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oh sarah.
didn't you get the memo?

Newt informed us all the palestinians are a made-up people!
they didn't exist!

tsk...get a (non)-reality check would ya?:cool:
arg.
You mean there is a memo? I will have to check in my in box,not sure I got it. (Maybe it's by the one about Santa,the Easter Bunny,the Tooth Fairy and ET's) :p
 

zone

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That's a really nasty thing to say. You're implying that I don't love Jesus. It's wrong to make such an accusation about a person.

I feel for the lost... the Jews, Palestinians and anyone that doesn't know Jesus, so your comment is really uncalled for.

Don't twist what I say and claim to know what I believe or feel, because you are very wrong.
i saw you say UNFORTUNATLEY the Palestinians....

thats all i need to know about people who call themselves Christians

dont bother telling me you dont support this. because if you support Israel, you support this.






Dear Lebanese/Palestinian/Arab/Muslim/Christians – Kids,
Die with love.

Yours,
Israeli Kids
 

zone

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The list is endless for the reasons why the Palestinians are upset. Can you imagine how you would feel if the same happened in the US and the powerful countries ignored your plight and protected the oppressor.

“In our country there is room only for the Jews. We shall say to the Arabs: Get out! If they don’t agree, if they resist, we shall drive them out by force.”
-- Professor Ben-Zion Dinur, Israel’s First Minister of Education, 1954, from History of the Haganah.


“Till then everyone in Israel spoke about Arabs who had just run away in 1948, but there existed no real historical research on it. There were two conflicting propaganda versions, one Arab and another Jewish. As one who received his education in Israel, I thought I knew that the Arabs had ‘run away.’ But I knew nothing else. The Jewish generations of 1948, however, knew the truth and deliberately misrepresented it. They knew there were plenty of mass deportations, massacres and rapes . . . . The soldiers and the officials knew, but they suppressed what they knew and were deliberately disseminating lies.”
-- Israeli Historian Benny Morris in an interview with Rami Tal published in Israeli Daily Yediot Ahronot, December 1994.


All of the killed, with very few exceptions, were old men, women or children. The dead we found were all unjust victims, and none of them had died with a weapon in their hands.”
-- Eliyahu Arieli, Haganah member who arrived at Deir Yassin shortly after the massacre, O Jerusalem, Collins and Lapierre, 1972.


“Indiscriminate plundering of Palestinian property by Jews [in 1948] was so common that it caused Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion to confide to his diary that he was ‘bitterly surprised’ by the ‘mass robbery’ in which all parts of the population participated. [...] Tom Segev reported: ‘In Haifa, Jaffa and Jerusalem there were many civilians among the looters.’ Another Israeli writer, Moshe Smilanky, reported: ‘Individuals, groups and communities, men, women and children, all fell on the spoils. Doors, windows, lintels, brinks, roof-tiles, floor-tiles, junk and machine parts ...’ Segev commented that Smilansky ‘could have also added to the list toilet bowls, sinks, faucets and light bulbs.’”
-- p.68 of Fallen Pillars by Donald Neff.

I hardly see these as the actions of a chosen people. It was the introduction of corruption to the land by Europeans that converted to Judaism.

we dont care what the facts are you antisemite.


[video=youtube;D0kWAqZxJVE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE[/video]

"Anti-semitic, its a trick we always use it"
 

JaumeJ

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2Ti 2:4 No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.

Political endeavor usually is implicit of personal views or an agenda. We all have both, this is not an accusation. As for bringing these in to the forum as such should not be practiced. For instance, I love the Jews, no reason in particular, I just love them. This does not detract from my love of the rest of mankind, and this includes all Palestinians. Do I believe the Palestinians have the "right to exist?" Who makes up these terms anyway? Of course all mankind is eligible for salvation in Yeshua, and judgment unto eternal damnation is forbiden by teaching from above and by the law of Love. When our Father moves on the Middle East it will be self-evident, but to be involved in the human workings of politics there now is groping and grasping in and at darkness. Any child of the Most High God loves without being influenced by such temporal details.
We know what causes wars in this world, be they internal conflict or outright international wars, we covet and we cannot obtain. Let us not get on anyone's bandwagon, rather let us pray for all our fellows.
 

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i saw you say UNFORTUNATLEY the Palestinians....

thats all i need to know about people who call themselves Christians

dont bother telling me you dont support this. because if you support Israel, you support this.

Dear Lebanese/Palestinian/Arab/Muslim/Christians – Kids,
Die with love.

