The Death of Christianity in America

oldernotwiser · Aug 27, 2014

both were "house churches" but chinese christians seem to easily ignore the difference between the 3 self churches (offically approved) and house churches. the house churches i have seen range from 10 chinese christians to close to a hundred. i have seen (here in shenzhen) 75 or a hundred people, carrying bibles going to a house church. (this was in the yan tien district)

BlackPlatypus · Aug 27, 2014

Do you know if those who are attending these meetings are investing in the traditional Christian studies? Or are they about the government version. (Re:article)

oldernotwiser said:

BlackPlatypus · Aug 27, 2014

It's an age old tactic. Induce fear, then introduce the balm, the solution, that quells the fear.

Just after 9-11 and after the USPA had passed into law, a news crew went on the street in NYC for one of those, 'man on the street' segments. Asking people what they thought about the USPA being passed and that it threatened our constitutional rights and the free exercise of our freedoms and liberty.
I'll never forget this one woman. She looked at this reporter and said: If I have to give up a few of my rights and freedoms in order to feel safe I'm OK with that.

She's a politicians dream.

kennethcadwell said:

BlackPlatypus · Aug 27, 2014

biscuit said:

Does it strike you odd that Nixon was an alleged avowed racist and anti-Semite....and also a Quaker?

Seems a bit conflicting.

oldernotwiser · Aug 27, 2014

BlackPlatypus said:

if "the government version" is ever defined (and i suspect the definition will be pretty vague even if it happens) i doubt that it will have any effect. implementation of any policy in china ranges from impossible to amusing. a good example is calling china "communist." china is far less "communist" than any scandinavian country and certainly more chinese than communist. china is a one party state led by people whose first priority is stability. this is understandable when we look at the history of china in the 19th and 20th centuries. as far as freedom of religion ..... while western christians may have a different understanding of the history of chinese christianity, the chinese remember the tai ping rebellion of the 19th century (a heretical christian group that almost took china) and missionaries serving as guides and translators in the opium wars. these are certainly not excuses for persecution but they are some of the forces that form reasons for (at least) observation of any organized group. in america mosques are often infiltrated by fbi or police informers. historically china has reasons to monitor religious groups that are certainly as good as americas.

Atwood · Aug 27, 2014

BlackPlatypus said:

Indeed, the terms alleged & avowed are conflicting. If he had had been avowed, no allegations would have been needed & allegation would be inappropriate.

Well, someone would have those accusations things to me. I think Nixon joined the NAACP actually at one point some way or other. But he did have this "southern strategy" for winning elections. The Republicrats made a big goof with ML King and lot their Afro-american vote, which they had inherited from Lincoln. The Democrats were the party of slavery & of Jim Crow.

BTW, I wonder if we really want to be talking about racism; a thread was recently shut down over that. And that is not the topic of this thread. But you didn't start it, I guess.

AgeofKnowledge · Aug 28, 2014

He certainly was a strange conflicted individual and that's why I think it's a bit harsh to call him an "avowed racist and anti-Semite."

Nixon blasted Dixiecrats “seeking to squeeze the last ounces of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice" during his campaign calling out segregationist candidates in ’66 for failing to support integration. He called on LBJ, Hubert Humphrey, and Bobby Kennedy to join him in repudiating them but none of those three did.

Nixon chose Spiro Agnew, the first governor south of the Mason Dixon Line to enact an open-housing law and in Nixon’s presidency, the civil rights enforcement budget rose 800 percent.

Record numbers of blacks were appointed to federal office. An Office of Minority Business Enterprise was created. SBA loans to minorities soared 1,000 percent. Aid to black colleges doubled.
Nixon won the South not because he agreed with them on civil rights—he never did—but because he shared the patriotic values of the South and its antipathy to liberal hypocrisy. When Johnson left office, 10 percent of Southern schools were desegregated. When Nixon left, the figure was 70 percent. That's right: it was Richard Nixon who desegregated Southern schools.

