Immigration a big issue.

[kennethcadwell]

It is hard to believe how Kenneth continues misapplying Mat 25, a passage that has to do with the Tribulation & how gentile sheep & goats treat Christ's brethren in the time of trouble right before He returns to take over planet earth. The passage is not saying that bums on the street or persons in prison are Christ's brethren, for crying outloud.

That and the part where is says my brethren in this chapter is not referring to the poor, hungry, and in prison. As in we are only to help those who are Christian when they fall into these situations. For we are to help all rather Christian or not.

Let me show it to you in simple terms;

VS. 40 " And the King will answer and say to them, ' Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these Atwood, you did it to Me. '

Now you see this scripture is talking to us ( brethren ), all you have to do is put your name there where it says my brethren to see this. If we His brethren help the least ( people in position that need help, poor and in prison ) then we are doing His will. You can not twist this to say we are only to help other Christians, that is not biblical.

Our Lord even says if you only help or love other brethren ( Christians ), there is no benefit in it. If you help those who are not believers then there is benefit for you save yourself and them.


1 Timothy 4:16
Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers.

 

[Billyd]

Just look at this U.S. map of cartel activity... all fresh... all new in the past few years... and all brought to you by ignorant deceived liberals and corrupt RINOs helping Obama transform America towns and cities into gang ridden crime holes one illegal alien at a time. There are only twelve states left that don't have material cartel activity in the U.S. either directly or through contracted proxy U.S. street gangs:

https://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa...-96.152344&spn=32.935553,56.25&z=4&dg=feature

Look at this one: Mexican drug trafficking in the US: the Sinaloa cartel's vast empire | World news | theguardian.com

14-Year-Old U.S. Citizen Gets Three Years for Beheading Hostages as Mexican Cartel Hitman | TheBlaze.com

^ We do NOT need these new undesirable additions to our neighborhood. We've got enough La Raza gangbangers here operating in the Southwest already.

What interests me most about your map is the end of the arrows. It seems to me that we have a demand problem. What amazes me is that we feel that we can cut off the Mexico Border import routes, and stop the import of the drugs. The producers/sellers have a much better cash flow than most of the businesses in the US. While we are worrying about the cost of a few young people, the producers/sellers will do over $3B a day in business, and will drain another $2B a day in lost human resources. When are we going to address the real problem here? The buyers of the products crossing the border. I'm afraid that we may be too late.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

But you're not helping them Kenneth. As has been explained to you repeatedly in this thread, you're stealing money from your neighbor's children to transform decent neighborhoods into sprawling welfare slums populated by violent gangs in a severely depressed U.S. labor market in a nation dominated by a national debt so large that the interest payments alone are going to exceed all U.S. military spending by 2020 forcing borrowing and distributing the borrowed money to welfare recipients to be severely curtailed resulting in social upheaval.

You're deceived kenneth and injuring all nations and people involved but especially poor blacks. They are the number one demographic in the U.S. you're injuring. As the president and CEO of the Urban League stated in his congressional testimony on illegal immigration:

"Scholars estimate that immigration is the reason for one-third of the drop in employment among black men, and even some of the increase in incarceration.

If there's a young black man, where I live, who's good with his hands and wants to become a carpenter, which is more likely to help him achieve that goal -- amnesty and more immigration, or enforcement and less immigration? The correct answer is less immigration.

Which is more likely to help an ex-convict or recovering addict get hired at an entry-level job and start the climb back to a decent life -- amnesty and more immigration, or enforcement and less immigration? The correct answer is less immigration.

Which is more likely to persuade a teenager in the inner city to reject the lure of gang life and instead stick with honest employment -- amnesty and more immigration, or enforcement and less immigration? The correct answer is less immigration.

And it's not just a matter of jobs. Whatever your views on government social programs, everyone can agree that resources are not infinite -- there's only so much social spending to go around. And since immigrants have relatively low skills and low incomes, they use a lot of social services and pay little in taxes, cutting into the spending on America's own poor. CIS estimates that illegal aliens alone cost federal taxpayers billions more a year in services than they pay in taxes that's not being spent on disadvantaged Americans, not counting the much larger deficits at the state and local level, where most social services are provided.

