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If not wanting packs of muslims running around killing and raping is racist? Count me in ..I will wear it as a badge of honor. If having national borders and protecting your working citizens from cheap foreign labor is racist? Then I'm gladly a racist.
The Idea that the Lord wants His People overran by muslims is just insane ..the idea the Lord is trying to form a global government ..is heresy.
The Idea that the Lord wants His People overran by muslims is just insane ..the idea the Lord is trying to form a global government ..is heresy.
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White guilt is also something to consider. Some people are steadily saying that "we" have made those peoples rage and that their rage is just. Whenever knowing this is not just an isolated, mentally disturbed person speaking, but people with power, well, then you know that some folks can be doing pretty much what they please...you know, them poor folks being opressed by the bad western culture...nobody aint gonna dare sayin nothin...cause if you dare, then you're a mean racist...
The unfortunate reality racism is a reality in every country in the world.
If you play to the idea the foreigners are not worthy of respect, worthy of dealing with as
equal human beings as anyone else.
Farage put up a poster which talked about a swamping of foreigns coming to our country.
It was roundly condemned by all the political groups on the left, middle and right wing.
The speech you are talking about here on this thread has been described by a conservative MP in parliament
with these words
"rediculous and revolting behaviour of a certain MEP"
Now I do not know your political positions or why you hold them. I am reporting on the general
reaction and revulsion to the facism that is being reported now from around the country.
I voted remain and I know many who voted leave. That does not make them facist.
UKIP obviously are on the right wing and are happy to spread this kind of hysteria, and it appears
you find Farage a worthy candidate.
Trump is totally unreliable but capable of playing to an audience.
He is a self publicist, and if you look into his great ventures and business successes you will wonder
what has he actually been successful at, other than saying he is so successful.
I wonder at how easily you are deceived, yet claim such insight into human nature and God.
If you play to the idea the foreigners are not worthy of respect, worthy of dealing with as
equal human beings as anyone else.
Farage put up a poster which talked about a swamping of foreigns coming to our country.
It was roundly condemned by all the political groups on the left, middle and right wing.
The speech you are talking about here on this thread has been described by a conservative MP in parliament
with these words
"rediculous and revolting behaviour of a certain MEP"
Now I do not know your political positions or why you hold them. I am reporting on the general
reaction and revulsion to the facism that is being reported now from around the country.
I voted remain and I know many who voted leave. That does not make them facist.
UKIP obviously are on the right wing and are happy to spread this kind of hysteria, and it appears
you find Farage a worthy candidate.
Trump is totally unreliable but capable of playing to an audience.
He is a self publicist, and if you look into his great ventures and business successes you will wonder
what has he actually been successful at, other than saying he is so successful.
I wonder at how easily you are deceived, yet claim such insight into human nature and God.
No. I do not know anyone who is racist.
Some people are and always have done. There are racists in all nations who say the same thing. I also have to wonder if some of the incidents are manufactured like they have been in the past.
No he is not. None of the main political parties in the UK have ever run an election campaign based on leaving EU. Most people want out of the EU, that was proven with the refurendem.
Many of the top political figures in this country want to remain in EU for one reason. Money. after they loose an election or ousted as leader, if they have been faithful and loyal to the EU they will be hired to sit on meaningless committees being paid obsene amounts of money for little or no work. SO why would they want to stop the gravy train?
For many years there was no party to vote for who would take us out of Europe. All we had were the racist parties like the EDL and BNP who many would never vote for, alothough some elections when feelings were high they did gain some local council seats.
Along come Farage and UKIP, a party that is democratic, with the sole aim of returning full soverignty and control of law and expenditure back to the UK. As this party grew more popular, the main parties ran scared, so this ridiculous smear campaign began and every politician loyal to the EU, along with the media would try and label Farage and UKIP as racist, and no better the BNP and EDL.