Also, Richard Nixon is credited during the Yom Kippur War of helping to save Israel from an onslaught of potentially devastating attacks. The President recognized the threat that an Arab victory posed, the “threat of victory by Soviet arms,” according to author Conrad Black. The Soviet government was the Arab world’s chief supplier of munitions, and was strategically attempting to spread its influence throughout the region and backed Israel to the hilt with supplies, munitions, intelligence, etc...

And, of course, he did make racist and anti-Semite remarks at the same time he was doing all of these anti-racist and pro-Semite things to help minorities and Jews.

Like I said: conflicted. At least his actions were directed properly in support of minorities and Israel even if his words always were not.

BlackPlatypus said:

SonInMe · Aug 28, 2014

jeffcraft said:

Homosexuality has been cured. You cannot deny that.

Ahh, a bible illiterate. The bible was never a proponent of multiple wives

huffington post.....might just as well used Karl Marx as your source.

SonInMe · Aug 28, 2014

BlackPlatypus said:

Jesus came to divide as well, you know the scripture. To compromise standards just to agree is not christian. Sorry but the Joel Osteens of this world ain't my kinda passionate commited driven christianity of the disciples and true holy spirit indwellt people.

SonInMe · Aug 28, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

Ok, thanks for clearing that up.

It is a pet peeve of mine when I see some one try to claim or give an argument that one political party is more Christian than another. I took what you said that way, but am glad to hear that is not how you think.

Both parties agenda's have gone far away from the Christian way of life/standards. They have accepted and adopted other peoples rights and beliefs, and instead of them being options, they are being forced on us as well.

If we argue about it, or protest we are labeled as hate groups. Some people who are apart of Democrats and Republicans alike have wanted for the past 6 years been trying to label us as Christians as domestic terrorists.

I do believe we are not to force our ways on others, as our Lord Jesus said not to, but we should not be forced to accept their ways either.

Show me one aspect of the democrat party that has anything to do with christianity.

SonInMe · Aug 28, 2014

kennethcadwell said:

Your blatant twist on the 2000 election and the Florida recount proves facts mean nothing to democrats/liberals. Wanna know what all your whining and complaining did to us Floridians? It cost us 100 million dollar plus in two failed computer systems for voting when the paper punch ballets were simple easy and worked.

All because Gore was a crybaby.

Grow up

David_1 · Aug 28, 2014

Fishbait said:

When Christianity started, it was small.

Christianity doesn't need an Empire forcing it's religion on people to have true followers.

Put to the sword? You sound like religious persecution is something new?

We like to glamorize the martyrdom in the few few centuries, but all throughout human history, persecution of other people's religions has occurred. It's barbaric.

Whether it was the vikings attacking the old celts and defacing their holy areas, or whether it's Muslims killing Iraqi Christian children in Iraq.... religious wars have been constant.

This is why 'we' have supposed to have grown up. Europeans are supposed to have gone through the enlightenment period. The USA has the first amendment. It was so important, it was the first!

So if someone wants to be a Quacker sitting in an empty room feeling the vibe, or a snake handler dude playing with snakes, or a Muslim praying on the carpet... they are allowed to do that! We don't cut their heads off and parade it around.

Christians ARE NOT being persecuted in the USA. Christians are protected by the first amendment.

AgeofKnowledge · Aug 28, 2014

I would assert that being able to walk into a Christian owned small business and order them to violate their moral conscience and religious liberty and facilitate your immorality or face serious criminal charges that could put them in prison respite with fines exceeding hundreds of thousands of dollars that don't wash in bankruptcy court impoverishing them and their families for the rest of the life of the owner IS persecution.

It should NOT be possible and I HOPE the U.S. Supreme Court continues to reverse the state and federal courts that are enforcing this severe persecution of Christians on behalf of immoral people after the Reagan appointees retire from the U.S. Supreme Court. We shall see.

