Preachers Brutally Beaten At Gay Pride Festival

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breno785au

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p_rehbein said:
When people are full of hate, going to talk to them, hugging and such and trying to get to know them on a personal level simply does not work. Jesus may not have had a "sign," but He SURELY told all He spoke to REPENT! And, He spoke far more about hell in His ministry than He did heaven.
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Unfortunately I think you miss my point, maybe? You've never gone down the street, sat and talked with someone about Jesus or just about faith in general, or offering to pray for them? You get more of a response from people that way.
Not sure where you get the hugging thing from or why you think part of the message of speaking with people doesn't include the message to repent. It can include that just with a different approach. Some people NEED for people to take the time to understand them, or at least try too.
And if someone doesn't want to receive your message, what did Jesus say to the disciples? Shake the dust from your feet and keep moving (obviously to find those who will)
 
SarahM777

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Unfortunately I think you miss my point, maybe? You've never gone down the street, sat and talked with someone about Jesus or just about faith in general, or offering to pray for them? You get more of a response from people that way.
Not sure where you get the hugging thing from or why you think part of the message of speaking with people doesn't include the message to repent. It can include that just with a different approach. Some people NEED for people to take the time to understand them, or at least try too.
And if someone doesn't want to receive your message, what did Jesus say to the disciples? Shake the dust from your feet and keep moving (obviously to find those who will)
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And that's one of the things that is being missed in this whole thing. On the longer video it shows the one gal in the striped blouse telling one of the street preachers that if they did not leave the heavy set guy would kick their rear ends in. (And it was already heated at that point,so that should bode the question How long had the situation been going on and getting more and more heated before they got beaten? And with all the warnings why didn't they walk away BEFORE it reached that point?) And I not trying to justify the ones who beat the street preachers,but I do question the wisdom of those street preachers to CHOOSE TO REMAIN IN THAT SITUATION when it was just getting worse and worse by the minute.
 
PennEd

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And that's one of the things that is being missed in this whole thing. On the longer video it shows the one gal in the striped blouse telling one of the street preachers that if they did not leave the heavy set guy would kick their rear ends in. (And it was already heated at that point,so that should bode the question How long had the situation been going on and getting more and more heated before they got beaten? And with all the warnings why didn't they walk away BEFORE it reached that point?) And I not trying to justify the ones who beat the street preachers,but I do question the wisdom of those street preachers to CHOOSE TO REMAIN IN THAT SITUATION when it was just getting worse and worse by the minute.
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Hi Sarah, I understand your point, and believe there is some nerit to it, but Scripture is replete with stories of persecution for preaching the Gospel. The whole book of Acts deals with the Apostles getting beaten, ridiculed, jailed and in cases merdered, for it. How do we know these street preachers didn't reache even ONE person with their message?
 
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Hi Sarah, I understand your point, and believe there is some nerit to it, but Scripture is replete with stories of persecution for preaching the Gospel. The whole book of Acts deals with the Apostles getting beaten, ridiculed, jailed and in cases merdered, for it. How do we know these street preachers didn't reache even ONE person with their message?
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I am not saying they didn't,scripture does tell us if people do NOT receive us we are to walk away. And again it's not like they were beaten almost right away when they came BUT QUITE a while AFTER they were warned to leave.
 
SarahM777

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And a silly question Would anyone say the same thing if they were preaching to a group of Hell's Angels or bikers at a place where they are meeting and the Hell's Angles or the other bikers warned them to leave and they didn't leave and were beaten for it?
 
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SarahM777 said:
And a silly question Would anyone say the same thing if they were preaching to a group of Hell's Angels or bikers at a place where they are meeting and the Hell's Angles or the other bikers warned them to leave and they didn't leave and were beaten for it?
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I think the hells angels is a well known criminal group and don't generally go out to make political marches to support free speech... and so-call civil rights. Yea I see the same criminal element but you would think they would not beat folks up for free speech when they are marching for free speech or whatever?
 
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What if the Hells angels went out to have a parade to celebrate their criminal behavior? Im sure some preachers would be there as well and a whole bunch of cops.
 
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I'm sure the preachers' intentions were good, but you're right, sharks do bite, and they bite hard. Stay out of the water, folks, and shake the dust off your feet.
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But how do you think Paul and Silas ended up in prison?
 
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SarahM777 said:
And that's one of the things that is being missed in this whole thing. On the longer video it shows the one gal in the striped blouse telling one of the street preachers that if they did not leave the heavy set guy would kick their rear ends in. (And it was already heated at that point,so that should bode the question How long had the situation been going on and getting more and more heated before they got beaten? And with all the warnings why didn't they walk away BEFORE it reached that point?) And I not trying to justify the ones who beat the street preachers,but I do question the wisdom of those street preachers to CHOOSE TO REMAIN IN THAT SITUATION when it was just getting worse and worse by the minute.
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Why would you defend these sort of people and try to blame the victim for being law-abiding citizens practicing their free speech? Was those blacks who went into white restaurants in the south supposed to be beaten as well?
 
