Immigration a big issue.

[kennethcadwell]

No what I do is not let mans philosophy, or mans troubles/issues interfere with the Lord our Gods word.

Spending to much time focusing on blaming ( casting stones ) this person or that is not what our Lord wants us to do.
We are instead called by our Lord to show love in all situations, and to all.
We are not to resist helping a person even if they are considered an enemy, or just because we have problems of our own.

If you only have a half a loaf of bread to live on for a couple weeks, would you not if a hungry, homeless knocked on your door give him a slice to eat?

People focus on and worry to much about our own problems, and in return turn down helping others which is not what our Lord said. Jesus said not to worry ( For worry is a sin ), and the bible says not to let personal problems keep you from helping others.


Why is worry a sin, because if you worry about something it means you have no trust that our Lord will get you through it.

The problem Kenneth is that you're unloving because you act negligently and
irresponsibly making the problem WORSE not better... a fact you appear to be blind to even though it's clearly and carefully being explained to you.

You use a heavily indebted government to steal from other people to create a bigger problem that will be unsupportable in the foreseeable future and then you falsely bear false witness against everyone who knows better and is already busy supporting missionaries and programs abroad to fix the root problems (instead of simply robbing others to feed the problems and make them worse as you advocate).

Jesus Christ never took control of Israel's government and forcibly taxed the Israelites to hand out money to illegal aliens so they could sell dope through gangs in Israel. That's Kenneth's best thinking. Jesus, of course, never did that.

The very ones you're calling goats understand the situation and have been busy for decades working to fix it at the point of origin. See Kenneth, they are busy following Christ's example instead of the nonsense you wrongly advocate.

The problem is that people like yourself, ensure it never gets fixed but only worsens and grows. You're creating a worse problem and then, in a very unchristen manner, wrongly lashing out at God's sheep.

Take a closer look at yourself in the mirror Kenneth:

^ Ignorance, self-deception, irresponsibility, etc... are not Christ like qualities.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I do think Kennethcaldwell, that we have common ground. This issue just isn't one of them. But I see a spark in you.

 

[Sirk]

The only way to help others is to first help yourself. If you try save a person from drowning but are an inadequate swimmer.....you will both drown. We are not holding our elected officials to their responsibilities and we are drowning ourselves. Taking on millions of illegals will only hasten the process. I believe that God will provide the smelling salt to awaken us from our slumber.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Whether quickly (e.g. deadly disease pandemic) or slowly (socio-economic collapse): it's coming.

I believe that God will provide the smelling salt to awaken us from our slumber.

 

[kennethcadwell]

I do think Kennethcaldwell, that we have common ground. This issue just isn't one of them. But I see a spark in you.

Yes we do, and like I said before I thank you for showing the other side of the debate.

There is nothing wrong with looking at both sides of an argument or debate, as long as we don't let one side cloud us over the full truth. If we only look at things from one side it causes anger or deception about the other.

Examples:

How many people have for years totally refrained and still argue against marijuana usage, even though we know there is medical usages for it and even the bible/history mentions usage for it.
( They let the lies the media has placed out their on laced marijuana blind them to the good uses for it. )

Prisoners of certain crimes ( murder, sex offenses, and others )
Media tells us that these are all monsters that will always continue to repeat these type of crimes.
Truth is if you actually look into it for yourself you will find out some of these so called monsters are one time offenders that just made a mistake, others are not child preying creeps they are made out to be, and also that if these people actually get help; programs, ministering that some of them do change.

But media and other sources will have you believe the one side bias they report to keep people in fear and hatred towards them instead of telling the truth which will lead to helping and showing love to these individuals.

 

[Sirk]

Whether quickly (e.g. deadly disease pandemic) or slowly (socio-economic collapse): it's coming.

Or both. You not only have the obvious things......war, debt, famine, immorality...but you also have the unpredictable things that God tends to use to facilitate His ordering of things. Like geological upheaval as well as solar system events. Something big is afoot....and the pangs of birth are ever increasing.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Let's not get carried way... lol. I've never met someone who smoked dope for "medicinal" purposes: just a lot of people that claimed too.

Here's some of them: LiveLeak.com - young festival hippies

LOL! POTHEADS!