Yours,
Israeli Kids
Again, you twist everything I say. I was saying that it would be unfortunate if Jerusalem was handed over to the Palestinians. Where did you read me stating that I hate Palestinians? Nowhere, because never did I say that.

You make things up in your own head as you choose, you make assumptions and judge my heart and what I believe, which is wrong. "People who call themselves Christians" - need I make comment on that? What do you seek to gain from making such a statement? Division? To show hatred? Does it make you feel better? If so, why does this make you feel better? Some things to think about.

If you are born again like me then we are spiritual family. So why is it you attack me? To throw accusations at me is not very "christian" like in my opinion.
 
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Do you believe then that it is God that will put the chosen people in Israel when the time is right rather than the Western World forcibly shoving in some Europeans ?

Have you ever read the OT? How many times did God forcably insert isreal (or any people) into a land? Remember God told them to KILL all people, animals and livestock. and they did not do as God commanded, and Saul lost his kingdom, And Israel were never in peace? but entangled with the foreign gods of the nations whome they disobeyed God with?

God will do what he wants. Who are we to argue? if he uses other nations, thats up to him.

Not saying this is what happened. just trying to show you your logic is flawed, because God always did this.
 
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That's a really nasty thing to say. You're implying that I don't love Jesus. It's wrong to make such an accusation about a person.

I feel for the lost... the Jews, Palestinians and anyone that doesn't know Jesus, so your comment is really uncalled for.

Don't twist what I say and claim to know what I believe or feel, because you are very wrong.
I see she is doing it to you too.. Better to just swipe it to the side.

don't ya get it? it is evil for anyone to help a people. but perfectly fine to have innocent women and kids blow themselves up and kill other palestinians just to get a few jews.. or to launch a nuke into Isreal and kill many palestinians in the process.. just to kill some jews..

as long as we can kill some jews. it does not matter how many arabs we kill..

but how dare anyone stick up for Isreal.
 
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we dont care what the facts are you antisemite.


[video=youtube;D0kWAqZxJVE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0kWAqZxJVE[/video]

"Anti-semitic, its a trick we always use it"
My MIL, whose parents emigrated here, and were Hungarian/Romanian, used to get a teensy bit upset that no one talked about the gypsy (Roma) people who were slaughtered, too.
Oh, well.
Guess they're just not God's chosen.

 
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My MIL, whose parents emigrated here, and were Hungarian/Romanian, used to get a teensy bit upset that no one talked about the gypsy (Roma) people who were slaughtered, too.
Oh, well.
Guess they're just not God's chosen.

anyone who gets slaughtered in the name of religion (which is basically what naziism was) is wrong. and they should all be spoken of..
 

zone

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Again, you twist everything I say. I was saying that it would be unfortunate if Jerusalem was handed over to the Palestinians. Where did you read me stating that I hate Palestinians? Nowhere, because never did I say that.

You make things up in your own head as you choose, you make assumptions and judge my heart and what I believe, which is wrong. "People who call themselves Christians" - need I make comment on that? What do you seek to gain from making such a statement? Division? To show hatred? Does it make you feel better? If so, why does this make you feel better? Some things to think about.

If you are born again like me then we are spiritual family. So why is it you attack me? To throw accusations at me is not very "christian" like in my opinion.
okay.....explain this Katy - perhaps i misunderstood you:

"I was saying that it would be unfortunate if Jerusalem was handed over to the Palestinians."

tell me why it would be unfortunate.

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as for why i make that and other statements, i'll say it yet again:

Christians who do not hold in the hearts, and expect from other Christians a level playing field for ALL (without exception) unbelievers have erred along the way and need to examine why they have delegitimized one peoples, and idolized another group.

why have some christians granted a license to freely commit unspeakable crimes against humanity and call this a holy people approved by God - when the same christians would never in a million years approve of the same behavior from any other nation or people group.

can you explain that to me?

i refuse to turn a blind eye to israeli crimes (across the globe). you are free to ignore it, or excuse it.
i would expect christians to either stay out of a carnal war between a world of unbelievers - or explain their approval of, and/or support for the actions and unaccountability of one group.



as for this:

"What do you seek to gain from making such a statement?
Division? To show hatred?
So why is it you attack me?
To throw accusations at me is not very "christian" like in my opinion."

what?
you don't want to be held accountable for your convictions and what you approve of in God's Name?

let's see what this looks like:

What do you seek to gain from making such a statement as "it would be unfortunate if Jerusalem was handed over to the Palestinians"?
Division among unregenerate men and within the church of Christ?
To show hatred towards one group over another (or at least passively approve of the hatred of one group toward another)?
So why is it you feel attacked by anyone who insists that Israel be held accountable for all its barbarism?
To throw accusations at Palestinians or anyone who 'disses' "Israel" (whom you think is the people of God) is not very "christian" like in my opinion.

there's that word "Christian" again
exactly what are christians doing in this world?
are we here to bless Israel so we can be blessed?
 