However most people who are not blinded by the propaganda machine of Parliament and the EU see through the lies, it is a shame that you have not Peter, time and time again the debates over EU have turned to racism, a tactic deliberately brought up by everyone who wanted to remain to derail and divert the real issues and simply drag the debate down to gutter level with a "you are racist" finger pointing.
Another way this has been turned is that anyone who says that we must have a closed border and bring back full control over who comes into the country is being racist. It is ridiculous how the word racist is being thrown around and we are in danger of diluting the power of this word.
Do you think that wanting to close our borders and assessing each person who wants to come into the country to work or visit, is racism? Do you think anyone wanting this is racist? Well that is exactly how the remain campaign has been fought, people want to distance themsleves from the ugly label, and what better way to win more remain votes is brand everyone who wants thier country back and regain full soverignty, as racists.
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When you oppress the people and impose laws, taxes and idealogoy on the people when they have no votes or say in those laws then yes you see a rise in nationalism, which ends up resulting in riots and looting and even worse. Belonging to the EU has brought this about, we get little say in the law making and are bound by thousands of agreements that the British public can do nothing about, which is why we see an increase in so called Nationalism and a good thing too.
At least now the UK can gain full powers in law making and decisions again. The electorate in the UK can now vote in a government to deliver laws and of course vote them out when they can not deliver, that is the whole point in democracy.
We have our country back. Of course anyone who is a communist or left wing liberal who just has this misconception that the whole of Europe must become a single entity and that nationalism must die and we must all embrace multi-culturalism then of course this is understandably a bitter pill to swallow and the worse day of their life.
UK can go on to greater thigns and while we watch the Euro fail and even more Eastern countries join, we will go back to just allowing 30,000 people a year into the country, a figure that sat steadily for decades until Blair embraced the EU policy of open borders, for which he has been handsomely rewarded, when we have seen in last year alone over 300,000 people coming into the country. We must stop this flow and return back to sensible immigration policies.
Uk will prosper in long term, we have plenty of trading opportunities which were denies by being in the EU, any trade lost by the EU can easily be gained from other deals.
Finally, if a nation who has the 5th strongest economy in the world, 4th largest military power, a permanent member of the security council and founder of NATO and mother country of a Commonwealth whos people still hold great for the Queen and UK, can not make it alone then what country can?
Some people are and always have done. There are racists in all nations who say the same thing. I also have to wonder if some of the incidents are manufactured like they have been in the past.
No he is not. None of the main political parties in the UK have ever run an election campaign based on leaving EU. Most people want out of the EU, that was proven with the refurendem.
Many of the top political figures in this country want to remain in EU for one reason. Money. after they loose an election or ousted as leader, if they have been faithful and loyal to the EU they will be hired to sit on meaningless committees being paid obsene amounts of money for little or no work. SO why would they want to stop the gravy train?
For many years there was no party to vote for who would take us out of Europe. All we had were the racist parties like the EDL and BNP who many would never vote for, alothough some elections when feelings were high they did gain some local council seats.
Along come Farage and UKIP, a party that is democratic, with the sole aim of returning full soverignty and control of law and expenditure back to the UK. As this party grew more popular, the main parties ran scared, so this ridiculous smear campaign began and every politician loyal to the EU, along with the media would try and label Farage and UKIP as racist, and no better the BNP and EDL.
However most people who are not blinded by the propaganda machine of Parliament and the EU see through the lies, it is a shame that you have not Peter, time and time again the debates over EU have turned to racism, a tactic deliberately brought up by everyone who wanted to remain to derail and divert the real issues and simply drag the debate down to gutter level with a "you are racist" finger pointing.
Another way this has been turned is that anyone who says that we must have a closed border and bring back full control over who comes into the country is being racist. It is ridiculous how the word racist is being thrown around and we are in danger of diluting the power of this word.
Do you think that wanting to close our borders and assessing each person who wants to come into the country to work or visit, is racism? Do you think anyone wanting this is racist? Well that is exactly how the remain campaign has been fought, people want to distance themsleves from the ugly label, and what better way to win more remain votes is brand everyone who wants thier country back and regain full soverignty, as racists.
