Tired of the EU and their demands

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trofimus

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It's simple we need to control our own borders, the EU do not give a damn how crowded we are whilst France are able to keep their wide open spaces - same population massive country, it's not right!
Control it. But do not expect EU will give you everything you want.... and do not be angry about it.
 

PennEd

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You still do not get it.

UK vs other EU countries is not like the USA vs Mexico. Its like New York not wanting people from Texas move freely there and wanting to leave the USA because of it.

Its an internal affair.
Are you saying that Europe is really the United States of Europe? And that individual countries shouldn't be allowed to control who crosses their border?

There 23 OFFICIALLY recognized languages spoken in Europe. Unlike America where English is the sole language spoken for governmental functions.

That's why there was a Brexit to begin with! They don't want a united states of europe. But all of that has ZERO to do with fair trade agreements.
 

trofimus

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It's simple we need to control our own borders, the EU do not give a damn how crowded we are whilst France are able to keep their wide open spaces - same population massive country, it's not right!
If you will not let in almost everybody from India, Pakistan and various other "istans" , you will be much less crowded.
 

trofimus

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Are you saying that Europe is really the United States of Europe? And that individual countries shouldn't be allowed to control who crosses their border?

There 23 OFFICIALLY recognized languages spoken in Europe. Unlike America where English is the sole language spoken for governmental functions.

That's why there was a Brexit to begin with! They don't want a united states of europe. But all of that has ZERO to do with fair trade agreements.
The free movement of persons inside the EU is a basic article of the European constitution.

The EU is not just a trade agreement. It was 30 years ago. Wake up.

Number of languages is absolutely irrelevant.

Who wants a free market with the EU, must also accept the free movement of persons. It is so for Switzerland, Norway, so it must be so for the UK too. UK is not special in any way.
 
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The free movement of persons inside the EU is a basic article of the European constitution.

The EU is not just a trade agreement. It was 30 years ago.
Wake up.

Number of languages is absolutely irrelevant.

Who wants a free market with the EU, must also accept the free movement of persons. It is so for Switzerland, Norway, so it must be so for the UK too. UK is not special in any way.
I have a right to be angry, we voted out and we want out lock stock and barrel.

The trade agreement - as I have already said is MUTUAL for MUTUAL BENEFIT and that is fair enough. When we went in to the EU is was sold to the British people as a marriage of TRADE but now the EU is simply a beast we can no longer tame.
 

PennEd

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The free movement of persons inside the EU is a basic article of the European constitution.

The EU is not just a trade agreement. It was 30 years ago. Wake up.

Number of languages is absolutely irrelevant.

Who wants a free market with the EU, must also accept the free movement of persons. It is so for Switzerland, Norway, so it must be so for the UK too. UK is not special in any way.
The EU unification has been an abject failure.

The continent has vastly different cultures. Multiculturalism is the primary reason for the death of Europe.
Why does fair trade have to be tied to open borders, and countries losing their right of citizen determination? What does one have to do with the other?
 
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we want MUTUAL trade deals - works for both sides.
Produce something they need and want... and they'll come calling.
 
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Amazing-Grace

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Produce something they need and want... and they'll come calling.
No, we are generally the buyers of the biggest items, ours is more agriculture - foods and fisheries.
 
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Amazing-Grace

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Is it mere accident the EU coin depicts the woman who rides the beast on one side and the EU building in Brussels has a statue of the same as a prominent feature?? Of ALL the images they could have chosen they chose this and you have to wonder why!
 

trofimus

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I have a right to be angry, we voted out and we want out lock stock and barrel.

The trade agreement - as I have already said is MUTUAL for MUTUAL BENEFIT and that is fair enough. When we went in to the EU is was sold to the British people as a marriage of TRADE but now the EU is simply a beast we can no longer tame.
The EU market is the biggest in the world.

The EU has the highest GDP in the world.

Of course I understand that UK wants to have free access to this market.

I have no idea why you should have better conditions than for example Switzerland, though?
 

trofimus

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The EU unification has been an abject failure.

The continent has vastly different cultures. Multiculturalism is the primary reason for the death of Europe.
Why does fair trade have to be tied to open borders, and countries losing their right of citizen determination? What does one have to do with the other?
Nonsense.

The example of multiculturalism are the USA, not EU. All EU countries have similar history, culture, religion etc.

I am not sure how you from the USA can judge what is or is not a failure for us, the EU citizens. Its like me talking about your internal problems with black quarters in the US cities and acting like I know better than you...

For me, its absolutely perfect to travel to Germany, Austria or wherever I want without any border control and without any need to get a passport. Not a failure.
 
