well the military is kind of necessary.....and protecting our country is kind of important. as much as I hate war, I do understand that sometimes it is necessary. warfare takes a huge toll on our soldiers and they should be well taken care ofaaaa when they come home. a lot of people here like to call me a liberal, tho I'm far from it.. liberals were the ones who spit on our soldiers when they came back home from Vietnam. its not that hard to take care of our veterans, only they would rather spend millions of day on unnecessary things like plastic forks and spoons
Bernie Sanders on veterans.
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Should be pointed out that Socialists like the Military, because the Military of Socialists Countries is how they stay in power. Should not be surprised that Sanders supports the Military right?
the leaders of dozens of European countries with social democracies don't stay in power by virtue of the military. they get voted in, and re-elected, because a democracy that primarily concerns itself with social justice and distributing the taxed wealth of it's citizenship back among it's citizenship has merits. Sanders didn't get to be the senator from Vermont because of the Vermont militia. he got voted in. and re-elected. and nationally, he's actually pretty popular, across party lines, and especially among youth and minorities -- people who aren't likely to have been propagandized by Fox or MSNBC.
i care about him, because if there is any "anti-establishment" candidate who has a chance of winning at all, it's him.
IMHO, the thing that tears the country apart is ignorance, deception and propaganda (i'm looking at you, FoxNews), and the politics of hate & fear (i'm looking at you, Beck, Imus, Trump & Limbaugh). a government that serves it's people instead of itself doesn't "tear the country apart" -- and that's what social democracy is. you may have to set aside the mistaken idea that christian = republican, and all the association of certain words with hatred & fear that right-wing pundits have drilled into you to see it.
i care because when i look at American politics, it seems pretty clear to me that the right-wing has been gaming & playing Christians since at least the early 90's, and a whole lot of us have bought it hook, line and sinker, and sold our votes without any question.
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Often military service is very adrenaline based and intense... folks have structure and focus on important goals ..basically they have purpose in life and satisfy a important part of why we feel we are on this earth..when they get out they lose much of this sense of purpose and hope... and I would say are treated with very little respect by the liberal forces in our society ...like Bernie sanders... many liberals will not even hire Vets ...Bernie Sanders don't care about our vets anymore than he cares about the babies being killed in these abortion mills...Sanders is part of the problem ..not the solution.
it disturbs me how the republican party has branded itself as "the christian conservative party" since .. when? Jerry Fallwell? and every single republican candidate makes some token gesture at supporting a Christian issue, whether they will ever vote that way or not. it's just taken for granted among believers in America that you don't have any other choice than to be a republican. it's hollow and see-through, in my opinion.
and i'm not a democrat or a republican or a green or a libertarian or anything - this kind of disingenuousness among R's, and especially the way they've carried themselves over the last 8 years or so, just makes me lean farther away from them in particular - not necessarily leaning 'toward' any democrat, but if there's only two choices and i know nothing else, i'm inclined to vote against a republican just because they make such a poor, duplicitous impression on me. i don't think any of them are sincere.
Sanders seems nothing if not sincere. Ron Paul was the same way. and i do support a lot of what he's for, though certainly not all. i have a much easier time backing someone like that than what's very likely a charlatan, and economically, i think we have to be pretty daft to still believe in 'trickle down' or that the RNC has any method for boosting the economy other than going to war. i'll take a president who's amenable to gay rights but who will bust up trusts, do his best to keep us out of war, and put tax dollars out of corporate pockets & back into programs that serve taxpayers. i think that's a fair tradeoff, and a better one than someone who will say on the campaign trail they're anti-abortion and pro-heterosexual marriage, but ain't gonna do anything about it and will just tank the economy again, reverse any small good that's been done to the healthcare system and send us to war.
i know that makes me a really, really small minority among American Christians - but for all those reasons, Sanders is the only candidate i like these days.
does that make me "worse than a liberal" ??
don't care. that's my conscience.
and i'm not a democrat or a republican or a green or a libertarian or anything - this kind of disingenuousness among R's, and especially the way they've carried themselves over the last 8 years or so, just makes me lean farther away from them in particular - not necessarily leaning 'toward' any democrat, but if there's only two choices and i know nothing else, i'm inclined to vote against a republican just because they make such a poor, duplicitous impression on me. i don't think any of them are sincere.
Sanders seems nothing if not sincere. Ron Paul was the same way. and i do support a lot of what he's for, though certainly not all. i have a much easier time backing someone like that than what's very likely a charlatan, and economically, i think we have to be pretty daft to still believe in 'trickle down' or that the RNC has any method for boosting the economy other than going to war. i'll take a president who's amenable to gay rights but who will bust up trusts, do his best to keep us out of war, and put tax dollars out of corporate pockets & back into programs that serve taxpayers. i think that's a fair tradeoff, and a better one than someone who will say on the campaign trail they're anti-abortion and pro-heterosexual marriage, but ain't gonna do anything about it and will just tank the economy again, reverse any small good that's been done to the healthcare system and send us to war.
i know that makes me a really, really small minority among American Christians - but for all those reasons, Sanders is the only candidate i like these days.
does that make me "worse than a liberal" ??
don't care. that's my conscience.
