Dzhokhar Tsarnaev Gets Death

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I think that it was joy to the brothers to leave that cooker in that crowd.
 
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Yes it was but you have a right to your own ideas. It just hit me hard because I have a nephew almost the same age as the young boy killed,they look quite alike too.Just broke my heart.
I understand. I have nieces, and the idea of them being hurt would send me into a rage. But I was really bothered when Osama bin Laden died and America erupted into cheers and laughter. I feel the same about how people are talking about Tzarnaev. The truth is, when bin Laden was killed I was in a room with friends and they started cheering, suddenly I felt like I could hear God crying, saying, "I've lost him forever and they're cheering." I had to leave the house. From that moment on, whether day dream or God speaking to my heart directly, my view of these murderous men began to change. They deserve to be arrested, even killed on the battlefield, but we cannot become them.
 
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"When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices, And when the wicked perish, there is joyful shouting." -Proverbs 11:10.
 
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I understand. I have nieces, and the idea of them being hurt would send me into a rage. But I was really bothered when Osama bin Laden died and America erupted into cheers and laughter. I feel the same about how people are talking about Tzarnaev. The truth is, when bin Laden was killed I was in a room with friends and they started cheering, suddenly I felt like I could hear God crying, saying, "I've lost him forever and they're cheering." I had to leave the house. From that moment on, whether day dream or God speaking to my heart directly, my view of these murderous men began to change. They deserve to be arrested, even killed on the battlefield, but we cannot become them.

I do understand how you feel,God doesn't want anyone lost. I hate that such a young man that could do so much good for the world was corrupted so badly. But that is why Hitler and the likes always get the youth,they are so easy to mold. While I know God is saddened by someone going to hell there is also a time when he gives us over to a reprobate mind and I think that is the case here. I feel justice was done, but with the loss of life and limbs and a young man gone so wrong it is hardly something to cheer about. The question is how do we ,Christians, reach them before these demonic influences do? In fact here are the lyrics to a song that has always convicted me and with all that has gone on in the news in the past few years I will post the lyrics here....


The Light of Jesus to the World

Who's gonna take the shield of faith out into the ghettos and witness to the street gangs of the night?
Who's gonna be the bold one to tell the pimps and the prostitutes the affection that they crave is found in Christ?
Who'll take the breastplate of righteousness into this country's schools and preach holiness to every boy and girl?
Well, it's you and it's me who'll witness for the Savior, and be the light of Jesus to the world.


Tell me who'll walk strong and tall and gird their loins with truth and stand and say "abortion is a sin"?
Who will confront the politicians with all of their deception and say in heaven, God won't let liars in?
Who'll take the helmet of salvation out into Wall Street and teach wealth is more than cars, diamonds and pearls?
Well, it's you and it's me who'll take the cross of Calavary and be the light of Jesus to the world.


Because it's you and it's me, we are the world's examples, our govenrment won't teach us how to pray. Tell me when was the last time you witnessed to your neighbor and told him that Jesus is the way?
Because they're dying out in Vegas, they think gambling's the answer.
In Hollywood, they're lost in lust for fame.
The homosexual in San Francisco's trapped in vile bondage, and in Miami, drugs still play their hellish game.
Someone has to walk this gospel of peace throughout our nations. Our TV game shows won't clear out our jails.
Because it's you and it's me who'll bear the lamp of God and be the light of Jesus to world. I said it's you and it's me, we're still called his disciples, who'll be the bring the light of Jesus to the world? by Carman

 

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It means I suggest you read the book of Romans for added context on the subject.
Ok, I've re-read Romans. Before I reply based on that, do you care to share with me your interpretation thereof?
 
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For the capitol punishment supporters, what about that throw the first stone thing?
Jesus did not change the Law, He fulfilled the law. The Law allowed the government to "bear the sword" in situations that warranted it. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. There are crimes that demand death. Tsarnaev committed many of them.
 

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Jesus did not change the Law, He fulfilled the law. The Law allowed the government to "bear the sword" in situations that warranted it. God is the same yesterday, today and forever. There are crimes that demand death. Tsarnaev committed many of them.
The law allowed the people to stone the adulterous woman. Yet Jesus stood in the way of that. I can't see how or why He would change his mind on this bomber.
 