Likewise with the schools. As budgets have tightened, school enrollment has surged, and all of the growth in the nation's school-age population -- 100 percent -- comes from immigrant families. This surge in enrolment has led to school overcrowding and has diverted resources that would otherwise have been devoted to at-risk students."

Furthermore, U.S. public school performance has dropped from first in the world to average with heavy illegal immigration areas performing near the bottom when they used to be at the top before mass immigration. So millions of students are receiving failing education despite government budgets allocating almost half of all tax money to them.

How would you like it Kenneth if I walked into your workplace and told your boss to fire you and hire an illegal alien and he did, then lobbied for the government to tax your wife's income to support more criminal illegal immigration, and finally told your hungry wife and children I was doing "God's work" to justify it. That's what YOU do everyday to your neighbors.

Later, your kids would be offered drugs by the illegal alien's teens who dropped out of what would be a failing public school due to mass immigration to "put in work" for their homeland cartel on your block which would become a crime ridden slum as illegal aliens and their gangs poured in. Do you think your neighbors are going to thank you for destroying their children's education and quality of life and Jesus is going to give you a big crown of glory. Not even close. Your acting irresponsibly and negligently in a deceived and ignorant state, nothing more.

That's how ignorant and deceived the mentality you have and the behavior you're currently involved in is.

The Damaging Civic Consequences of Illegal Migration, Pt. 1 | Center for Immigration Studies

The Damaging Civic Consequences of Illegal Migration, Pt. 2: The 'Better Lives' Argument | Center for Immigration Studies

The Damaging Civic Consequences of Illegal Migration, Pt. 3: Sowing Deliberate Euphemistic Confusion | Center for Immigration Studies

The Damaging Civic Consequences of Illegal Migration, Pt. 4: Rhetorical Slights of Hand | Center for Immigration Studies

The Border Surge Is Much More than a Humanitarian Issue | Center for Immigration Studies

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

More problems:

‘Some speak Mayan’: Illegal kids swamp public schools

Illegal immigrant children get first-class treatment at taxpayers' expense - Washington Times

Etc...

 

[kennethcadwell]

But you're not helping them Kenneth. As has been explained to you repeatedly in this thread, you're stealing money from your neighbor's children to transform decent neighborhoods into sprawling welfare slums populated by violent gangs in a severely depressed U.S. labor market in a nation dominated by a national debt so large that the interest payments alone are going to exceed all U.S. military spending by 2020 forcing borrowing and distributing the borrowed money to welfare recipients to be severely curtailed resulting in social upheaval.

You're deceived kenneth and injuring all nations and people involved but especially poor blacks. They are the number one demographic in the U.S. you're injuring. As the president and CEO of the Urban League stated in his congressional testimony on illegal immigration:

"Scholars estimate that immigration is the reason for one-third of the drop in employment among black men, and even some of the increase in incarceration.

If there's a young black man, where I live, who's good with his hands and wants to become a carpenter, which is more likely to help him achieve that goal -- amnesty and more immigration, or enforcement and less immigration? The correct answer is less immigration.

Which is more likely to help an ex-convict or recovering addict get hired at an entry-level job and start the climb back to a decent life -- amnesty and more immigration, or enforcement and less immigration? The correct answer is less immigration.

Which is more likely to persuade a teenager in the inner city to reject the lure of gang life and instead stick with honest employment -- amnesty and more immigration, or enforcement and less immigration? The correct answer is less immigration.

And it's not just a matter of jobs. Whatever your views on government social programs, everyone can agree that resources are not infinite -- there's only so much social spending to go around. And since immigrants have relatively low skills and low incomes, they use a lot of social services and pay little in taxes, cutting into the spending on America's own poor. CIS estimates that illegal aliens alone cost federal taxpayers billions more a year in services than they pay in taxes that's not being spent on disadvantaged Americans, not counting the much larger deficits at the state and local level, where most social services are provided.