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When you oppress the people and impose laws, taxes and idealogoy on the people when they have no votes or say in those laws then yes you see a rise in nationalism, which ends up resulting in riots and looting and even worse. Belonging to the EU has brought this about, we get little say in the law making and are bound by thousands of agreements that the British public can do nothing about, which is why we see an increase in so called Nationalism and a good thing too.
At least now the UK can gain full powers in law making and decisions again. The electorate in the UK can now vote in a government to deliver laws and of course vote them out when they can not deliver, that is the whole point in democracy.
We have our country back. Of course anyone who is a communist or left wing liberal who just has this misconception that the whole of Europe must become a single entity and that nationalism must die and we must all embrace multi-culturalism then of course this is understandably a bitter pill to swallow and the worse day of their life.
UK can go on to greater thigns and while we watch the Euro fail and even more Eastern countries join, we will go back to just allowing 30,000 people a year into the country, a figure that sat steadily for decades until Blair embraced the EU policy of open borders, for which he has been handsomely rewarded, when we have seen in last year alone over 300,000 people coming into the country. We must stop this flow and return back to sensible immigration policies.
Uk will prosper in long term, we have plenty of trading opportunities which were denies by being in the EU, any trade lost by the EU can easily be gained from other deals.
Finally, if a nation who has the 5th strongest economy in the world, 4th largest military power, a permanent member of the security council and founder of NATO and mother country of a Commonwealth whos people still hold great for the Queen and UK, can not make it alone then what country can?
You are playing to fear, and that is how the muslim agenda works. Look you hate us because you know we speak the truth, rather than your idiology is insane, unjust, unhealthy, full of hatred and violence, and in Christ we have overcome.
As soon as you make them the victims, rather than attack their morality and theology, you have lost the battle.
Being part of the EU has never been about Islam. Islam is a reaction against failure, with simple violence and idiological legalism.
And the right wing agenda that out there is evil and we must fight it puts the battle in the wrong place. It is at home when people have no jobs, loose representation and suffer exploitation from global companies who are only interested in their bottom line, is where the battle really is.
And I see how mr Farage plays to your feelings. But unless you can tell the difference between the real issues and what is just extremism, you will always be a simple victim.
As soon as you make them the victims, rather than attack their morality and theology, you have lost the battle.
Being part of the EU has never been about Islam. Islam is a reaction against failure, with simple violence and idiological legalism.
And the right wing agenda that out there is evil and we must fight it puts the battle in the wrong place. It is at home when people have no jobs, loose representation and suffer exploitation from global companies who are only interested in their bottom line, is where the battle really is.
And I see how mr Farage plays to your feelings. But unless you can tell the difference between the real issues and what is just extremism, you will always be a simple victim.
You have definitly fallen for the propaganda machine of the EU and all the main political parties, I hope you read my previous post.
OF course all the parties came out to attack Farage, again I covered that in my previous post. However Farage is right, we can not have miles upon miles of so called refugees swamping our country. Yes the choice of image was not very PC, but it proved the point. Do you call 300,000 people just wandering into the country last year totally unchecked hysteria? if you do not think so, then you really are a good little communist and will be embraced by the EU commissioners, maybe you can ask them for a job.
If we had closed borders and everyone had to apply for a work permit or tourist visa, then Alice Gross would still be alive. in case people wonder who I am talking about, Alice Gross 14 years old, was murdered by Arnis Zalkalns a Latvian who was able to freely coming into this country without checks, "Hi I have an EU passport", "sure come on in and welcome to the UK. " Turns out this scumbag killed his wife and was let out of prison.
Had we closed borders he would not have come to UK as an economic migrant and he certainly would have had his history checked and we certainly would not have let him in. People are turned away from many countries if they have any sort of criminal conviction. I do not want your vision of the UK, I am so happy and thankful we have broken away from the EU, now lets shut our borders down and make everyone who came into the country apply for a work visa and return those who fail back to the EU.