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It's good to see America take action against terrorism and it's good to see them doing this. Maybe this will open up other terrorists eyes and make them think twice before they try and attack.
 
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It will help the terrorists see that moving in and multiplying rapidly is more effective than overt terrorist acts, at this juncture, in the furtherance of their violent immoral religious cult.

Which, of course, is why we shouldn't be importing them in to begin with.

US Muslim Immigrant Population Surges; Up 1,000,000 Since 2000

Study: Mideast Immigrants to US Pose Huge Security Threat


Maybe this will open up other terrorists eyes and make them think twice before they try and attack.
 
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I understand. I have nieces, and the idea of them being hurt would send me into a rage. But I was really bothered when Osama bin Laden died and America erupted into cheers and laughter. I feel the same about how people are talking about Tzarnaev. The truth is, when bin Laden was killed I was in a room with friends and they started cheering, suddenly I felt like I could hear God crying, saying, "I've lost him forever and they're cheering." I had to leave the house. From that moment on, whether day dream or God speaking to my heart directly, my view of these murderous men began to change. They deserve to be arrested, even killed on the battlefield, but we cannot become them.
that is a lot like how i felt... death is the real enemy...how can anyone cheer for death?
 
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And we all know how rich republicans hate to pay living wages to our own people because that just takes money out of their already bloated pockets.
You lost a lot of credibility with that asinine statement.

Democrats enjoy their smoke and mirrors. They champion themselves as the voice of the oppressed and disenfranchised, all the while keeping people down by creating animosity between the masses regarding race, sexuality, income and religion, to name a few. And they do this perched high in their homogeneous ivory towers far away from any low income neighborhood filled with various ethnicities.
 

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Don't get me wrong, I'm no fan of the democrats either. They are just as culpable, importing the poor because they think the whole world should be supported by our pockets. Personally, I think supporting either party is completely asinine.

So, who you voting for this year... the party that takes your money and gives it to the rich, or the party that takes your money and gives it to the lazy? You're being asinine either way.
 
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When you execute a murderer you stop them from murdering. One need not "cheer death" to execute a murderer. They can cheer not having to mourn the deaths of more innocent victims. They can cheer justice coming to fruition. They can cheer a safer society. They can cheer a great many things. There's many things to be thankful for when the unrepentant wicked are removed from the face of this earth.

And when murderers are executed they are no longer "lifers" who spend their entire lives exploiting weaker prisoners and preventing so much real reform from occurring in our penal system through the murderous criminal blood in blood out prison gangs responsible for so many more murders in our petitionary system, in society through the street gangs they control, and the victims who die from the hard drug sales they facilitate between the cartels and the respective street gangs and criminal associates who answer to them to sell for them in our society.

Furthermore, the difference between executing murderers and housing them for life in our penal system doesn't have to be extorted through taxation from a suffering populace in a Great Recession and the worst domestic labor market since the Great Depression meaning mothers can provide for their children better which is preventative to them growing up and becoming involved in criminal activities and/or drug abuse.

Cheer death? You're cheering death every time you don't execute a murderer.


that is a lot like how i felt... death is the real enemy...how can anyone cheer for death?
 
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I am really uneasy about capitol punishment, one one hand I'm for it in terrorist cases and also child abuse but I'm just uneasy about the whole thing. Maybe it is just because we don't have the death penalty here I'm not sure.
Sorry to hear that. I mean no disrespect. The death penalty is not of man. It is of God. Genesis 9:6.

The death penalty is a positive response to negative acts. Lawmakers, judges, lawyers support the death penalty in the case of murder because they judge that human life is most valuable. A murderer is one who has forfeited his/her life.

Okay, the state can allow the criminal to have access to any religious leader of his/her choosing before the sentence is carried out. Or the state can allow any religious leader to speak visit the one sentenced to die.

Life in prison for a murder is nothing more than a slap in the face to those who value and cherish life. For society to have to feed, cloth, and shelter a murderer is a mockery against society.

"Well, life in prison is not easy. The murderer will have a long time to think about the crime." Makes no difference. Not a matter of which is more painful to the murderer. The murderer is not the issue. Justice is the issue. When criminals are punished for their crimes the law of the land is respected and obeyed. That society flourishes.
 
