Bloodbath in Gaza

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Atwood

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Palestine is a land which, like it or not, God promised to the children of Israel. It is not even the Israelis to give away and it is certainly not the Palestinians to take.
I concede that Israel is currently not living for her God as she was commanded but nonetheless this land belongs to God's people.
the existence of Israel as a nation is testimony to the truth of Gods word and His enduring promises.
our leaders should take heed of God's warning, "I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” Gen 12:3
unless of course Esanta wants to reinterpret this verse.
I pretty much agree with you P[censored]one.

However, the land of Israel in Ezekiel after Israel's return does not include anything on the East side of the the Jordan River (which was historically part of Israel). The Palestinian Mandate included what is today Israel & Jordan. So Jordan is already a Palestinian state, with over half the mandate territory. So it would make sense to move all the Islamics to the East side of Jordan.

As to Israel's not living as it should, I think that Israel, most incredibly, is part of the world wide holocaust vs babies.
 
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Israel is a tyrant to protect herself.

Let me clarify here...those who make these statements about Israel and all the atrocities done by Israel?

They want all jews dead.

Israel is secular and anti-christian but I have severe issues with bullies....those who want Israel dead, and I mean completely dead.

I have slightly more issues with people who think they can usher in the End Times by works of man.

Israel needs protection.

This conflict will not end until Jesus comes back.
 

Atwood

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This conflict will not end until Jesus comes back.
Good morning SiM,

While I am usually opposed to "newspaper exegesis,"
surely the return of Israel to its land is a sign to this generation that we are moving towards the revival of God's work with Israel, and the completion of Dan's 70 sevens (weeks) in Dan 9.

So, let's keep looking up. There is this crown for loving His appearing. I think the first thing that will get our attention is this incredibly sweet trumpet music: "The trumpet shall sound!"
 
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I'm gonna go out there with a "if it were me" statement, though it's not my style. I think if Israel should do anything different, it's these 2 things:
1. Quit announcing anything to the Palestinians where they're gonna bomb for the sake of civilians.
2. Drive all Palestinians off their land immediately along with their media friends..... no excuses.

IMO, it's time for Israel to roll up their sleeves & do it.
 
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didymos

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Good morning SiM,

While I am usually opposed to "newspaper exegesis,"
surely the return of Israel to its land is a sign to this generation that we are moving towards the revival of God's work with Israel, and the completion of Dan's 70 sevens (weeks) in Dan 9.

So, let's keep looking up. There is this crown for loving His appearing. I think the first thing that will get our attention is this incredibly sweet trumpet music: "The trumpet shall sound!"
'... and the dead shall be raised?'(1 Corinthians 15:52)
Good news for all the murdered palestinians. :rolleyes:
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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I doubt this is the case. The Israelis I know are in support of a peaceful solution, but they also realize that there isn't a whole lot of peaceful negotiating that can be done with a militant group whose sole mission is to exterminate the Israelis and wipe them off the face of the earth.

Prime Minister Netanyahu is in a bind because of how unpopular the conflict is, and also due to the impossibility of any compromise being reached. There can't be a peaceful end to this because one side does not want a peaceful end. It's as simple as that, so while some of the Israelis may not like this ongoing conflict in Gaza, I think the majority realize that there is no way around it. Israels neighbors have been less than kind and they certainly don't appreciate their presence in the world... they've been trying to kill them off since the end of World War II, and even long before then.

Who can fault Netanyahu for protecting his people in the face of adversity such as this? That's what he believes he is doing and I don't see what else he could do to be proactive in peace keeping and protecting his people. It's sad that there has to be any bloodshed at all, but it can't be helped. Israel has to be strong for this.
a knesset channel poll from a few days ago reported that 63% of israelis support a ground operation in the gaza strip...with 27% opposed... 65% of israelis also oppose another ceasefire...with only 27% supporting...

of course israelis would prefer a peaceful solution...but they have come to overwhelmingly reject the notion of agreeing to another ceasefire for hamas to violate a few months later...the general opinion of the israeli public is that there can be no 'peaceful solution' as long as hamas is in the picture...and they are just about fed up enough that netanyahu may no longer be prime minister if he doesn't listen and follow through on debilitating hamas...
 
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RachelBibleStudent

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The best solution for Israel is to occupy Gaza and the West Bank again. Gaza has turned into a terrorist haven for attacks since they handed it over. They had their chance to live in peace, they clearly don't want peace.
i don't know if this is such a good idea...occupations in that part of the world are costly both in terms of money and in human life...and there is often more bloodshed during the occupation than there was during the conflict that resulted in the occupation...
 

PennEd

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There has never been in all history a nation called palestine. This is an invention of modern times. When the region was broken up, a large swath of land was given to muslim "palestinians". It is called Jordan. THAT is where these hateful people should be forced to go. But I must say, iy is fascinating to watch Scripture come to life right before our eyes. Muslims are slaughtering thousands by the month all over the world, yet the nations are focused on, and demonstrating their hate of the Jews, and Israel, for defending itself from rocket barrages into it's cities. Simply amazing!!! That's how you know satan is in these people's heart. Even so called christians here.
 