OF course all the parties came out to attack Farage, again I covered that in my previous post. However Farage is right, we can not have miles upon miles of so called refugees swamping our country. Yes the choice of image was not very PC, but it proved the point. Do you call 300,000 people just wandering into the country last year totally unchecked hysteria? if you do not think so, then you really are a good little communist and will be embraced by the EU commissioners, maybe you can ask them for a job.
If we had closed borders and everyone had to apply for a work permit or tourist visa, then Alice Gross would still be alive. in case people wonder who I am talking about, Alice Gross 14 years old, was murdered by Arnis Zalkalns a Latvian who was able to freely coming into this country without checks, "Hi I have an EU passport", "sure come on in and welcome to the UK. " Turns out this scumbag killed his wife and was let out of prison.
Had we closed borders he would not have come to UK as an economic migrant and he certainly would have had his history checked and we certainly would not have let him in. People are turned away from many countries if they have any sort of criminal conviction. I do not want your vision of the UK, I am so happy and thankful we have broken away from the EU, now lets shut our borders down and make everyone who came into the country apply for a work visa and return those who fail back to the EU.
Let me be quite clear here.
Most of the educated people, young people, people in the cities with exposure to the modern world, different cultures voted for staying in Europe.
The elderly, retired 60 - 77+ age group voted to leave, uneducated, unskilled workers voted to leave from the rural and northern communities.
This division is dynamite and dangerous. It is driven by emotion and ignorance, with an image of what England used to think about itself and but is not any more.
This is not propoganda or lies.
And you cannot have a country back that never existed. It is this disconnect, when you realise what you identified with is not there and what exists is now a multi-cultural reality. I live in London, where over 50% of the people come from all over the world. So the reality is, the world has come to the UK. A long time ago, you could say London was English, it is not now. It is London. And it will continue to evolve and change.
What the referendum has shown is the rural communities have day dreamed into the world, and the world has left them behind. It is now a question of how long is going to take for them to accept this has happened, they can do nothing about it, and they need to learn quickly how to fit in and cope. At this current rate they are happy to tear the country apart and then claim it was not their fault. You need to wake up and realise, we are one planet, one community and we need to learn to work together and not fight wars.
Most of the educated people, young people, people in the cities with exposure to the modern world, different cultures voted for staying in Europe.
The elderly, retired 60 - 77+ age group voted to leave, uneducated, unskilled workers voted to leave from the rural and northern communities.
This division is dynamite and dangerous. It is driven by emotion and ignorance, with an image of what England used to think about itself and but is not any more.
This is not propoganda or lies.
And you cannot have a country back that never existed. It is this disconnect, when you realise what you identified with is not there and what exists is now a multi-cultural reality. I live in London, where over 50% of the people come from all over the world. So the reality is, the world has come to the UK. A long time ago, you could say London was English, it is not now. It is London. And it will continue to evolve and change.
What the referendum has shown is the rural communities have day dreamed into the world, and the world has left them behind. It is now a question of how long is going to take for them to accept this has happened, they can do nothing about it, and they need to learn quickly how to fit in and cope. At this current rate they are happy to tear the country apart and then claim it was not their fault. You need to wake up and realise, we are one planet, one community and we need to learn to work together and not fight wars.
Racism is not a label to shut people up. Racism is saying a human being with all the qualities, morals, emotions, families, cares is not worthy of respect like any individual just because of the their skin colour or country they come from.
It comes from a strong sense of identity with one group against another with anger and violence.
The argument about cheap foreign labour is not racist, it is capitalist exploitation.
The argument about helping the poor is not about everyone can find a job but about social responsibility.
Liberalism often compromises important morality on the altar of political and commercial need, so can be equally wrong.
You cannot have open sexual exploitation just because peoples desires go there.
So there are no simple political answers or positions. But the principle of love and care to follow the Lord needs to be our cornerstone, even though it may cut across these group loyalties. But which kingdom one really belongs to often shows at these points.
It comes from a strong sense of identity with one group against another with anger and violence.