They fooled themselves but they never fooled me. Here's the truth Kenneth:

The Medical 'Benefits' of THC and Smoking Marijuana (Cannabis): a Review of the Current Scientific Literature

Can Christians Use Marijuana (Cannabis) and Other Drugs? Is Smoking Weed a Sin?

How many people have for years totally refrained and still argue against marijuana usage, even though we know there is medical usages for it and even the bible/history mentions usage for it.

 

[Sirk]

Let's not get carried way... lol. I've never met someone who smoked dope for "medicinal" purposes: just a lot of people that claimed too.

Here's some of them: LiveLeak.com - young festival hippies

LOL! POTHEADS!

They fooled themselves but they never fooled me. Here's the truth Kenneth:

The Medical 'Benefits' of THC and Smoking Marijuana (Cannabis): a Review of the Current Scientific Literature

Can Christians Use Marijuana (Cannabis) and Other Drugs? Is Smoking Weed a Sin?

There are definitely uses for byproducts of hemp. However, smoking weed fries your brain.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Addicts lives revolve around their drug(s) of choice. Few seem aware of it, however, even when they are in the midst of drug seeking behaviors.

I've watched many regular marijuana users abruptly denied their drug of choice. They engage in every one of the typical addict drug seeking behaviors and display a fair number of symptoms of addiction minus the physical withdrawal symptoms, of course.

Read this study: http://jn.sfn.org/press/April-16-2014-Issue/zns01614005529.pdf

There are definitely uses for byproducts of hemp. However, smoking weed fries your brain.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

"The results of this study indicate that in young, recreational marijuana users, structural abnormalities in gray matter density, volume, and shape of the nucleus accumbens and amygdala can be observed.

Pending confirmation in other cohorts of marijuana users, the present findings suggest that further study of marijuana effects are needed to help inform discussion about the legalization of marijuana.

These results extend prior studies showing that drugs of abuse that are known to elevateDArelease are associated with structural abnormalities in the brain and related disruptions in behavior (Makris et al., 2004; Makris et al., 2008).

The multimodal convergence of these findings also points to the salience of structural differences in the brain related to drug exposure and strongly argues that human addiction research, if not all psychiatric study, must move past a predominant focus on neurotransmission."

http://jn.sfn.org/press/April-16-2014-Issue/zns01614005529.pdf

 

[kennethcadwell]

The fact is that their are well documented medical uses for marijuana, and is even prescribed by doctors for these issues. I know a few people who have been prescribed this for different medical uses. Plus I know a few people who have smoked weed just for recreational purpose, one of which was an ex brother in law that I had. He smoked weed like cigarettes, soon as done with one would light up the next one. His brain is not fried, and he even to this day holds a good paying job.

Nobody I have ever been around that has smoked weed has issues from it. The only ones that I have seen have bad side effects from it is ones who laced it with other chemicals or drugs. Straight marijuana did nothing to them accept calm them down, make their concentration better, and take away the pain they was in. Another friend I had when I was in school was making bad grades until he started smoking marijuana then he became a A-B student.

False or bias studies, polls backed and reported by the media have been released to keep people in fear so that they will not look at the good side of things. And marijuana is classified as a herb.

Genesis 1:29 And God said , Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.


Then Paul tells us we can use all things, but how it is used is what makes it a sin.
In 1 Corinthians 10 he says this, and that it may not be helpful or edifying which then makes it wrong. But if it is helpful ( medical, making clothing, or rope ) then it is ok, if it edifies ( making one feel better from an illness/pain ) then again it is not wrong.

We must not let the bad side of something out weigh the good.

TV and Internet can have its advantages when used right, but some also abuse these things which make it a sin.
Anything that becomes the ruler of your life instead of God becomes sin. ( game systems, family, job, pop, water, and anything else if you put it before God becomes sin. )

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Misusing scripture to justify drug addiction is always unscriptural. Since you have chosen to ignore ALL of my links. I'll feed them to you instead. Just pretend they're "pot brownies" Kenneth.

Firstly, the use of marijuana or cannabis extracts for medical treatment has been extensively studied over the last 20 years. Initial enthusiasm for THC as an antiemetic or to reduce intraocular pressure has waned with the advent of new medications that provide superior medical benefits with fewer adverse effects.