In the meanwhile, these moral Christians that refuse to violate their conscience and cede away their religious liberty go through hell when the immoral come calling looking for a Christian to crucify.

And then there's the real problem of discrimination against Christians in public education or who contract with the federal government.

David_1 said:

BlackPlatypus · Aug 28, 2014

SonInMe said:

BlackPlatypus · Aug 28, 2014

Atwood said:

No, I didn't start it. Thank you for noticing that. I appreciate it.

Yes, I don't think we should move beyond what was already corrected about the errant terminology biscuit applied to Nixon. We very well could then be following that same path that led to the closure of the other thread.

SonInMe · Aug 28, 2014

BlackPlatypus said:

Don't see the humor in apostasy.

biscuit · Aug 28, 2014

BlackPlatypus said:

I guess there is that 'hypocrite' element in every denomination & religion. Israel almost lost the 1973(?) war with its Arab neighbors because it was running out of weapons and both Nixon & Kissinger were ignoring Israel PM Golda Meir's plea for assistance. Israel was on the verge of defeat when God woke up Nixon by placing his deceased(?) mother's voice in his ear telling him that Israel was God's chosen people and should always be supported. Golda Meir placed her last call to Nixon around 3am in the morning telling him Israel couldn't hold out much longer and was facing defeat. With Nixon change of heart, he gave Israel all the weapons she requested and shipped immediately & quickly. Israel soon afterward, defeated the Arab armies.

Even God can 'softens' an avowed racist's heart.

BlackPlatypus · Aug 28, 2014

SonInMe said:

No Christian does. However, when numerous people have tried to turn the apostate around and have failed to get through, sometimes humor helps those who were frustrated in that effort. While the apostate shall face the judgment in their own due time.

biscuit · Aug 28, 2014

BlackPlatypus said:

Your credibility on CC will be wearing very thin because of your lack of respect for other posters. I grew up in that era and witnessed everything I spoke of. I suggest you prove me wrong or just "button up."

biscuit · Aug 28, 2014

AgeofKnowledge said:

He certainly was a strange conflicted individual and that's why I think it's a bit harsh to call him an "avowed racist and anti-Semite."

Nixon blasted Dixiecrats “seeking to squeeze the last ounces of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice" during his campaign calling out segregationist candidates in ’66 for failing to support integration. He called on LBJ, Hubert Humphrey, and Bobby Kennedy to join him in repudiating them but none of those three did.

Nixon chose Spiro Agnew, the first governor south of the Mason Dixon Line to enact an open-housing law and in Nixon’s presidency, the civil rights enforcement budget rose 800 percent.

Record numbers of blacks were appointed to federal office. An Office of Minority Business Enterprise was created. SBA loans to minorities soared 1,000 percent. Aid to black colleges doubled.
Nixon won the South not because he agreed with them on civil rights—he never did—but because he shared the patriotic values of the South and its antipathy to liberal hypocrisy. When Johnson left office, 10 percent of Southern schools were desegregated. When Nixon left, the figure was 70 percent. That's right: it was Richard Nixon who desegregated Southern schools.

Also, Richard Nixon is credited during the Yom Kippur War of helping to save Israel from an onslaught of potentially devastating attacks. The President recognized the threat that an Arab victory posed, the “threat of victory by Soviet arms,” according to author Conrad Black. The Soviet government was the Arab world’s chief supplier of munitions, and was strategically attempting to spread its influence throughout the region and backed Israel to the hilt with supplies, munitions, intelligence, etc...

And, of course, he did make racist and anti-Semite remarks at the same time he was doing all of these anti-racist and pro-Semite things to help minorities and Jews.

Like I said: conflicted. At least his actions were directed properly in support of minorities and Israel even if his words always were not.

Sorry to disappoint you and BlackPlaytus about Nixon being an avowed racist & a anti-Semite, because those statements came from within his own party. I probably will have a better insight on info in this regard because I was a History major and follow the events more closely than others for decades.

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