The argument about cheap foreign labour is not racist, it is capitalist exploitation.
The argument about helping the poor is not about everyone can find a job but about social responsibility.
Liberalism often compromises important morality on the altar of political and commercial need, so can be equally wrong.
You cannot have open sexual exploitation just because peoples desires go there.
So there are no simple political answers or positions. But the principle of love and care to follow the Lord needs to be our cornerstone, even though it may cut across these group loyalties. But which kingdom one really belongs to often shows at these points.
"to bow down to Islam or die and not fight back."
This is so much real propoganda. If you use this language you make the fear in your hearts more real and inevitable.
Do you know why Islam fails? Do you know why it is just a propoganda machine of labels?
Because its propoganda and fear spreading is so effective. A woman in a street wears a veil. It advertises as allegiance to a pedophile, but she does not know this. She does not know the sharia law, the domination of men over women, the sexual abuse, the lack of freedoms or individual expression it represents, she is just a symbol.
But if you strike her, you play to the insult, the hatred, the victimisation. They are innocent you are guilty. So you must turn the other cheek but continue to talk the reality of what Islam is, its morality, how it destroys whole communities, exploits its followers, abuses anyone who says anything against it, and you will win.
So which line will you fall for? The way of the world, or the way of Christ? Remember satan always lies, and asks you to dishonour your Lord. Which Kingdom do you belong to and which victory are you fighting for?
This is so much real propoganda. If you use this language you make the fear in your hearts more real and inevitable.
Do you know why Islam fails? Do you know why it is just a propoganda machine of labels?
Because its propoganda and fear spreading is so effective. A woman in a street wears a veil. It advertises as allegiance to a pedophile, but she does not know this. She does not know the sharia law, the domination of men over women, the sexual abuse, the lack of freedoms or individual expression it represents, she is just a symbol.
But if you strike her, you play to the insult, the hatred, the victimisation. They are innocent you are guilty. So you must turn the other cheek but continue to talk the reality of what Islam is, its morality, how it destroys whole communities, exploits its followers, abuses anyone who says anything against it, and you will win.
So which line will you fall for? The way of the world, or the way of Christ? Remember satan always lies, and asks you to dishonour your Lord. Which Kingdom do you belong to and which victory are you fighting for?
You are in denial! you really have swallowed the EU manifesto.
By claiming you have all the so called intelligent people voting to remain just shows how dirty and low you are stooping to try and justify that you are right. Ridiculous!
And blaming the older generation because you did not get your way, again pathetic, the older generation knew what this country was like once upon a time and the initial reason we joined the Common Market, not for having it turned into this evil communist project to bring back another Soviet Union.
Driven by ignorance? What ignorance? So we are ignorant in seeing that we have lost all our power in law making, we are giving away £20 billion and more away each year to the EU, we have to allow anyone into our country simply because they have an EU passport?
If there is any ignorance, then its the ignorance of youth that simply votes for the whimsical and idealistic reasons and do not care that we are throwing 20 billion a year away into a black hole with little return. I have spoken to a number of young people at work, they claim they voted because they like the idea that we can all live together and that a vote to leave is just simply a vote for racism, now that is what I call ignorance, not an 80 year old who has lived through a lot more than you have and simply wants to be able to vote for a government that makes all the laws and decisions again.
A country that never existed... Seriously you clearly are not that educated if you think that all we want is a country that never existed. And what about all the other countries that exist in the same way that we can now exist?
As for this so called multi-cultural society, we always have had one. As head of the Commenwealth we have always invited our Commenwealth citizens to come and live in UK , that is if they can contribute to the UK, quality,not quantity. Why should we invite millions of unskilled economic migrants into the UK to undercut the existing workforce, then send all the money back to Eastern Europe. Throw these people out I say and good riddance.
Everything you have said in your post is propaganda, they are lies spread by remain, spread by the main parties who wish to retire to the EU and work on meaningless projects and commities while they earn stupid amounts of money.
