supreme court to take on gay marriage

jimmydiggs · Dec 11, 2012

Christianity and secular humanism are incompatible. To claim both requires the essential denial of one or the other. Christianity in that case most generally gets the back seat, unfortunately. I suppose God is not capable of giving us wisdom to govern ourselves that we must import secularism, or so it seems from what those who claim Christ tend to do.

Hosea 8
1 “Put the trumpet to your lips!
An eagle is over the house of the Lord
because the people have broken my covenant
and rebelled against my law.
2 Israel cries out to me,
‘Our God, we acknowledge you!’
3 But Israel has rejected what is good;
an enemy will pursue him.
4 They set up kings without my consent;
they choose princes without my approval.
With their silver and gold
they make idols for themselves
to their own destruction.
5 Samaria, throw out your calf-idol!
My anger burns against them.
How long will they be incapable of purity?
6 They are from Israel!
This calf—a metalworker has made it;
it is not God.
It will be broken in pieces,
that calf of Samaria.

Kisses1990 · Dec 12, 2012

TheGrungeDiva said:

Quoted for truth!

This was sort of my point earlier which everyone seemed to disregard. You said it in a much more to-the-point and better way than I.

Someones religion and someones government are two separate things. We are supposed to have a SEPARATION of CHURCH and STATE.

Whatever any individual believes religiously is great for them personally. We should not dictate and force others who have different beliefs. This has nothing to do with any god(s). If they go to any "hell", it's their business and their fault. Surely they had many opportunities. There is no reason to impose on their choice. This is why there has been such an angry and murderous past. The slaughtering of the native americans, wars, witch burnings, human sacrifice, terrorism.... the list is endless.

If gay marriage is bad according to your religion, tough. Not everyone shares your religion. If it is against your morality, tough. Morality can be very subjective in some ways. This is a LEGAL issue, it has nothing to do with spiritual laws. i.e. Regardless of what any given God of any religion wants/thinks, it's up to the FOLLOWERS of said religion to live that lifestyle and sure, convert others. But forcing is usually wrong.

djness · Dec 12, 2012

Kisses1990 said:

I think the part that some of us have a hard time swallowing is that christians on a christian site want to seperate Christ from their view of rule, since ''we don't live in a christian nation''.

What doesn't seem to be getting imparted is that laws come from somewhere, they aren't just snatched out of a hat, and they don't have nothing to do with nothing.

I think all of us opposed to the view held by you an grunge and naut get it, your point is a pretty simple to make point.

Mistaking lack of understanding for disagreement seems to be the chasm here...and then one that you all keep trying to yank the rest of us into.

djness · Dec 12, 2012

Drew mysef back in!....ok im done for good this time.

BillyTheKid · Dec 12, 2012

djness said:

I would love it if the voters had the say in such issues. I still think civil rights are civil rights but at least we would know how the whole country feels about it. I think if it were left to the voters it would be passed regardless, but at least we would know it was passed by the people.

Colours · Dec 12, 2012

Let me just say, to HUMANITY, not just to christians, free will and choice should ALWAYS been first and foremost.

Adam and Eve had free choice, and free will. And so should people today.

The bible will never promote gay marriage, so what is everyone so afraid of?

The government allowing people to marry is a step forward.

People cannot be suppressed and marginalised just because of a select few who think they know right and ought to secularize and marginalize society into their own idyllic perception of it.

If people want to be gay, they have that right.

Colours · Dec 12, 2012

Why do people think they have the right to determine the freedom of someone else's life choices?

If you don't agree with homosexuality, then be straight.

It's not anyone's place to say that people should be jailed or marginalized for being gay.

Seems like most people's perfect world is one where they get to be gods deciding on which groups of society can be free and who can't.

Colours · Dec 12, 2012

And I'd be saying the same thing if it was someone's right to religion, or free speech, or anything.

The way I see it, God wants ME to adhere by His rules, not have a say in anyone else's choice of whether or not to.