Likewise with the schools. As budgets have tightened, school enrollment has surged, and all of the growth in the nation's school-age population -- 100 percent -- comes from immigrant families. This surge in enrolment has led to school overcrowding and has diverted resources that would otherwise have been devoted to at-risk students."

Furthermore, U.S. public school performance has dropped from first in the world to average with heavy illegal immigration areas performing near the bottom when they used to be at the top before mass immigration. So millions of students are receiving failing education despite government budgets allocating almost half of all tax money to them.

How would you like it Kenneth if I walked into your workplace and told your boss to fire you and hire an illegal alien and he did, then lobbied for the government to tax your wife's income to support more criminal illegal immigration, and finally told your hungry wife and children I was doing "God's work" to justify it. That's what YOU do everyday to your neighbors.

Later, your kids would be offered drugs by the illegal alien's teens who dropped out of what would be a failing public school due to mass immigration to "put in work" for their homeland cartel on your block which would become a crime ridden slum as illegal aliens and their gangs poured in. Do you think your neighbors are going to thank you for destroying their children's education and quality of life and Jesus is going to give you a big crown of glory. Not even close. Your acting irresponsibly and negligently in a deceived and ignorant state, nothing more.

That's how ignorant and deceived the mentality you have and the behavior you're currently involved in is.

The Damaging Civic Consequences of Illegal Migration, Pt. 1 | Center for Immigration Studies

The Damaging Civic Consequences of Illegal Migration, Pt. 2: The 'Better Lives' Argument | Center for Immigration Studies

The Damaging Civic Consequences of Illegal Migration, Pt. 3: Sowing Deliberate Euphemistic Confusion | Center for Immigration Studies

The Damaging Civic Consequences of Illegal Migration, Pt. 4: Rhetorical Slights of Hand | Center for Immigration Studies

The Border Surge Is Much More than a Humanitarian Issue | Center for Immigration Studies

I am not stealing anything from nobody.

That is our government that takes your taxes and uses them for this, not me.

You constantly put man's philosophy, traditions, and financial matters before what our Lord said.

Now you are blaming illegal immigrants on the reason jobs for blacks are getting lower, jobs for all citizens not just blacks are getting harder to come by.
But blame the companies that hire them, not them.

The biggest thing I see with you is that you and others have misplaced and misguided blame. As Christians we should not be playing the blame game, because we all have faults.

The system, and high jobs operate should be to blame.


I will pose the same question to you that I gave to another;

Do you blame God for the sin you committed because He made you and what led you to sin ?

If no, because the sin committed is your fault. Why do you blame others for the fault in the system ?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

169 illegal aliens convicted of homocide were released by the Obama Administration back onto the street last year. The nations where they have citizenship said they didn't want them. So, of course, the liberals let them run free back to their street gangs here in the U.S.. And, that's just the ones they knew about.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/21/dhs-law-release-154-immigrants-murder-convictions/

 

[A_Friend_In_Christ]

What can be done?

 

[kennethcadwell]

Immigration becomes a heated topic as Obama gives deadline for congress to get a bill drawn up and put up for vote before end of year, or he will pass his own immigration reform bill.
This stir up is to see how what was recently known as a do nothing congress do to republicans refusing to vote on bills that are very important subjects in our economy today, to see if this new group will step up and act.

Instead so far the new group is complaining again, and threatening impeachment or a government shut down again. The republicans would be better off to get something done rather then to continue arguing and threatening shutdown again. Arguing and shutdown just proves they are not willing to negotiate and get stuff done still.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

They are going to get something done. They're going to stop you liberals from displacing more U.S. constituents from our ailing domestic labor market, driving up deficit spending for illegal aliens further on social services, etc... You have to put out the fire before you can repair the house... lol.

The Fiscal Burden of Illegal Immigration on U.S. Taxpayers (2010)

Join NumbersUSA and become part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

Immigration becomes a heated topic as Obama gives deadline for congress to get a bill drawn up and put up for vote before end of year, or he will pass his own immigration reform bill.
This stir up is to see how what was recently known as a do nothing congress do to republicans refusing to vote on bills that are very important subjects in our economy today, to see if this new group will step up and act.

