Furor over Arabic assignment leads to school closure

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Magenta

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Same spirit of the Prince of this world, does not regard the desire of women, but the Devils own desire will be working in them. Hate to say it but the US government is getting really chummy with Muslim countries who have lots of money, and we know how money influences governments and cause them to make poor judgments and poor decisions.

Daniel 11:37
Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.
Muslim men are promised 72 perpetual virgins for committing jihad for the cause of spreading Islam... it may be the only assurance of salvation they have, that is, to kill themselves while murdering those who are not Muslim.
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[TD="colspan: 2"]Question: Are suicide bombings justified or condemned under Islam?
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[TD="colspan: 2"]Summary Answer: Suicide is against Islam. Martyrdom is not.
"Suicide bomber" is a derogatory term invented in the West to try and describe what in Islam is known as a Fedayeen or Shahid - a martyr. The point of the bomber isn't suicide - it is to kill infidels in battle. This is not just permitted by Muhammad, but encouraged with liberal promises of earthy rewards in heaven including food and sex.
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[TD="colspan: 2"]The Qur'an: Qur'an (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
Qur'an (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."
Qur'an (2:207) - "And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah..."
Qur'an (61:10-12) "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement." This verse was given at the battle Uhud and uses the Arabic word, Jihad.

The dark-eyed virgins are mentioned in several places as well, including verses
44:54 and 52:20. For those who swing the other way, there are "perpetual youth" verse 6:17, otherwise known as"boys" in verses 52:24 and 76:19.
Qur'an (17:33) "And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right" An important verse that is used by martyrdom bombers to not only justify their own deaths, but that of other bystanders who might be believers as well. The end justifies the means, with the goal being the defeat of the kafir and the establishment of Islamic rule.
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[TD="colspan: 2"]From the Hadith:

Bukhari (52:54) - The words of Muhammad: "I would love to be martyred in Al1ah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred." This is why modern-day Jihadists often say that they love death.

Muslim (20:4678) - During the battle of Uhud, Muhammad was desperate to push men into battle. He promised paradise for those who would martyr themselves, prompting a young man who was eating dates to throw them away and rush to his death.

Muslim (20:4655) - A man asks Muhammad "which of men is the best?" Muhammad replies that it is the man who is always ready for battle and flies into it "seeking death at places where it can be expected." (Tellingly perhaps, the next most saintly man in Islam is the hermit who lives in isolation "sparing men from his mischief.")

Muslim (20:4681) - "Surely, the gates of Paradise are under the shadows of the swords." After hearing Muhammad say that martyrdom leads to paradise, a young man pulls his sword and breaks the sheath (indicating that he has no intention of returning) then flings himself into battle until he is killed.

Muslim (20.4635) - "Nobody who enters Paradise will (ever like to) return to this world even if he were offered everything on the surface of the earth (as an inducement) except the martyr who will desire to return to this world and be killed ten times for the sake of the great honor that has been bestowed upon him."

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Each week, there are about ten attempted suicide bombings - all by Muslims. The reason why these Muslims are prone to self-detonation has nothing to do with genetics, desperation, or suicide. It is the ideology that promotes martyrdom by promising paradise to those who lose their lives for Allah.

A suicide bombing is really an act of homicide. When Muslim apologists in the West say that Islam is against suicide bombings by pointing to hadith that oppose killing oneself, such as
Bukhari (23:446), they are being disingenuous. Many Muslims in the Arab world, who are less concerned about public relations, celebrate and revere suicide bombers, knowing that martyrdom in battle is glorified by their religion. As the Ayatollah Khomeini once put it, "The purest joy in Islam is to kill and be killed for Allah."

CAIR's Jamal Badawi, often held up as an example of moderate Islam, says "Suicide out of despair is not acceptable…Giving one’s life in a military situation is different and can be heroic if there is no other way of resisting…Killing civilians should be avoided if possible, but not everyone out of uniform is a civilian.” (One wonders how families of the
12,000 Iraqi civilians killed by suicide bombers would feel about Badawi's armchair analysis).

Another prominent CAIR figure, founder Omar Ahmad, actually praised suicide bombers to a youth convention in 1999: "Fighting for freedom, fighting for Islam, that is not suicide. They kill themselves for Islam."

As for the argument that innocent Muslims are often casualties, the prominent Sunni cleric
explainsthat "Allah will also accept as martyrs those killed by mistake."

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2014 fatwa by the mainstream OnIslam.net site states that suicide operations are actually an "obligatory form of Jihad that has nothing to do with terrorism or suicide." It quotes Sheikh Faysal Mawlawi, deputy chairman of European Council for Fatwa and Research, who calls suicide bombings "a sacred duty carried out in form of self-defense and resisting aggression and injustice. So whoever is killed in such missions is a martyr, may Allah bless him with high esteem." (The same scholar encourages "every Palestinian" to this act of violence for the sake of religion).