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I am not saying they didn't,scripture does tell us if people do NOT receive us we are to walk away. And again it's not like they were beaten almost right away when they came BUT QUITE a while AFTER they were warned to leave.
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You are justifying their actions.They were wrong.They preach tolerance but dont live it then call Christians hypocrites.smh
 
p_rehbein

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Mitspa said:
What if the Hells angels went out to have a parade to celebrate their criminal behavior? Im sure some preachers would be there as well and a whole bunch of cops.
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A noticeable Police presence at a gay pride rally is not politically correct, and would give the wrong impression of those participating in the rally.
 
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Personally, I think it's a bad idea to go to any "pride" event to preach. It's like going into a bar to witness to drunks. People are rarely receptive to the Gospel while they are in the midst of wallowing in their sin. Sure, you MAY reach one person (and I suppose even one convert is worth it), but generally it's truly an example of tossing your pearls among the swine.

Or as we voice professors used to say, "Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It's only frustrating to the teacher and annoying to the pig."

And, yes, I know that Jesus talked to the "sinners," but it was usually one-on-one -- still the best way to witness, in my mind.
 
p_rehbein

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Personally, I think it's a bad idea to go to any "pride" event to preach. It's like going into a bar to witness to drunks. People are rarely receptive to the Gospel while they are in the midst of wallowing in their sin. Sure, you MAY reach one person (and I suppose even one convert is worth it), but generally it's truly an example of tossing your pearls among the swine.

Or as we voice professors used to say, "Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It's only frustrating to the teacher and annoying to the pig."

And, yes, I know that Jesus talked to the "sinners," but it was usually one-on-one -- still the best way to witness, in my mind.
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Not to be disrespectful but a friend of mine became saved in a bar.A drunk friend told him what he needed was to be saved like his mother told him. He became saved and tried for years to witness to the drunk friend that told him about God.I dont know if he ever became saved. We cant put God in a box.
 
p_rehbein

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santuzza said:
Personally, I think it's a bad idea to go to any "pride" event to preach. It's like going into a bar to witness to drunks. People are rarely receptive to the Gospel while they are in the midst of wallowing in their sin. Sure, you MAY reach one person (and I suppose even one convert is worth it), but generally it's truly an example of tossing your pearls among the swine.

Or as we voice professors used to say, "Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It's only frustrating to the teacher and annoying to the pig."

And, yes, I know that Jesus talked to the "sinners," but it was usually one-on-one -- still the best way to witness, in my mind.
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I thank God that Jesus didn't feel this way...................
 
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santuzza said:
Personally, I think it's a bad idea to go to any "pride" event to preach. It's like going into a bar to witness to drunks. People are rarely receptive to the Gospel while they are in the midst of wallowing in their sin. Sure, you MAY reach one person (and I suppose even one convert is worth it), but generally it's truly an example of tossing your pearls among the swine.

Or as we voice professors used to say, "Don't try to teach a pig to sing. It's only frustrating to the teacher and annoying to the pig."

And, yes, I know that Jesus talked to the "sinners," but it was usually one-on-one -- still the best way to witness, in my mind.
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We need to go where God sends us...these people will never hear the truth unless someone has the courage to tell them the truth. These people are going to hell, unless they repent. Of course God wants them warned!
 
SarahM777

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Mitspa said:
I think the hells angels is a well known criminal group and don't generally go out to make political marches to support free speech... and so-call civil rights. Yea I see the same criminal element but you would think they would not beat folks up for free speech when they are marching for free speech or whatever?
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Again I am trying to justify the people who beat the street preachers. My point is and was that the situation could have been defused BEFORE it got to that point.
 
SarahM777

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kaylagrl said:
You are justifying their actions.They were wrong.They preach tolerance but dont live it then call Christians hypocrites.smh
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The people that beat the street preachers are going to have to answer to God for their actions,they are guilty of dong so. The point that is being missed in all of this is the fact that the street preachers were warned for OVER 5 MINUTES and LONGER that the heavy set guy was going to do it if they did not leave. And the gal in the striped was getting between the heavy set guy and the guy in the white tee with the sign and you could see he was getting more and more agitated. My point is and was is that this could have been prevented BEFORE it ever got to the point of the street being beaten. The people they were talking to clearly were not receptive to the gospel at that point and there is a point where we are to walk away.
 
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SarahM777 said:
Again I am trying to justify the people who beat the street preachers. My point is and was that the situation could have been defused BEFORE it got to that point.
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Yea these people could have respected the free speech and civil rights of these preachers....seeing how that's what they claimed to be marching for.....should the blacks have backed down in the south when they was standing in the right?
 
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SarahM777 said:
The people that beat the street preachers are going to have to answer to God for their actions,they are guilty of dong so. The point that is being missed in all of this is the fact that the street preachers were warned for OVER 5 MINUTES and LONGER that the heavy set guy was going to do it if they did not leave. And the gal in the striped was getting between the heavy set guy and the guy in the white tee with the sign and you could see he was getting more and more agitated. My point is and was is that this could have been prevented BEFORE it ever got to the point of the street being beaten. The people they were talking to clearly were not receptive to the gospel at that point and there is a point where we are to walk away.
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what is this logic that these guys should have back away from these thugs? That's not the Christian way nor the American way to deal with thugs.
 
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