^ But they don't get you high on dope Kenneth so, of course, you don't want the alternatives. You just want to get high on dope. That's what it's ALL about.

The main success of THC has been found in patients suffering from AIDS-related wasting syndrome and in some cases in which patients are suffering from intractable pain. However, nearly all of these studies involved the use of controlled doses of purified cannabinoids, bypassing the adverse effects associated with smoking marijuana.

Dr. Robert L. DuPont, Georgetown University School of Medicine, says that most opponents of the medical use of smoked marijuana are not hostile to the medical use of THC, while "most supporters of smoked marijuana are hostile to the use of purified chemicals from marijuana, insisting that only smoked marijuana leaves be used as 'medicine,' revealing clearly that their motivation is not scientific medicine but the back door legalization of marijuana." <-- because they're drug addicts.

Studies examining the efficacy of "medical" marijuana have found that a significant percentage of patients suffer from some form of adverse side effects. In fact, ALL of their brains (even recreational marijuana smokers) are negatively affected. It's a scientific fact that you just push to the side because you're in deep denial and like to get high.

See: http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/95762-immigration-big-issue-8.html#post1639328 and The Medical 'Benefits' of THC and Smoking Marijuana (Cannabis): a Review of the Current Scientific Literature and Can Christians Use Marijuana (Cannabis) and Other Drugs? Is Smoking Weed a Sin?

I know quite a few potheads and it negatively affects their brain in every case. If your brother regularly smokes dope, he's no exception. You obviously live in denial of the truth with respect to this issue too. I'm not surprised. So let's straighten out your theology.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. (Genesis 1:29, KJV)

Potheads are especially fond of the King James version, since it uses the word "herb". However, the Hebrew word is much less specific, having the general meaning "plant," with the root word having the meaning "green." Furthermore, the verse talks about fruit trees, indicating that the real meaning of the verse is about edible plants.

So, the verse makes it clear that God created the plants for us for eating. It doesn't say anything about smoking them!

Here is the more contemporary NASB translation: Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;" (Genesis 1:29, NASB).

Smoking dope negatively affects your brain. All you're doing is misusing scripture to justify your drug addiction. Nothing more.

Potheads don't want the truth. They want the lie because they want (and need) to get HIGH off drugs. That's what it's ALL about with them.

Frontiers | Dare to Delay? The Impacts of Adolescent Alcohol and Marijuana Use Onset on Cognition, Brain Structure, and Function | Addictive Disorders and Behavioral Dyscontrol

Persistent cannabis users show neuropsychological decline from childhood to midlife

Replies to Neuropsychological deficits in long-term frequent cannabis users

https://www.aan.com/PressRoom/home/PressRelease/338

Etc... etc.... etc...

I could post a thousand careful controlled scholarly scientific studies from the best scholarly publications on the planet showing that smoking and eating marijuana is BAD for you but EVERY pothead will still say it's all a giant a conspiracy and that the magic weed is the answer to all the world's problems. Why? Because they're addicts who need their dope!

The fact is that their are well documented medical uses for marijuana, and is even prescribed by doctors for these issues. I know a few people who have been prescribed this for different medical uses. Plus I know a few people who have smoked weed just for recreational purpose, one of which was an ex brother in law that I had. He smoked weed like cigarettes, soon as done with one would light up the next one. His brain is not fried, and he even to this day holds a good paying job.

Nobody I have ever been around that has smoked weed has issues from it. The only ones that I have seen have bad side effects from it is ones who laced it with other chemicals or drugs. Straight marijuana did nothing to them accept calm them down, make their concentration better, and take away the pain they was in. Another friend I had when I was in school was making bad grades until he started smoking marijuana then he became a A-B student.

False or bias studies, polls backed and reported by the media have been released to keep people in fear so that they will not look at the good side of things. And marijuana is classified as a herb.

Genesis 1:29 And God said , Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.


Then Paul tells us we can use all things, but how it is used is what makes it a sin.
In 1 Corinthians 10 he says this, and that it may not be helpful or edifying which then makes it wrong. But if it is helpful ( medical, making clothing, or rope ) then it is ok, if it edifies ( making one feel better from an illness/pain ) then again it is not wrong.