The Euro has failed, The EU is on brink of disaster, it is superb that we have left this sinking ship. This cartoon sums things up perfectly.
You lost, now stop throwing toys out of pram and work together to build a strong prosperous UK.
By claiming you have all the so called intelligent people voting to remain just shows how dirty and low you are stooping to try and justify that you are right. Ridiculous!
And blaming the older generation because you did not get your way, again pathetic, the older generation knew what this country was like once upon a time and the initial reason we joined the Common Market, not for having it turned into this evil communist project to bring back another Soviet Union.
Driven by ignorance? What ignorance? So we are ignorant in seeing that we have lost all our power in law making, we are giving away £20 billion and more away each year to the EU, we have to allow anyone into our country simply because they have an EU passport?
If there is any ignorance, then its the ignorance of youth that simply votes for the whimsical and idealistic reasons and do not care that we are throwing 20 billion a year away into a black hole with little return. I have spoken to a number of young people at work, they claim they voted because they like the idea that we can all live together and that a vote to leave is just simply a vote for racism, now that is what I call ignorance, not an 80 year old who has lived through a lot more than you have and simply wants to be able to vote for a government that makes all the laws and decisions again.
A country that never existed... Seriously you clearly are not that educated if you think that all we want is a country that never existed. And what about all the other countries that exist in the same way that we can now exist?
As for this so called multi-cultural society, we always have had one. As head of the Commenwealth we have always invited our Commenwealth citizens to come and live in UK , that is if they can contribute to the UK, quality,not quantity. Why should we invite millions of unskilled economic migrants into the UK to undercut the existing workforce, then send all the money back to Eastern Europe. Throw these people out I say and good riddance.
Everything you have said in your post is propaganda, they are lies spread by remain, spread by the main parties who wish to retire to the EU and work on meaningless projects and commities while they earn stupid amounts of money.
The Euro has failed, The EU is on brink of disaster, it is superb that we have left this sinking ship. This cartoon sums things up perfectly.
You lost, now stop throwing toys out of pram and work together to build a strong prosperous UK.
The problem with the argument, is when people say every expert, every government outlet, all the civil servants are lying.
You know people are brainwashed when this start happens. It is also where deep divisions start. At least to date violence has not yet broken out.
The majority of MP's who make our laws etc were for remaining in the EU. Now the country can choose to go extreme right wing, it can elect people who are nationalist, and only look for the interests of their people as they call it, but the UK will fall apart. Everything is now run by people from international backgrounds, in hospitals, civil servants, cities etc.
Only idiots are not able to see this reality. When I walk down my street there are people from all over the world.
When I go anywhere, all the racial groups, nationalities are represented. So this issue matters. And soverignty has already gone because of international trade and international trading standards, food hygiene, safety regulations, legal agreements, trading arrangements. It is bartering across boundaries etc. We are less members of a country, but rather a city or local community. To a degree I am as much a stranger going to the north of England as I am going to France.
So the real emotional issue is too many people coming to the UK. That is real, and everyone agrees it has to stop.
But the rest is just dangerous insanity.
You know people are brainwashed when this start happens. It is also where deep divisions start. At least to date violence has not yet broken out.
The majority of MP's who make our laws etc were for remaining in the EU. Now the country can choose to go extreme right wing, it can elect people who are nationalist, and only look for the interests of their people as they call it, but the UK will fall apart. Everything is now run by people from international backgrounds, in hospitals, civil servants, cities etc.
Only idiots are not able to see this reality. When I walk down my street there are people from all over the world.
When I go anywhere, all the racial groups, nationalities are represented. So this issue matters. And soverignty has already gone because of international trade and international trading standards, food hygiene, safety regulations, legal agreements, trading arrangements. It is bartering across boundaries etc. We are less members of a country, but rather a city or local community. To a degree I am as much a stranger going to the north of England as I am going to France.
So the real emotional issue is too many people coming to the UK. That is real, and everyone agrees it has to stop.
But the rest is just dangerous insanity.