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This is my entire point. "We" seem to be too preoccupied with a desire for vengeance (or too stupid?) to see that since we began our great crusade to crush these creatures.... the rate of offences has probably tripled, and is still steadily rising.
To put it plainly, What we are doing is not working. Not only that, but it is backfiring.
Why?............... Because the stricter and stricter laws we are enacting are forcing the people who are doing the majority of the molesting (NOT re-offenders, but NEW, previously never suspected, emerging molesters) to hide their developing problems... in fear of the reprisals for even "hinting" they might be troubled by these thoughts.
To put it plainly, What we are doing is not working. Not only that, but it is backfiring.
Why?............... Because the stricter and stricter laws we are enacting are forcing the people who are doing the majority of the molesting (NOT re-offenders, but NEW, previously never suspected, emerging molesters) to hide their developing problems... in fear of the reprisals for even "hinting" they might be troubled by these thoughts.
No, actually any Sex Offender who has successfully completed the courses now in place will very openly tell you NOT to trust in that way. They will ALL tell you, to a man, that they have no business working with children, and that they DO NOT WANT to be put in any such position.
I honestly don't know where you guys are getting your information.
I honestly don't know where you guys are getting your information.
I like people who are blunt, and in part that why I like and respect you. However, I would never say, "Let the children be molested." But I hear you and am listening; we're doing something wrong. Perhaps our greatest guilt is not being in steadfast prayer for our children's protection, that and sitting back quietly while godless, liberal deviants such as MTV, the MSM, and political leaders rape the minds of yet another generation of youth, resulting in the consistent growth of perversions and sexual atrocities.
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This topic hits home for me.....I personally know a Sex Offender.....He went through several classes that were required and therapy sessions. Every year he goes to the sheriff's office for his annual finger printing and updates his info and every month he meets with the sheriff at his residence to verify his home address. This individual knows all the restrictions and find ways to get around it. He is not to be alone with a minor, yet he does, he does not stay at his residence every night. He was fired from his job and opened his own company under a family member's name.
So what do you recommend we do with him?
So what do you recommend we do with him?
Then, I think this is one case in which you should hold yourself almost as guilty as him if he re-offends. I have recommended sending hundreds of men back to prison. And that is part of running a program like this.
When I said "successfully" completed a program, I meant that in the obvious way. Obama "successfully" campaigned (since he got elected) but he is not to be trusted.... and we are all guilty if we voted for him a second time.
Trust me, the guys running the program can usually tell. If you can so easily see the truth, then I would have too.
You have the information. Use it! Don't be just one more person sitting back, waiting to point fingers at others when you didn't do what you know is right.
When I said "successfully" completed a program, I meant that in the obvious way. Obama "successfully" campaigned (since he got elected) but he is not to be trusted.... and we are all guilty if we voted for him a second time.
Trust me, the guys running the program can usually tell. If you can so easily see the truth, then I would have too.
You have the information. Use it! Don't be just one more person sitting back, waiting to point fingers at others when you didn't do what you know is right.
And, of course you have asked them what kind of proof you need to bring them? And have provided that?
This whole thing is a messy business. We HAVE to get truly involved. But few really care enough. Most want to say they "tried", when they really only half-heartedly complained a little.
It boils down to just how committed we are, as to what kind of results we will see.
This whole thing is a messy business. We HAVE to get truly involved. But few really care enough. Most want to say they "tried", when they really only half-heartedly complained a little.
It boils down to just how committed we are, as to what kind of results we will see.
I'm not sure I follow you. We have a guy saying leopards never change their spots; you and I argue that while it's rare it does happen, guy 1 equates being forgiven with getting off the hook, I say no forgive but keep them on the hook until such time as they can prove their trustworthiness, and now you say I'm out to lunch on that, it never happens. Willie, where did we go wrong?
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Willie,
When I saw the SO outside alone with his friend's 4 year old daughter, my first gut instinct was to go outside and get that child away from him. Then I approached her parents and told them he is to never be alone with a minor under the age 16. (Taking pictures was not my priority, hence no proof.) I don't know what story line he gave to his friends but they seem to act as if he's not truly a SO, just someone who was falsely accused. I've refused to socialize with them.
I feel individuals like him are dangerous, especially if they are half way intelligent, they can complete their courses and know how to manipulate the counselors and the system. I'm afraid some other child might become his next victim.
When I saw the SO outside alone with his friend's 4 year old daughter, my first gut instinct was to go outside and get that child away from him. Then I approached her parents and told them he is to never be alone with a minor under the age 16. (Taking pictures was not my priority, hence no proof.) I don't know what story line he gave to his friends but they seem to act as if he's not truly a SO, just someone who was falsely accused. I've refused to socialize with them.
I feel individuals like him are dangerous, especially if they are half way intelligent, they can complete their courses and know how to manipulate the counselors and the system. I'm afraid some other child might become his next victim.
The programs they go through are not just lists of check-offs, to move them through pages in a book. The programs are to teach them life-patterns and safety procedures. To develop habits and instinctive reactions. And one of the first things they teach themselves is to be aware of ages of others (looking to avoid minors)... then they get automatically imprinted to remove themselves from potentially dangerous situations.
There are hundreds of other things, but it would take weeks to tell you all of them, and months for you to understand the whys and wherefores of their meanings and the usage of them as preventatives and safe guards.
They also learn that they DO NOT "get cured". But, rather, they learn to restructure their thinking and perceptions. One thing every Sex Offender knows is that they (and actually each of us... "Yes", you and me) are but one "trigger" from being a law breaker... whether it be their way, or another that each of us may be more susceptible to.
So, although I am not understanding the confusion you seem to express, I do want to make it clear that Sex Offenders are no more "cured" of their problems than you or I are "cured" of that particular thing we used to fight, but now try to claim we have completely licked. All of us just learn how to live without those things disrupting our lives anymore..... as long as we avoid the triggers and situations that wreck our train.
There are hundreds of other things, but it would take weeks to tell you all of them, and months for you to understand the whys and wherefores of their meanings and the usage of them as preventatives and safe guards.
They also learn that they DO NOT "get cured". But, rather, they learn to restructure their thinking and perceptions. One thing every Sex Offender knows is that they (and actually each of us... "Yes", you and me) are but one "trigger" from being a law breaker... whether it be their way, or another that each of us may be more susceptible to.
So, although I am not understanding the confusion you seem to express, I do want to make it clear that Sex Offenders are no more "cured" of their problems than you or I are "cured" of that particular thing we used to fight, but now try to claim we have completely licked. All of us just learn how to live without those things disrupting our lives anymore..... as long as we avoid the triggers and situations that wreck our train.
V
If the guy was locked up;you wouldnt have willie lecturing you that you didnt do enough.
I believe in forgiveness but I do not think they should be roaming around free.
I believe in forgiveness but I do not think they should be roaming around free.
I've about had it with this board. Garbage is passed off as a gourmet meal. I'm done here.