We must not let the bad side of something out weigh the good.

TV and Internet can have its advantages when used right, but some also abuse these things which make it a sin.
Anything that becomes the ruler of your life instead of God becomes sin. ( game systems, family, job, pop, water, and anything else if you put it before God becomes sin. )

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

But back to the topic. I wasn't kidding Kenneth when I said you're taking the food out of the mouths of your neighbor's children to pass out to illegal aliens:

[video=youtube_share;FBQSCQcfY18]http://youtu.be/FBQSCQcfY18[/video]

Imagine when the welfare dries up as the interest payments on the mounting debt eat into the federal budget. So irresponsible. So stupid. So unnecessary. Smoke another "fatty" Kenneth and float off to pretend land.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Really I take the food out of the mouths of children. My kids still eat good even though I help others who need help.
It is the system that doesn't work properly, not me wanting to help that is not proper.


Once again blame the system for how it works, not the ones who want to help based on how our Lord told us to help.

 

[kennethcadwell]

Misusing scripture to justify drug addiction is always unscriptural. Since you have chosen to ignore ALL of my links. I'll feed them to you instead. Just pretend they're "pot brownies" Kenneth.

Firstly, the use of marijuana or cannabis extracts for medical treatment has been extensively studied over the last 20 years. Initial enthusiasm for THC as an antiemetic or to reduce intraocular pressure has waned with the advent of new medications that provide superior medical benefits with fewer adverse effects.

^ But they don't get you high on dope Kenneth so, of course, you don't want the alternatives. You just want to get high on dope. That's what it's ALL about.

The main success of THC has been found in patients suffering from AIDS-related wasting syndrome and in some cases in which patients are suffering from intractable pain. However, nearly all of these studies involved the use of controlled doses of purified cannabinoids, bypassing the adverse effects associated with smoking marijuana.

Dr. Robert L. DuPont, Georgetown University School of Medicine, says that most opponents of the medical use of smoked marijuana are not hostile to the medical use of THC, while "most supporters of smoked marijuana are hostile to the use of purified chemicals from marijuana, insisting that only smoked marijuana leaves be used as 'medicine,' revealing clearly that their motivation is not scientific medicine but the back door legalization of marijuana." <-- because they're drug addicts.

Studies examining the efficacy of "medical" marijuana have found that a significant percentage of patients suffer from some form of adverse side effects. In fact, ALL of their brains (even recreational marijuana smokers) are negatively affected. It's a scientific fact that you just push to the side because you're in deep denial and like to get high.

See: http://christianchat.com/christian-news-forum/95762-immigration-big-issue-8.html#post1639328 and The Medical 'Benefits' of THC and Smoking Marijuana (Cannabis): a Review of the Current Scientific Literature and Can Christians Use Marijuana (Cannabis) and Other Drugs? Is Smoking Weed a Sin?

I know quite a few potheads and it negatively affects their brain in every case. If your brother regularly smokes dope, he's no exception. You obviously live in denial of the truth with respect to this issue too. I'm not surprised. So let's straighten out your theology.

And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. (Genesis 1:29, KJV)

Potheads are especially fond of the King James version, since it uses the word "herb". However, the Hebrew word is much less specific, having the general meaning "plant," with the root word having the meaning "green." Furthermore, the verse talks about fruit trees, indicating that the real meaning of the verse is about edible plants.

So, the verse makes it clear that God created the plants for us for eating. It doesn't say anything about smoking them!

Here is the more contemporary NASB translation: Then God said, "Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the surface of all the earth, and every tree which has fruit yielding seed; it shall be food for you;" (Genesis 1:29, NASB).

Smoking dope negatively affects your brain. All you're doing is misusing scripture to justify your drug addiction. Nothing more.

Potheads don't want the truth. They want the lie because they want (and need) to get HIGH off drugs. That's what it's ALL about with them.

Frontiers | Dare to Delay? The Impacts of Adolescent Alcohol and Marijuana Use Onset on Cognition, Brain Structure, and Function | Addictive Disorders and Behavioral Dyscontrol

Persistent cannabis users show neuropsychological decline from childhood to midlife

Replies to Neuropsychological deficits in long-term frequent cannabis users

https://www.aan.com/PressRoom/home/PressRelease/338

Etc... etc.... etc...