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wolfwint

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As negotiations begin for our exit from the EU (Brexit) it is clear to me that the EU are not prepared to give an inch. I thought Theresa May had made a good start in stating that EU citizens currently residing in the UK were going to be allowed to stay with access to full UK rights - the latter after 5 years if they would guarantee the same rights for Brits currently residing in other EU countries. Were these proposals met with a smile? Were they welcomed? Not on your life! They were met with stony faces and a few damning remarks by Merkel and Junker. It is clear to me that they want only one thing in return for a free trade deal - which by the way is equally in their interests...they want free movement of people to and from the UK. This is totally unacceptable and has brought terrorists from further afield - in the main by Merkel herself. No this is not what we voted for! We voted for a clean break, we voted for control of our own borders and I think we need to walk away from anything less. The problem is the government is trying to appease the city and the money big-wigs but the people have spoken, it is time to break free.

Is it OK for a Christian to be angry? I am angry!! Britain has so much to offer the EU, we buy a huge %age of their cars, we have the best armed forces in Europe and we have the 5th largest economy in the world. Our intelligence service is one of - if not the best in the world and they in their arrogance want to take £billions from us to enable us to leave. We do not need to pay them ANYTHING, we simply need to walk away and do business with the rest of the world. Yes initially it will be tough until trading deals are established but it will be so worth it.

I'm sorry, this is not politically correct but Angela Merkel reminds me of a female Hitler and we all know what we had to do with him, ultimately we had to stand up to him! ‘This is NOT a breakthrough’ Angela Merkel slams May and demands free movement or NOTHING | This Is England

Sorry, I had to vent, rant over!
To compare Merkel with Hitlernen, seems that yound dont know who was Hitler? Does she is going to kill Jews? As Christian you should not blame people in such a way. You can be Angry about unrightness. Bit this you can findo on bothe side sich! GB is depent to get workers from others countrys otherwise your economy will collaps. And the thing with letting people in your country for work means only European citizienz. Europeans are normale no Muslims.
 
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Amazing-Grace

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To compare Merkel with Hitlernen, seems that yound dont know who was Hitler? Does she is going to kill Jews? As Christian you should not blame people in such a way. You can be Angry about unrightness. Bit this you can findo on bothe side sich! GB is depent to get workers from others countrys otherwise your economy will collaps. And the thing with letting people in your country for work means only European citizienz. Europeans are normale no Muslims.
I know exactly who Hitler was, as I said Merkel REMINDS me of him, she domineers the EU and although Germany is simply one of 27 member states she effectively runs the show, the German flag is the prominent flag which flies when the members get together.

Yes you are correct we are dependant on migrant workers but we want to control how many we take, we don't want an endless line of uncontrolled migrants and we don't want foreign governments telling us how many we must take. Is that really so hard to understand?
 

trofimus

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I know exactly who Hitler was, as I said Merkel REMINDS me of him, she domineers the EU and although Germany is simply one of 27 member states she effectively runs the show, the German flag is the prominent flag which flies when the members get together.

Yes you are correct we are dependant on migrant workers but we want to control how many we take, we don't want an endless line of uncontrolled migrants and we don't want foreign governments telling us how many we must take. Is that really so hard to understand?
28 member states.

It is also your fault that Germany is so dominant.

When any crisis began, it were small countries like Hungary, Czech rep, Austria etc fighting against Germany in the EU parliament and various summits.

What was quite populated and powerful UK doing? Hiding in their island and then crying "we want out...".

The traditional opponent of Germany is France. France is so weak last decades that you could step in and take this role. You missed the chance.
 
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Amazing-Grace

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28 member states.

It is also your fault that Germany is so dominant.

When any crisis begun, it were small countries like Hungary, Czech rep, Austria etc fighting against Germany in the EU parliament and various summits.

What was quite populated and powerful UK doing? Hiding in their island and then crying "we want out...".
I'm still waiting for a reply from post #29 or do you not recognise the significance?
 
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The EU unification has been an abject failure.

The continent has vastly different cultures. Multiculturalism is the primary reason for the death of Europe.
Why does fair trade have to be tied to open borders, and countries losing their right of citizen determination? What does one have to do with the other?

Couldnt agree more.
 
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Amazing-Grace

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Couldnt agree more.
The Americans seem to have a very good understanding of why we feel the way we do whereas the Europeans here don't seem to understand and think we are being unreasonable. I don't see what is so confusing...
 

trofimus

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Is it mere accident the EU coin depicts the woman who rides the beast on one side and the EU building in Brussels has a statue of the same as a prominent feature?? Of ALL the images they could have chosen they chose this and you have to wonder why!
I'm still waiting for a reply from post #29 or do you not recognise the significance?
So in the end of the day we get to the picture on coin as the main argument for Brexit and for "nice treating" while making trade deals? :)
 
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Amazing-Grace

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So in the end of the day we get to the picture on coin as the main argument for Brexit? :)
I have already given you my reasons but you aren't getting it...but I am confused as to why those symbols were chosen - given they are a sign of evil in Revelation? As a Christian you should also be questioning it.
 

trofimus

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Couldnt agree more.
Where are you originally from? You said you are not white.

If you are not even from our continent and consider yourself to be "a true British" having the right to make obstruction to much closer nations to get into UK, I have no idea why you like post against multiculturalism and pro closed borders....

A little consistency, please.