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'... and the dead shall be raised?'(1 Corinthians 15:52)
Good news for all the murdered palestinians. :rolleyes:
Murdered by Hamas...Yassar Arafat....and all the arab nations who forced the palistinians into Israel from Syria and Jordan.
 
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There has never been in all history a nation called palestine. This is an invention of modern times. When the region was broken up, a large swath of land was given to muslim "palestinians". It is called Jordan. THAT is where these hateful people should be forced to go. But I must say, iy is fascinating to watch Scripture come to life right before our eyes. Muslims are slaughtering thousands by the month all over the world, yet the nations are focused on, and demonstrating their hate of the Jews, and Israel, for defending itself from rocket barrages into it's cities. Simply amazing!!! That's how you know satan is in these people's heart. Even so called christians here.
The only thing I would disagree with here is that the palestinians are hateful.

Dupes? Pawns? Abused?

Yes.

They are caught between those who hate Israel and Israel trying to defend themselves. Their leadership is, well, terrorists and always has been. I am not sure if they are responsible for their leadership or not.
 
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didymos

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Murdered by Hamas...Yassar Arafat....and all the arab nations who forced the palistinians into Israel from Syria and Jordan.

What? Palestine was empty before the jews 'settled' there? No wonder they wanted it. :rolleyes:
 
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There has never been in all history a nation called palestine. This is an invention of modern times. When the region was broken up, a large swath of land was given to muslim "palestinians". It is called Jordan. THAT is where these hateful people should be forced to go. But I must say, iy is fascinating to watch Scripture come to life right before our eyes. Muslims are slaughtering thousands by the month all over the world, yet the nations are focused on, and demonstrating their hate of the Jews, and Israel, for defending itself from rocket barrages into it's cities. Simply amazing!!! That's how you know satan is in these people's heart. Even so called christians here.
It's quite ironic that you're defending 'Israel', because the majority of the Israeli people do not agree with their government's actions, and in fact the vast majority of the Jewish public believe Palestine deserve their own state.

It's also rather ironic that you use the argument that Palestine doesn't exist, because until recently, neither did Israel. If we're getting technical, Palestine was an Ottoman state.

The real catalyst for the conflict between Jews and Palestinians was the Franco-Syrian war. Shortly before that war, Arab King Faisal led a revolt against the remnants of the Ottoman Empire and captured Damascus, instating a central Arab government for the governing of the remnants of the breaking Ottoman Empire. The French conspired in Europe and made Syria a French mandate, and Faisal almost immediately pushed for Syria to become an Arab state independent of France, with the US's backing. Of course, the French wouldn't have it and eventually the two ended up in conflict.

The French defeated Faisal, forced him out and many citizens had to flee to Iraq and other middle-Eastern states, while the British made Faisal King of Iraq. Obviously at this point in time, the state of Israel had not been founded and the Jews where as much 'homeless' as the Palestinians.

Effectively, the Jewish-Palestine conflict began because their land was stolen by Western governments, and instead of the two recognizing their mutual oppression, they fought over the land, mostly because the British seemed intent on dishonoring their former recognition of Faisal's status as a middle-eastern leader and eventually sided with the Jews, assassinating prominent Arab leaders. The Americans where nowhere to be found, content to say nothing.

Once world war 2 started, there was some reconciliation between Jews and Palestinians, if only for the British government's ends, when the Jews and Palestinian Arabs actually fought together in combined regiments under British rule against the Nazi's in Northern Africa. There had also been a fairly positive response among many Arabs and Jews to the proposition of a partitioned Palestine, but many on either side also found it to unfairly favour the Jewish in regards to the acreage of land ownership proposed to them.

The British, after the Holocaust, gave many Jews asylum and citizenship while virtually ignoring the Palestinian Arabs, while many hardline Zionists and Arabs attacked the British, whom I assume they blamed for instigating many of the conflicts in the first place.

There was thereafter a formal partitioning agreement proposed to split Palestinian occupied land into a Jewish and Arab state, but the Palestinians rejected because the Jews were to be given an extraordinarily larger portion of land than the Palestinians, which led to a decimation of Palestinian forces by British backed Israel, resulting in huge refugee problems for Palestine.

The British responded barely a year later by pushing to create the State of Israel, effectively giving all Palestinian land to the Jews and the conflict has gone on ever since.

If I was a Palestinian, I'd probably feel quite aggrieved too.
 
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It's also interesting to note that at no point since the beginning of the British Empire has there been a single day wherein no wars were going on in the world. In fact we haven't had a single day of world peace in thousands of years, if ever. And I highly doubt God's sitting up there with an Israeli flag wrapped around him. I imagine he's more likely seeing a dead Palestinian child in one hand and a dead Israeli child in the other and asking what the hell's wrong with us.
 