I could post a thousand careful controlled scholarly scientific studies from the best scholarly publications on the planet showing that smoking and eating marijuana is BAD for you but EVERY pothead will still say it's all a giant a conspiracy and that the magic weed is the answer to all the world's problems. Why? Because they're addicts who need their dope!

I don't misuse scripture to condone drug abuse. That would be your words.

What I use scripture for is to show that if something is used in the proper manner it is not wrong or abusive.
Instance drinking alcohol is not wrong, abusing it to get drunk is wrong.
Before you debate this, go back and you will see in the bible a lot of them drank wine which is a alcoholic beverage. It was not till they got drunk off it that it became a sin.
A glass of wine a day is proven to have healthy medical advantages. Just like hemp as medical usages.


Used for medical, or making clothing with it would not be abusive of it.
Using it for the fun of it just to get high would be abuse, and would be a sin. I only made the comment about being around a lot of people in my life that smoked it recreational, to show that it did not fry their brain sells like those false studies have reported through out the years to keep people afraid of it.


Even though smoking it for the purpose just to get high is abuse and thus a sin, which I do not condone.
True facts speak that more people die from cigarette and alcohol related deaths, then marijuana. Yet these two bad products are legal for usage, but as of yet in most states the other is not.


Like I said before I do not condone drug abuse/addiction. Just like I said before also though, anything can become ones addiction. If you believe you can not live with out tv, video games, phone, radio, or anything else that also would be an addiction and thus be sin.

How about this, do you believe you can live with out money ? We are put in a position were we are forced to have to have money to live, and therefor put an emphasis on it that we can not live with out it. ( Becomes sin )

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

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[Atwood]

Used for medical, or making clothing with it would not be abusive of it.
Using it for the fun of it just to get high would be abuse, and would be a sin.

I am unaware of any scripture against having fun. God gave us all things richly to enjoy.
As to MJ, smoking it is bad for the health.
I don't know of any medical use, as cannabis is available via medical Rx in non-smoking form.
Hemp is basically the same plant, but a hemp variety would be cultivated for its fiber quality, not for having high amounts of cannabis.

As to wine: A little wine for the stomach's sake & thine oft infirmity.

I suppose this has something to do with the southern invasion?

 

[Atwood]

It is hard to believe how Kenneth continues misapplying Mat 25, a passage that has to do with the Tribulation & how gentile sheep & goats treat Christ's brethren in the time of trouble right before He returns to take over planet earth. The passage is not saying that bums on the street or persons in prison are Christ's brethren, for crying outloud.

Matthew 25:31-40When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

( Those who do this go to eternal life, those who do not in the next verses 41-45 go to ever lasting punishment. )

 

[Atwood]

You reckon after the invaders take over the USA they will allow the "anglos" to live in reservations?

Honestly I think we are watching a people be dispossessed of their land a la Leviticus 18 where certain persons practicing abominations experience the land vomiting them out.

 

[kennethcadwell]

It is hard to believe how Kenneth continues misapplying Mat 25, a passage that has to do with the Tribulation & how gentile sheep & goats treat Christ's brethren in the time of trouble right before He returns to take over planet earth. The passage is not saying that bums on the street or persons in prison are Christ's brethren, for crying outloud.

You say bums on the street, but our Lords word says to help the poor and homeless. ( edify them )

Then you say people in prison are not Gods people, but our Lords word says that we are to go to them and minister to them and by doing so we may save a couple of them by getting them to turn away from their evil ways.

Not helping the poor or homeless ( the ones you call bums ), or not helping those who are in prison by not going and ministering to them is direct avoidance of our Lords word to do these things.

We are never told not to help in certain circumstances. How they got homeless, poor, or in prison is not a reason to refuse help to them.

Matthew 25 is not for the tribulation, it is what happens at the judgment seat. Ones that say they believe in Jesus stand before Him, and He divides them as the sheep and the goats. The sheep He tells come to eternal life for helping others that were in need ( because the doing for others is the same as doing for Him ). The goats He says go away to eternal punishment for not helping those in need.