Drett

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Have you ever read the OT? How many times did God forcably insert isreal (or any people) into a land? Remember God told them to KILL all people, animals and livestock. and they did not do as God commanded, and Saul lost his kingdom, And Israel were never in peace? but entangled with the foreign gods of the nations whome they disobeyed God with?

God will do what he wants. Who are we to argue? if he uses other nations, thats up to him.

Not saying this is what happened. just trying to show you your logic is flawed, because God always did this.
I have read the bible many times but I am sure there are people here that have read it a lot more than me.

No worries, just interested in what you believe. From what I have learnt God did not allow the chosen people into the promised land until they were worthy. That is why they wandered the desert for 40 years. I see the current bunch there raping and plundering their way through Palestinians settlement, breaking all God's commandment and I think they are not worthy. My opinion.
 
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I have read the bible many times but I am sure there are people here that have read it a lot more than me.

No worries, just interested in what you believe. From what I have learnt God did not allow the chosen people into the promised land until they were worthy. That is why they wandered the desert for 40 years. I see the current bunch there raping and plundering their way through Palestinians settlement, breaking all God's commandment and I think they are not worthy. My opinion.

yes. and I agree with this, he punished them for their unbelief. and continued disobedience.

he also waited until the "sin of the inhabitants" had been complete before he allowed them to take the land.

I do not believe current isreal is in the land because they have repented.. now the way they are trying to take it (2 wrongs do not make a right) but i do believe certain things have to happen for the prophesies of the end of the age to occure.. one is a temple must be rebuilt so someone can abominate it..

is that part of Gods plan in doing what he is doing over there today? only time will tell.
 

zone

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I see she is doing it to you too.. Better to just swipe it to the side.

don't ya get it? it is evil for anyone to help a people. but perfectly fine to have innocent women and kids blow themselves up and kill other palestinians just to get a few jews.. or to launch a nuke into Isreal and kill many palestinians in the process.. just to kill some jews..

as long as we can kill some jews. it does not matter how many arabs we kill..

but how dare anyone stick up for Isreal.
document all above the above allegations.

against me, and against palestinians (or whoever you are talking about), especially this: "to launch a nuke into Isreal and kill many palestinians in the process.. just to kill some jews.."

you're just filled with resentment and pride because your childish theology and wooden dispensationalism has been shown to be unbiblical and merely paperback quality. you don't like that...oh well.

sorry for you.
only you can pull yourself out the corner you've painted yourself into.

here's my email if you ever get it, and want to apologize: [email protected]

anyone who gets slaughtered in the name of religion (which is basically what naziism was) is wrong. and they should all be spoken of..
but how dare anyone stick up for Isreal.
ahem....:rolleyes: *cough*



what's with the nazi card?
is that all you have?

never anything about all the hundreds of millions of others killed....and whatever you do, never ever connect Israel to any of it.....these things don't really matter to christian zionists.

in fact, these people watch a little CNN and say uh-huh, ya for nuking everybody Israel wants to.

still have not taken time off to go learn real history EG, particularly about WW2?
Q: do you believe people were made into soap or lampshades?
Q: did you know holocaust historians admitted decades ago that was all bogus and made up?

say what? didn't know a ton of myths have already been acknowledged as MYTH, even by the National Holocaust Shrine in DC?

why bother with hisotry, really...this way is just so PC and easy...plus if you found out real history, you'd have to cry and repent of all the ungodly things you've approved of cuz ya don't unnerstand the scriptures.
and that's awful...that repentance.

but you never listen to anyone EG!
not even jews who know what up.:rolleyes:



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is Finklelstein antisemitic?:rolleyes:
eh....
 

zone

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i do believe certain things have to happen for the prophesies of the end of the age to occure.. one is a temple must be rebuilt so someone can abominate it..

is that part of Gods plan in doing what he is doing over there today? only time will tell.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
show a third temple in scripture EG.

ever asked yourself why a third temple would NOT ITSELF be an abomination?

John 2:19
Jesus answered them, "Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days."

Acts 6:14
For we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place and change the customs Moses handed down to us."








INSERT 2000 year mystery gap where God changes His mind and wants another temple for someone to abominate.
not recorded anywhere, but we believe and teach it.




