Bernie on Abortion: ‘Anytime, Anywhere.’ Why He’s Evil....
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I agree with you and Utah . I will say though that there are many ways in which to say one thing. Tact goes a long long way and it is an art to get ones point across in a graceful Christlike manner. Like I said, there are many ways to say the one thing we want to say. If we dont care how we are received, what good is what we said to the one whom we convey it to?
Its convenient to dismiss our approach to one characteristic of ourselves or another ie geography,upbringing, etc,.....that way we leave ourselves an escape goat instead of trying to change and surrendering to acting as Christ would have us act! The real truth of the matter is we are supposed to be NEW CREATIONS IN CHRIST. That is the reality of it right? Choosing ones words wisely has never gone out of style.
I think we all grow in grace if we surrender to it AND I also think that if we hesitated more frequently before responding, perhaps different perceptions would be formed . Dont claim Christ if you wont continue to work on controlling your tongue. Its pretty cut and dry! The tongue is the smallest weapon and the MOST damaging. We have the Lord to help us. That is HUGE!!
There will always be that opportunity to type what we want to say but it is forever there online(more importantly God is recording every idle word
) to see by all when we jump the gun and act like a heathen
I am preaching to the choir on this because I think we all (me included)need a friendly reminder to walk according to the spirit therefore demonstrating the fruit and to NOT walk in the flesh demonstrating the way of the world. $00.02
Heres some scriptures for us all to meditate on. Gods truth is the renewing of our minds. Praise God!
James 1:19
My beloved brothers, understand this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger,
Proverbs 10:19
Sin is not ended by multiplying words, but the prudent hold their tongues.
Proverbs 17:27
The one who has knowledge uses words with restraint, and whoever has understanding is even-tempered.
Proverbs 29:20
Do you see someone who speaks in haste? There is more hope for a fool than for them.
Its convenient to dismiss our approach to one characteristic of ourselves or another ie geography,upbringing, etc,.....that way we leave ourselves an escape goat instead of trying to change and surrendering to acting as Christ would have us act! The real truth of the matter is we are supposed to be NEW CREATIONS IN CHRIST. That is the reality of it right? Choosing ones words wisely has never gone out of style.
I think we all grow in grace if we surrender to it AND I also think that if we hesitated more frequently before responding, perhaps different perceptions would be formed . Dont claim Christ if you wont continue to work on controlling your tongue. Its pretty cut and dry! The tongue is the smallest weapon and the MOST damaging. We have the Lord to help us. That is HUGE!!
There will always be that opportunity to type what we want to say but it is forever there online(more importantly God is recording every idle word
) to see by all when we jump the gun and act like a heathenI am preaching to the choir on this because I think we all (me included)need a friendly reminder to walk according to the spirit therefore demonstrating the fruit and to NOT walk in the flesh demonstrating the way of the world. $00.02
Heres some scriptures for us all to meditate on. Gods truth is the renewing of our minds. Praise God!
James 1:19
My beloved brothers, understand this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak, and slow to anger,
Proverbs 10:19
Sin is not ended by multiplying words, but the prudent hold their tongues.
Proverbs 17:27
The one who has knowledge uses words with restraint, and whoever has understanding is even-tempered.
Proverbs 29:20
Do you see someone who speaks in haste? There is more hope for a fool than for them.
I like what you've shared, my Brother. For the record, I don't need excuses for my abrasiveness; I identify quite well with Jesus overturning the tables in righteous indignation. I'm not coming at you with such abrasiveness now, nor do I ever want to, I'm just sharing.
They are here for a reason. Its part of our sanctification process... or maybe they are a thorn? I can see how some people would make a great thorn cant you? LOL
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you should rethink this...
since you just joined in this discussion and since unlike some others here you don't appear overtly hostile at the moment...i am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and present you with a reasoned defense of my view...
first...it has been the consistent teaching of scripture and the faithful christian church throughout its history that we are not to be hesitant in 'judging' that false religions do not lead to salvation...never has a christian been prohibited from 'judging' that pagans aren't saved...atheists aren't saved...mormons aren't saved...and so on...
...so far so good?
secondly...it has been the consistent teaching of scripture and the faithful christian church throughout its history that various beliefs or behaviors or ideologies can disqualify a nominally 'christian' churchgoer from being considered a true christian...see for example john's very plain statement in his second letter that those who believe that christ did not come in the flesh are antichrists...or paul's statement in first corinthians that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God...
so in principle the idea of disqualifying beliefs or behaviors or ideologies is scriptural and orthodox and should not even be controversial... the only question would be in practice which modern beliefs and behaviors and ideologies should be considered deviant enough from the gospel of christ to be disqualifying...
in reality this has only become controversial in modern times because factionalism has allowed for people to simply find another church permissive enough to tolerate them...leading to a worldly ecumenical concept of 'christianity' in which just about anything goes...and because much of the church has become afraid to take a spiritual stand or to disfellowship anyone...
since you just joined in this discussion and since unlike some others here you don't appear overtly hostile at the moment...i am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and present you with a reasoned defense of my view...
first...it has been the consistent teaching of scripture and the faithful christian church throughout its history that we are not to be hesitant in 'judging' that false religions do not lead to salvation...never has a christian been prohibited from 'judging' that pagans aren't saved...atheists aren't saved...mormons aren't saved...and so on...
...so far so good?
secondly...it has been the consistent teaching of scripture and the faithful christian church throughout its history that various beliefs or behaviors or ideologies can disqualify a nominally 'christian' churchgoer from being considered a true christian...see for example john's very plain statement in his second letter that those who believe that christ did not come in the flesh are antichrists...or paul's statement in first corinthians that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God...
so in principle the idea of disqualifying beliefs or behaviors or ideologies is scriptural and orthodox and should not even be controversial... the only question would be in practice which modern beliefs and behaviors and ideologies should be considered deviant enough from the gospel of christ to be disqualifying...
in reality this has only become controversial in modern times because factionalism has allowed for people to simply find another church permissive enough to tolerate them...leading to a worldly ecumenical concept of 'christianity' in which just about anything goes...and because much of the church has become afraid to take a spiritual stand or to disfellowship anyone...
We agree on both points 1 and 2, but point 2 only in principal. There are enough qualifiers on the second point that we may not agree, if that makes sense.
You used a extreme example, sexual immorality in the form of homosexuality. I don't know many Christians who would disagree with that.
But your going to tell me that a man who says that abortion is wrong but won't seek to change the law is going to hell?
And what type of behavior, outside of the extremes that are easy to call, would you deem as something that you would like to make a judgement as to who is going to hell and who isn't?
I think your moving into a the slippery slope area.
And what about when Jesus said He and the Father judges?
What does that mean to you?
You used a extreme example, sexual immorality in the form of homosexuality. I don't know many Christians who would disagree with that.
But your going to tell me that a man who says that abortion is wrong but won't seek to change the law is going to hell?
And what type of behavior, outside of the extremes that are easy to call, would you deem as something that you would like to make a judgement as to who is going to hell and who isn't?
I think your moving into a the slippery slope area.
And what about when Jesus said He and the Father judges?
What does that mean to you?
I was interested to hear your response; even if I may not agree, I hope, I think, my mind is open, to something I may have missed. Also, I want to hear what a person who is more formally educated about the bible then me (I mean, that sincerely, not sarcastically). But certainly if you feel you don't want to post here, I can understand and respect that.
Blessings.
Blessings.