Newluke · Dec 12, 2012

Colours said:

If people are gay by choice, so by their own free will (which i believe to be true) then 'gay christians' should stop complaining they can't help being gay and just stop sinning, by that same free will.

jimmydiggs · Dec 12, 2012

Newluke said:

Do you sin?

Colours · Dec 12, 2012

Newluke said:

Let me ask you this; Is there such a thing as sexual attraction in the second life?

Colours · Dec 12, 2012

And let me also ask you; do you believe that God's entire word and every commandment against sin should all be HUMAN LAW for everyone on Earth? And what punishment would you choose for the people who were not sinless? ..

Colours · Dec 12, 2012

Let me also ask you, do you know the hearts and minds of every member of the gay community, to the point that you know whether being gay felt like their choice?

Can you read their hearts like God can?

Newluke · Dec 12, 2012

jimmydiggs said:

Am i human? Trust me, i'm doing anything in my power not too, and that's more than you can say for most gays.

Colours said:

You first comment about the second life didn't make any sense to me...

And yep: The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it. (Psalm 24:1), so why shouldn't God's will be done EVERYWHERE on earth? And the Lord himself taught us to pray: (...) Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven (Matthew 6:10, KJV). Because ultimately (...) every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen (Revelation 1:7). So it's not a matter of what I think of it, but what you read in the Bible. GOD will judge us for our sins, so don't ask me what the punishment should be.

And to answer you last question (because you keep posting seperate questions): i didn't say 'if people want to be gay they should be able to begay'(to paraphrase what you said) but you did.

Colours · Dec 12, 2012

Newluke said:

Ok.

So if you believe that judgement is for God, and that GOD will judge us for our sins, and that the Earth belongs to God and not you or me, or 'the gays', then why don't you leave God to do the judging?

Also, if you do not know what punishment to give to those who aren't sinless, then why make being gay illegal?

If your reason is that God wishes it to be so, then you must also make lying, committing murder in your heart, hate, spite, greed, envy, and lust illegal as well. in which case, I believe you and I would be in the very same cells 'the gays' inhabit.

Also, if you do not know the hearts of 'the gays' like God does, then perhaps you might not assume that none of 'the gays' try to be sinless.

And as you are a person who commits sin, and are not sinless, just like me, and have your own failings before God, which God will judge, then perhaps you might concentrate on those instead of that of others?

With all this taken into account, you can see the pointlessness of focusing on one group of 'sinners' and making out that they are worse than you are, can't you?

Colours · Dec 12, 2012

Also, if every eye eventually will see him, then what benefit does any of the outward judgement bring upon anyone? It in fact brings more upon you.

'Judge and ye shall be judged'.

Faithfullness · Dec 12, 2012

A man and a man getting married thats a taboo.The judge should rule against it.I know that we are governed by law here on earth,the law that accommodates every one,We all have the freedom of choice, but at the end of the day God is the main Judge and we are going to be judged according to the law that He gave us in His word.A man should not have any sexual activities with another man.

Colours · Dec 12, 2012

While it may be true that the Word of God prohibits same sex relations, to make it illegal would mean that every sin would be illegal. I mean, how can one be ok and another not?

Then where would we ALL find ourselves?

And a better question then, where WILL we all find ourselves?

I've heard the flipside too. 'In that case, why don't we all just sin?

That's a question that needs answered within oneself.

Do you prefer the judgemental kind of cruel, harsh, throw you in jail for every mistake and difficulty, kind of world?

or do you see the 'I will change myself', forgiving, patient, kind, calm, loving, charitable, faithful, hopeful world that God wishes us all to eventually live in with Him?

You can't have half of one and half of the other. They don't mix.

TheGrungeDiva · Dec 12, 2012

Newluke said:

And you know the details of "most gays'" sexual practices exactly how?

Playitright · Dec 13, 2012

Yo, there is only one way to play life people!!
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