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert

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Unbridled aggression?

If the Belgians were lobbing rockets into the Netherlands, I doubt you'd expect your government to do nothing.
Hamas puts people near the weapons, so the people will get bombed by Israel.
Israel gives plenty of warning ahead of time, then Hamas turns their own people into human targets.

Israel is bridled enough on this one.

I'm far from an pro-Israel apologist. Israel seems in the right on this one.
Wow people in here are deluded.

Israel is like a grade 8 bully who picks on a grade one child and everyone stands around and watches but the grade oner is defenseless.

When the grade one child tries to defend himself by picking up a rock, the grade 8er grabs the grade oner's hands and beats the grade oner bloody with his own hand which is holding the rock.

Then the grade 8er turns to everyone and says "Did you see that? He tried to hit me with a rock" and everyone gasps in horror and turns away and leaves the grade one to die.
 
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert

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Israel protects its citizens with rockets.

Hamas protects its missiles with people.

Israel's leader said that and it defines this conflict well.

Israel has two choices in this skirmish...fight or die.

By the way Hamas rockets are so poorly aimed many have fallen on palistinians as well.....just a fyi.
Fight or die. What a joke. Israel is the aggressors. They have all the weapons. They have been holding Palestine hostage for over 60 years.

If your country were overtaken by Russia, and they then came and treated you like a dog everyday and stole everything you had. What would you do? I suppose the Christian response should be to lie down and die. But what should the role of the Christian onlooker be? Should we look away as we do with the Palestinians? Should we pretend that the land belonged to Russia all along, like we do with Israel? If you began to fight back, should the world treat you as terrorists? If they came in and raped your daughter and then killed her, then killed your spouse and the rest of your children, should we blame you when you try to fight back?
 
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert

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personally i think it is hard to take seriously accusations of 'unbridled aggression' when the supposed 'aggressor' has agreed to three truces in twelve days...truces their supposed 'victims' have virtually disregarded all three times...
for 60 years Israel has pretended to be peaceful and for 60 years they go in and throw rocks at Palestinian children while they try to walk to school, they keep them in a prison and shut off the water, they come in and steal land when the world's attention is elsewhere, they bulldoze homes and slaughter innocent children.

Israel's word is pretend
 
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Isaiah_VoiceInTheDesert

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I doubt this is the case. The Israelis I know are in support of a peaceful solution, but they also realize that there isn't a whole lot of peaceful negotiating that can be done with a militant group whose sole mission is to exterminate the Israelis and wipe them off the face of the earth.

Prime Minister Netanyahu is in a bind because of how unpopular the conflict is, and also due to the impossibility of any compromise being reached. There can't be a peaceful end to this because one side does not want a peaceful end. It's as simple as that, so while some of the Israelis may not like this ongoing conflict in Gaza, I think the majority realize that there is no way around it. Israels neighbors have been less than kind and they certainly don't appreciate their presence in the world... they've been trying to kill them off since the end of World War II, and even long before then.

Who can fault Netanyahu for protecting his people in the face of adversity such as this? That's what he believes he is doing and I don't see what else he could do to be proactive in peace keeping and protecting his people. It's sad that there has to be any bloodshed at all, but it can't be helped. Israel has to be strong for this.
wow you are deluded

how would Hamas ever wipe anyone off the face of the earth? Israel has all the power.

BTW, you associated a falsely quoted, out of context statement by the Iranian leader does not apply here.
 
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How many times will these palestinians be offered peace?

As many times as they break the agreements.

You should read something other than anti-Israel rants and stop watching Aljazeera ( sp ) news. If you think what Israel does to protect itself is so heinous, google a few atrocities done by these ''poor oppressed'' people.

....and they are oppressed, by Hamas and whatever other leadership that was forced upon them.

There never as a palistinian homeland. That is history and fact.

I know this is a shock to many here, but the jews CAME from Israel. It is their homeland.
 
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How many times will these palestinians be offered peace?

As many times as they break the agreements.

You should read something other than anti-Israel rants and stop watching Aljazeera ( sp ) news. If you think what Israel does to protect itself is so heinous, google a few atrocities done by these ''poor oppressed'' people.

....and they are oppressed, by Hamas and whatever other leadership that was forced upon them.

There never as a palistinian homeland. That is history and fact.

I know this is a shock to many here, but the jews CAME from Israel. It is their homeland.
Modern Israel doesn't comprise just historic Israel, and Palestine WAS an Ottoman state, which comprises what was known in ancient days as Philistina. 'Israel' wasn't always Jewish land, and 'Judea' (the place name related to the word 'Jew') is only a tiny part of modern Israel.
 
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Technically, only Judea is rightfully Jewish land. The rest is land of different religious factions and tribes, including the 'Philistines', the ancestors of the 'Palestine' people - theirs includes Gaza.