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are you saying that because you lump him into a class called "liberals" that you attach every bad connotation you can imagine to, or because of his record?
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/how-bernie-sanders-fought-for-our-veterans-119708
^ is that article accurate?
or is this one accurate, which reports that support among veterans is a major reason that he polls as well as he does?
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2015/06/27/bernie-sanders-surge-partly-fueled-veterans/e1qNTpzFpIaoxIGKygKa9J/story.html
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/07/how-bernie-sanders-fought-for-our-veterans-119708
^ is that article accurate?
or is this one accurate, which reports that support among veterans is a major reason that he polls as well as he does?
https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2015/06/27/bernie-sanders-surge-partly-fueled-veterans/e1qNTpzFpIaoxIGKygKa9J/story.html
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I agree that Sanders says what he intends to do if elected, however, he IS A CONFIRMED SOCIALIST, not just a Progressive Liberal..............reason enough to disqualify him for the Presidency in my opinion, as Socialistic beliefs do not reflect our Constitutional rights.
Stalin was quite honest as to what he would do..............wouldn't want him as President.
Mao? Same response.............he laid it all out in his Little Red Book.
Stalin was quite honest as to what he would do..............wouldn't want him as President.
Mao? Same response.............he laid it all out in his Little Red Book.
For Bernie I'd say the socialist/communist point sticks well lol. He's has the most leftist voting record in the Senate after all for a reason. It's official even, that's not just a rightist pejorative to call him a socialist or leftist at all.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357
Kinda funny the anti-establishment favorites are all long-time famous peoples. Trump and Bernie debate would be more raw than Hillary and Trump though. Even if neither is nominated they should do that one just cause the contrast is sharpest it be a good debate.
For Bernie himself he's all right. I can see his place in the DNC primaries, frankly he's the only one that makes it anything of a debate even. Hillary vs Martin O'Malley? I mean come on, there is no show there without Bernie. Sanders shows you the more extreme and young factions emerging in the Democrat/leftist camps, lol whilst ironically he's one of the oldest candidates. Hillary represents the elite establishment of the leftist factions as seen by many of her agreements with the establishment Republicans over the years. Not on little stuff either, but the best line of attack against her is her vote with the GOPers on the Iraq War.
Sanders has disappointed me with the last DNC debate with his foreign policy ideas to that end though. See Sanders rightly plays up the fact he voted against war, and indeed he did and it was prudent. Nonetheless in the debate Sanders polices and ideas in the debate amount to basically continuing the war and even increasing it in a bad way. In fact his sentiment and ideas are the same as some of the establishment GOPers running. Really turned me off to Sanders.
Rand Paul is actually only one calling to end America's involvement in these bad foreign affairs and get us out of war. Then again I suppose Rand Paul has about as good a chance of Bernie as being the nominee. That also would be an awesome debate match up though. Just like Bernie vs. Trump be the most extreme debate between American-style liberalism and absolutism; Bernie vs. Rand Paul be an exciting debate between the two figures to the extreme-most Senators of US liberalism and conservatism.
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/bernard_sanders/400357
Kinda funny the anti-establishment favorites are all long-time famous peoples. Trump and Bernie debate would be more raw than Hillary and Trump though. Even if neither is nominated they should do that one just cause the contrast is sharpest it be a good debate.
For Bernie himself he's all right. I can see his place in the DNC primaries, frankly he's the only one that makes it anything of a debate even. Hillary vs Martin O'Malley? I mean come on, there is no show there without Bernie. Sanders shows you the more extreme and young factions emerging in the Democrat/leftist camps, lol whilst ironically he's one of the oldest candidates. Hillary represents the elite establishment of the leftist factions as seen by many of her agreements with the establishment Republicans over the years. Not on little stuff either, but the best line of attack against her is her vote with the GOPers on the Iraq War.
Sanders has disappointed me with the last DNC debate with his foreign policy ideas to that end though. See Sanders rightly plays up the fact he voted against war, and indeed he did and it was prudent. Nonetheless in the debate Sanders polices and ideas in the debate amount to basically continuing the war and even increasing it in a bad way. In fact his sentiment and ideas are the same as some of the establishment GOPers running. Really turned me off to Sanders.
Rand Paul is actually only one calling to end America's involvement in these bad foreign affairs and get us out of war. Then again I suppose Rand Paul has about as good a chance of Bernie as being the nominee. That also would be an awesome debate match up though. Just like Bernie vs. Trump be the most extreme debate between American-style liberalism and absolutism; Bernie vs. Rand Paul be an exciting debate between the two figures to the extreme-most Senators of US liberalism and conservatism.
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Yea the evil that the left supports is very evident and should be especially apparent to Christians who believe in morality ...Im not sure the fact that Sanders is a known socialist and supports every evil in our society, is a positive in some way? Is a little confusing to me? He in no way cares about vets or the good of our society...