said is even close to correct. https://apstudent.collegeboard.org/apcourse
And as far as ADD in the special olympics? Your etelling me completely normal people who cant pay attention can go crush all these other people in getting gold? That sounds likely. UNless youre hoping they start the event and then get distracted by something shiny so the people the games were designed for actually win.
In all seriousness at this point I just think you have a complete and fundamental misunderstanding of what ADD or ADHD actually is
And as far as ADD in the special olympics? Your etelling me completely normal people who cant pay attention can go crush all these other people in getting gold? That sounds likely. UNless youre hoping they start the event and then get distracted by something shiny so the people the games were designed for actually win.
In all seriousness at this point I just think you have a complete and fundamental misunderstanding of what ADD or ADHD actually is
So many experts here. I pray that if you are reading this discussion and have a child who has been diagnosed ADD or ADHD, you will seek a qualified professional. Misdiagnosis is common, and improper treatment can have permanent negative results. I speak from experience, not knee jerk reactions of many well intentioned Christians here.
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Well I can agree with you here because there are some who claim they have been diagnosed with such things as ADD or ADHD when they really don't have it. Especially when you think it is just a matter of good or bad parenting that determines this.
If ADD and ADHD was just that simple as bad parenting then they would not be listed as qualifiers for Special Olympic's !!!
As for the AP Willie-T and Nautilus you two must have a different understanding by where you live on what that means.
For the AP classes that are where I live are for advanced placement of kids who need a lot more hands on help with learning and understanding their assignments. They have nothing to do with college courses hear !!!
We have other courses for that here, but those with learning disabilities such as ADD, ADHD, and Autistic are not placed in the normal classrooms with other kids. They are put in classes with kids with the same disorders to get the special attention and hands on help they would not get from the normal classrooms.
Don't blame me for ADD being allowed in Special Olympic's if you feel that is wrong, blame those who run it, for they do qualify and I have seen a number of them as I went to those events when I took care of these kids.
If ADD and ADHD was just that simple as bad parenting then they would not be listed as qualifiers for Special Olympic's !!!
As for the AP Willie-T and Nautilus you two must have a different understanding by where you live on what that means.
For the AP classes that are where I live are for advanced placement of kids who need a lot more hands on help with learning and understanding their assignments. They have nothing to do with college courses hear !!!
We have other courses for that here, but those with learning disabilities such as ADD, ADHD, and Autistic are not placed in the normal classrooms with other kids. They are put in classes with kids with the same disorders to get the special attention and hands on help they would not get from the normal classrooms.
Don't blame me for ADD being allowed in Special Olympic's if you feel that is wrong, blame those who run it, for they do qualify and I have seen a number of them as I went to those events when I took care of these kids.
I don't have any prejudice, bias OR bigotry towards cops. One of my friends is a cop. BUT as we all know, cops are corrupt and take the law into their own hands much of the time. Even YOU have to admit that, VW..
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You seem to enjoy being proven clueless. Why, I can't imagine. Below are two links that list the intellectual disabilities that qualify a person to participate in Special Olympics.
Special Olympics: About Intellectual Disabilities
Special Olympics: Other Intellectual Disabilities
The only indication of ADD in either of those lists is in association with Williams Syndrome (found in the second link), a developmental disability that affects physical, emotional, and personality aspects of a child. ADD alone does not qualify one for Special Olympics.
In fact, most ADD suffers are intelligent beyond their years, which contributes to their ADD because they easily become bored in a classroom of their peers. As Nautilus said of himself, many ADD suffers find relief not in medication, but in gifted-student programs.
When are you going to stop holding yourself up as the "expert" in all things that you clearly are not? I've had six hours of Masters level child and adolescent psychology and wouldn't begin to hold myself out to know what you claim to know. I had to look it up.
Are you so desperate not to be who you really are you go out on a limb to attempt to prove it, and then saw it off beneath you? When you will you learn not to like the pain of falling on your ***?
Special Olympics: About Intellectual Disabilities
Special Olympics: Other Intellectual Disabilities
The only indication of ADD in either of those lists is in association with Williams Syndrome (found in the second link), a developmental disability that affects physical, emotional, and personality aspects of a child. ADD alone does not qualify one for Special Olympics.
In fact, most ADD suffers are intelligent beyond their years, which contributes to their ADD because they easily become bored in a classroom of their peers. As Nautilus said of himself, many ADD suffers find relief not in medication, but in gifted-student programs.
When are you going to stop holding yourself up as the "expert" in all things that you clearly are not? I've had six hours of Masters level child and adolescent psychology and wouldn't begin to hold myself out to know what you claim to know. I had to look it up.
Are you so desperate not to be who you really are you go out on a limb to attempt to prove it, and then saw it off beneath you? When you will you learn not to like the pain of falling on your ***?
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