Instead so far the new group is complaining again, and threatening impeachment or a government shut down again. The republicans would be better off to get something done rather then to continue arguing and threatening shutdown again. Arguing and shutdown just proves they are not willing to negotiate and get stuff done still.

 

[Human]

AgeOfKNowledge, if I may:

"Scholars estimate that immigration is the reason for one-third of the drop in employment among black men, and even some of the increase in incarceration.

If there's a young black man, where I live, who's good with his hands and wants to become a carpenter, which is more likely to help him achieve that goal -- amnesty and more immigration, or enforcement and less immigration? The correct answer is less immigration.

I feel this fails to take into account the particular socioeconomic constructs that are already in place. If, for instance, a country demands that an immigrant who wants a job have a social security number and a specific sum of money in their bank accounts, alongside either a trade qualification or academic degree, then immigration is selective and helps boost the economy of the country in question. Even of the young black man looses out to an immigrant, the economy benefits, as does the young black man's opportunities, as more money is available in the government coffers to subsidize his education. Such immigration laws are necessary to sustain the growth in population (and thus subdivision of already approved social funds for education of children and the like). But, in a society wherein trade is often non pecunia, considerations such as these are often irrelevant, at least as far as monetary concerns go. There are people who offer alternative social models that take into account the population boost of the last twenty years and its eventual result; the collapse of the fiat economy, but as most are at least in part based on Marx's Communist Manifesto, I feel they're judged by the association rather than the merit of their content. I don't believe there's an intrinsic reason to base our policy on the availability of fiat currency except that fiat currency is an accepted 'must-have' among the general public who are generally not educated enough in how it works to understand what alternatives might be established. What I've seen is that the price of monetary prosperity in one place is monetary poverty in another.

I intend to go on to my Master's Degree in Sociology and Global Change once my undergraduate is finished, and the deconstruction of the fiat currency model is likely to be the topic of my thesis, simply because I believe it directly results in the impoverishment of people, no-matter the policy in place surrounding it. Every single country with a currency has a degree of poverty, some obviously more severely than others. Part of the reason for that is the idea in society that wealth should be acceptably equative with power; the richer should rule the poorer.

We are at our base an elitist species, if we are to take our current socioeconomic paradigm as a judge of our intrinsic human philosophy, but I will argue that it is not our true nature.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Obamacare offers firms $3,000 incentive to hire illegals over native-born workers: Obama amnesty, Obamacare clash: Businesses have $3,000 incentive to hire illegals - Washington Times

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

One of the benefits of the U.S. broken immigration system is that the corrupt governments in Mexico and Central America don't have to reform themselves. They can just dump on the U.S.. So it's not surprising that Mexico and Central America are thanking Obama for this and expressing delight that their citizens aren't coming back to force them to reform what they are doing. Illegal immigration is an unhealthy codependency that manifests as a double negative injuring all countries involved.

Mexico and Central America Thank Obama For Amnesty Decree

 

[kennethcadwell]

One of the benefits of the U.S. broken immigration system is that the corrupt governments in Mexico and Central America don't have to reform themselves. They can just dump on the U.S.. So it's not surprising that Mexico and Central America are thanking Obama for this and expressing delight that their citizens aren't coming back to force them to reform what they are doing. Illegal immigration is an unhealthy codependency that manifests as a double negative injuring all countries involved.

Mexico and Central America Thank Obama For Amnesty Decree

So we are to sit back and just treat these people, who are fleeing their bad countries to come here, like crap ?
And yet those who come here legally from other countries get tax free grants that none of us who live here get ?

I have met plenty of foreigners that have come over here legally from other countries, that just for coming here was given a tax free grant to start a business. One was a landlord I had, not only did he own three gas stations, but also owned 5 houses he rented out. All purchased by him do to grant money given to him freely by our government.
He does not have to pay those grants back, is given tax free for first 10 years of his business, and he did not have to put up collateral of any kind to get this.