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You lost a lot of credibility with that asinine statement.

Democrats enjoy their smoke and mirrors. They champion themselves as the voice of the oppressed and disenfranchised, all the while keeping people down by creating animosity between the masses regarding race, sexuality, income and religion, to name a few. And they do this perched high in their homogeneous ivory towers far away from any low income neighborhood filled with various ethnicities.
AMEN

AMEN

AMEN

NOW I AM SHOUTING ON A MEGAPHONE AMEN

And from those ivory towers they will attach rules and regulations to public assistance programs, and in so doing they will keep the poor man down.
 

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Sorry to hear that. I mean no disrespect. The death penalty is not of man. It is of God. Genesis 9:6.

The death penalty is a positive response to negative acts. Lawmakers, judges, lawyers support the death penalty in the case of murder because they judge that human life is most valuable. A murderer is one who has forfeited his/her life.

Okay, the state can allow the criminal to have access to any religious leader of his/her choosing before the sentence is carried out. Or the state can allow any religious leader to speak visit the one sentenced to die.

Life in prison for a murder is nothing more than a slap in the face to those who value and cherish life. For society to have to feed, cloth, and shelter a murderer is a mockery against society.

"Well, life in prison is not easy. The murderer will have a long time to think about the crime." Makes no difference. Not a matter of which is more painful to the murderer. The murderer is not the issue. Justice is the issue. When criminals are punished for their crimes the law of the land is respected and obeyed. That society flourishes.
Can a murderer find Christ if he is sent to prison instead of given death? Even if given death, can a murderer still find Christ before his sentencing? God would know if it's true and sincere, and according to Scripture no sin is greater than the other. This is a serious question, as I posted a question earlier in the week about if the Boston bomber repented and became a Christian.
 
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For the capitol punishment supporters, what about that throw the first stone thing?
I am for the death penalty. But I don't claim to be sinless. I know I am a sinner. I am not working against Jesus as were those men who just happened to find the woman committing (in the very act) adultery. How did they find her? Entrapment.
They wanted to test Jesus. They did not care one bit for the woman. And so they are rebuked: Cast the first stone.

"Let him cast the first stone" is a challenge that exposed a proud and arrogant spirit of the religious leaders. It confronted hypocrisy. It is not a command that somehow negates a principle.

If I am for the death penalty but I hate my neighbor, then I can see "Let him cast the first stone" being relevant in that case. It's applicable to me. If I somehow in someway compare myself to that murderer and look up toward our Almighty and Holy God say unto Him: I am thankful and glad that I am not as this man here, this murderer, then again the charge cast the first stone is applicable to me. And I should very well heed it and get on my knees and repent and confess that I am a sinner.
 

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I am for the death penalty. But I don't claim to be sinless. I know I am a sinner. I am not working against Jesus as were those men who just happened to find the woman committing (in the very act) adultery. How did they find her? Entrapment.
They wanted to test Jesus. They did not care one bit for the woman. And so they are rebuked: Cast the first stone.

"Let him cast the first stone" is a challenge that exposed a proud and arrogant spirit of the religious leaders. It confronted hypocrisy. It is not a command that somehow negates a principle.

If I am for the death penalty but I hate my neighbor, then I can see "Let him cast the first stone" being relevant in that case. It's applicable to me. If I somehow in someway compare myself to that murderer and look up toward our Almighty and Holy God say unto Him: I am thankful and glad that I am not as this man here, this murderer, then again the charge cast the first stone is applicable to me. And I should very well heed it and get on my knees and repent and confess that I am a sinner.
When I think death penalty I think of lost souls. While yes, it is effective, it's where that lost soul is going is what makes the death penalty sad. I don't think many born again Christians are being sentencing to this. Just my view on it.
 
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When I think death penalty I think of lost souls. While yes, it is effective, it's where that lost soul is going is what makes the death penalty sad. I don't think many born again Christians are being sentencing to this. Just my view on it.
Yes, I understand. That's one reason why I believe they ought to be provided with a religious leader. In fact, if it were up to me, I'd arrange things so that the convicted criminal could only hear the gospel or only have access to gospel teaching material.