Muhammad was quite shrewd in making suicide a crime while at the same time painting paradise in the most prolifically decadent terms - an endless orgy of sex, food, and aesthetic comfort. The frustration of the young believer, who is convinced that such eternal gratification lies just on the other side of death, but is forbidden from attaining it directly by his own hand, therefore comes to think of martyrdom as a relief - particularly if he is deprived of these comforts in life. Given this, it's a wonder that suicide bombings aren't more common than they are.

As a side note: the first suicide bomber in history may well have been Amalda de Rocas, a Christian teenage girl who was captured by the Turkish armies that were sent to conquer Cyprus in 1570 for no other reason than that they were not Muslim. During the campaign, the Muslims slaughtered entire towns (after promising them safe passage) and captured about 2,400 children for transport back to the robust sex slave market in Islamic Turkey.

Amalda, one of the older girls, realized the hell that awaited them, and threw a burning torch into a powder keg, blowing up the ship and sparing several hundred Christian children the indignity of sexual exploitation at the hands of the Muslims of the day.

It is probably unfair to compare Amalda's noble and desperate act to the homicidal mass-murder sprees of Muhammad's modern-day Fedayeen, who heap misery onto innocent people simply for the purpose of achieving a gluttonous paradise for themselves... but it is a point of interest.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/018-suicide-bombing.htm

See also:
Killing for Allah to Avoid Hell
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I like post #112 in the, What Offends You thread. :cool:

That's a smart dude! :cool:
 
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kaylagrl

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The dress code debate is another issue onto itself. Not all of it is islamic, islam simply perveted and corrupted what is otherwise beautiful Arabic and other middle eastern culture. That's a massive topic though in itself. For this topic, I am just so glad I see this, let's maximize though. Let the furor die down. No need to be angry at the school people or the muslims or any of that, the people have spoken and shahada defeated. No more shahada in our schools, no violence, praise Jesus, simple as that.

I dont think you'd find the Arabic culture so beautiful if you were a female.
 

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Female Genital Mutilation (FGM)

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It is nearly always carried out on minors and is a violation of the rights of children.

FGM is generally done without anaesthetic, and can have lifelong health consequences including chronic infection, severe pain during urination, menstruation, sexual intercourse, and childbirth, and psychological trauma. No one knows how many girls die from FGM. It is
performed for non-medical reasons.

Female Genital Mutilation (FGM) | Equality Now

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Found elsewhere in Asia, the Middle East, and among
diaspora communities around the world. It is conducted from days after birth to puberty and beyond; in half the countries for which national figures are available, most girls are cut before the age of five.

The practice is rooted in
gender inequality, attempts to control women's sexuality, and ideas about purity, modesty and aesthetics. It is usually initiated and carried out by women, who see it as a source of honour and fear that failing to have their daughters and granddaughters cut will expose the girls to social exclusion. Over 130 million women and girls have experienced FGM in the 29 countries in which it is concentrated. The United Nations Population Fundestimates that 20 percent of affected women have been infibulated (sewn shut), a practice found largely in northeast Africa, particularly Djibouti, Eritrea, Somalia and northern Sudan.

Apart from the pain and distress involved in the procedure at the time, there can be long-term health consequences, even sometimes involving infertility. Bladder and urinary tract infections and cysts are not uncommon. There is an increased risk of problems during childbirth, which could in extreme cases lead to the death of the baby. Where FGM involves sewing up or narrowing the vaginal opening, this must be undone to allow sexual intercourse and then before the woman can give birth.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/feb/06/what-is-female-genital-mutilation-where-happen

FGM predates Islam and is not practiced by the majority of Muslims, but it has acquired a religious dimension. Where it is practiced by Muslims, religion is frequently cited as a reason. Many of those who oppose mutilation deny that there is any link between the practice and religion, but Islamic leaders are not unanimous on the subject. Although predominant among Muslims, FGM also occurs among Christians, animists and Jews.

http://www.endfgm.eu/en/female-genital-mutilation/what-is-fgm/why-is-it-practised/
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I dont think you'd find the Arabic culture so beautiful if you were a female.
There's a difference between their racial cultures and islam. Clothing is a fine example, their traditional and modest attire is quite famous and very beautiful, made of some of the finest materials and woven by some of the most skilled women in history and even modern times. Nothing wrong with a head covering, not just Arabic culture have those particular common head coverings. Other cultures have their unique head coverings. What you think a hat or a bandana is?

Lol kinda funny how the western women more than anything in islam, their biggest thing they hate is the clothing. I can kinda see why that would be though seeing as islam is even the most hardcore feminist's worst nightmare. You can see how islam is evil by the way it weaponizes their beautiful garments, their skills, and the woman herself into shackles of oppression. In the same way does islam corrupt the races and cultures brought under its yoke. A more poignant reminder we must staunch islam's spread and influence here, but also that our ways are not their ways. Islam is violence and chaos. Praise Jesus, their shahada is defied by peace and order.
 