Revelation 21
22And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. 23And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb. 24By its light will the nations walk, and the kings of the earth will bring their glory into it, 25and its gates will never be shut by day—and there will be no night there. 26They will bring into it the glory and the honor of the nations. 27But nothing unclean will ever enter it, nor anyone who does what is detestable or false, but only those who are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
 

Drett

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I still feel people rather ignore the murders and rapes that are occurring in Palestine. The people that represent you are allowing it to happen. Doing nothing about it means you are giving your government approval. Look below we have Israeli soldier killing pregnant women and cutting their babies out of their stomach. You need to do something about it.

In the early hours of the morning [Sabra and Shatila witness testimony], about 16-17 armed soldiers entered her home and shot her husband, brother and cousin dead in front of her and children. She related that militia entered homes and shot at everyone including children and animals.

“Along the way to the stadium, I saw my cousin’s daughter who was pregnant lying dead. The murderers had opened her body and taken out her baby and put the baby on her. The child was dead as well. She was lying on the street.”

“Along the street there were a lot of dead bodies. Hundreds of bodies were strewn all over. We climbed a hill to the stadium. At the nearest houses I could see bodies of children. Between the houses, which had been half destroyed, there were bodies of men, and also women and children and animals.”


Israeli War Crimes against Palestine: Witness Testimonies, page 1
 
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Obama shows them support, but yet reveals his real agenda.

"Make no mistake.. those who adhere to the ideology of rejecting Israel's right to exist, they might as well reject the earth beneath them or the sky above, because Israel's not going anywhere"

"Given the demographics west of the Jordan river, the only way for Israel to endure and thrive as a Jewish and democratic state is through the realization of an independent and viable Palestine"

Joel 3:2: "And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land"

This Joel scripture says that a Palestinian state will become a reality.

(By the way, Obama is a figure head, just because he's in the spotlight does not mean he's the one that comes up with these agendas)

[video=youtube_share;EjiLcl6WGBQ]http://youtu.be/EjiLcl6WGBQ[/video]
The idea of ' my land' goes further than physical land. 'my Lands' are 'the places that God has ownership of'. We have free will, so his 'ownership' of us goes as far as our willingness to let him become as our state of mind. Although he 'owns' the earth in our sense, many humans don't 'allow him authority' in their actions and words and thoughts.

Isreal is also a name given to the person who 'strives with God' instead of 'Jacob' who 'clings to heels' or 'supplants' (has by force). The Israeli nation of today is 'having by force'.

Biblical Israel has never been about a piece of land to me. For me It is about people 'dividing up' the true nature in which we are to be in; striving toward God. They are taking what they wish and leaving the other parts. 'Supplanting'.

For instance; a country who 'professes' faith in God, or to be a 'Christian' or 'Jewish' nation, yet condones war.

'Oh yea, I'm really faithful, but war is an exception'.

There is no reason that Palestine shouldn't have freedom from Israel. The people want to be an independent state. I see no issue with that except the one that 'Israel' creates.

Jacob 'forced' his brother to give up his birthright, which he saw as 'ok', but it was not a 'righteous' action in the true sense.

Then he 'overcame' the spirit of human nature and instead 'strived with God'. Hence his name was thereforward 'Israel'.
 
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zone

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I still feel people rather ignore the murders and rapes that are occurring in Palestine. The people that represent you are allowing it to happen. Doing nothing about it means you are giving your government approval. Look below we have Israeli soldier killing pregnant women and cutting their babies out of their stomach. You need to do something about it.

In the early hours of the morning [Sabra and Shatila witness testimony], about 16-17 armed soldiers entered her home and shot her husband, brother and cousin dead in front of her and children. She related that militia entered homes and shot at everyone including children and animals.

“Along the way to the stadium, I saw my cousin’s daughter who was pregnant lying dead. The murderers had opened her body and taken out her baby and put the baby on her. The child was dead as well. She was lying on the street.”

“Along the street there were a lot of dead bodies. Hundreds of bodies were strewn all over. We climbed a hill to the stadium. At the nearest houses I could see bodies of children. Between the houses, which had been half destroyed, there were bodies of men, and also women and children and animals.”


Israeli War Crimes against Palestine: Witness Testimonies, page 1
oh no!
we are supposed to bless the State of Israel or God will curse us!
didn't ya get the Rabbinic Judaism leavened Scofield Bible John Hagee MEMO?
 

Drett

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oh no!
we are supposed to bless the State of Israel or God will curse us!
didn't ya get the Rabbinic Judaism leavened Scofield Bible John Hagee MEMO?
Man I really need to get with the program. :)