Magenta

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Other cultures have their unique head coverings. What you think a hat or a bandana is?
A choice.

Lol kinda funny how the western women more than anything in islam, their biggest thing they hate is the clothing.
Your ignorance is disgusting.
 
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Another reason Islam has spread so rapidly when it gets a foothold in an area is it is spread by force. Even the misguided Jews who taught God's words and laws falsely by the precept of men tried to force their own self serving agenda on others. Jesus said the kingdom of God had suffered violence up to the point of John, and that the violent had tried to take it by force. That is also what Islam does with their Sharia law, follow it or else.

You cannot force someone to worship God in their heart, just as you cannot force someone to love God. It is clear that those who try to force religion by violence, even in the case of Christianity, is not of God.
 
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A choice.

Your ignorance is disgusting.
Will you hate an entire race of people because they have a different hat than you? It's not their head scarfs, it's islam for turning their hats against them.


Like I said the clothing and all that is a much more massive topic. Not really wanting to keep going after this on it here, but perhaps it be an interesting topic elsewhere. It is ironic to me it is mostly Western women not even connected to Arab, Jewish, or other cultures with head scarves that oppose it the most and are the most vocal. I don't think it's because of the clothing itself, I think it's because it conflicts the most with the typical western view of femininity and feminism rather than islam itself.

I think their headscarves are their traditional attire not derived from islam, but older because other cultures have them. It can be even cute and modest attire, some of it quite beautiful. It's not the clothing that's the problem, it's islam, and the way it turns their racial culture's fine attributes into some of their biggest chains and weapons against the people. It's islam, it's the Koran and hadith that codifies the women being treated like dogs, not the garments themselves. You might be surprised how many Arab and Middle Eastern women even that wear headscarves have a lot of influence over your own clothes in the West and that are into fashion design and all that, much less worldwide. Also there are many that wear them that are Christians even and that are at the forefront of women's rights issues.
 
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No Jesus in schools, then no muhammad as well. also no atheist,jedi,sith,corn worship,ect,ect,ect,ect,ect
 
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I say no to teaching evolution, big bang and all other vain babblings of science, which is mans religion making his knowledge and himself his own god. :)
 
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kaylagrl

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Will you hate an entire race of people because they have a different hat than you? It's not their head scarfs, it's islam for turning their hats against them.


Like I said the clothing and all that is a much more massive topic. Not really wanting to keep going after this on it here, but perhaps it be an interesting topic elsewhere. It is ironic to me it is mostly Western women not even connected to Arab, Jewish, or other cultures with head scarves that oppose it the most and are the most vocal. I don't think it's because of the clothing itself, I think it's because it conflicts the most with the typical western view of femininity and feminism rather than islam itself.

I think their headscarves are their traditional attire not derived from islam, but older because other cultures have them. It can be even cute and modest attire, some of it quite beautiful. It's not the clothing that's the problem, it's islam, and the way it turns their racial culture's fine attributes into some of their biggest chains and weapons against the people. It's islam, it's the Koran and hadith that codifies the women being treated like dogs, not the garments themselves. You might be surprised how many Arab and Middle Eastern women even that wear headscarves have a lot of influence over your own clothes in the West and that are into fashion design and all that, much less worldwide. Also there are many that wear them that are Christians even and that are at the forefront of women's rights issues.

Quote " It is ironic to me it is mostly Western women not even connected to Arab, Jewish, or other cultures with head scarves that oppose it the most and are the most vocal. I don't think it's because of the clothing itself, I think it's because it conflicts the most with the typical western view of femininity and feminism rather than islam itself.


No, it has nothing to do with femininity.It has to do with oppression. It has to do with abuse. In some of these countries they can be murdered for showing an ankle. And not a quick murder either. Women in this country wear hats or veils to church,its their choice and I could care less what you choose to wear. But to be stoned for showing anything but your eyes is not beauty,it is legalism,it is abuse.

Quote "I think their headscarves are their traditional attire not derived from islam, but older because other cultures have them. "

Magenta just gave you a map.Look at it.Its required in many places.

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It can be even cute and modest attire"

You're not a women.What is it that men must wear or be stoned? Nothing,they wear what they want.You always know a man made religion. I live in the south and trust me in 100 degree heat being covered from head to toe isnt "cute". Its oppressive. If one choose to wear something thats different,these women dont have a choice.


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It's islam, it's the Koran and hadith that codifies the women being treated like dogs, not the garments themselves."

Well you have that right.It sure is islam. Every one of these man made religions do the same thing. Oppress. Its fine for a woman to feel she should dress modestly and that is here choice.But covered in fabric from head to toe is not a choice.Its because a man cannot control his base desires. Whether its little girls,their maids or wives.These men are lecherous and full of the devil. Then they turn and blame the woman for their sins. smh Sick.