Tired of the EU and their demands

[Miri]

Have a look at this, by far the greatest number of immigrants are from
Poland - nearly 1 million.

https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/eu-migration-in-five-charts

India is the second largest at 362,000

Non EU nationals make up 4% of population and we can control their numbers.

Where as EU nationals which we currently have no control over is 5% and steadily
rising I might add. With each new EU country which got added to the EU, thousands
and thousands flocked to the UK. Not Germany or France, but to the UK!

Why - because of the free health care and generous benefits systems compared
to other EU counties and there is nothing the UK can do about it at all under EU
regulations!

The NHS was not intended to provide free medical health care for the whole of
the EU.

The child tax credit system was not intended to provide benefits to all
children in the EU. Yet anyone from the EU can come to the UK
find work, claim child benefit even though their children live in Poland,
Germany, France, Spain Romania etc and send that child benefit home to their
own country.

Figures reveal EU migrants claiming £27 million child benefit to send back home | UK | News | Express.co.uk



In addition, there was a major problem with EU citizens coming to the UK for just a few
days, registering with a UK doctor (GP) getting a medical card, then returning back to
their own country and getting medical care. Then showing their card so they had
nothing to pay. Then those countries were then charging the NHS for the medical
care of its citizens! Even thought they had not paid a penny into the system.
That was a complete abuse of the system. It was intended to give people medical
help while living in the UK, or visiting say on holiday and an accident happened.
It was never intended that you pick up a green card and trot back to your own
country and get free health care for ever more on the NHS.


The UK is just leaking money and resources to the EU left right and centre.
Mostly because of EU regulations and because it's taking time to try to close
some of these legal loop holes.

No wonder the EU wants us to stay, where will they all go for their medical
care and to rip off the benefits system once we have control of our own borders!

Not to mention that we will be able to make our own legislation, instead of
60% of it coming from unelected faceless people thousands of miles away.


Honest I would rather money went to genuine desperate refugees
escaping war torn Syria. Than to people from the EU who are fiddling the
system.

One group is a genuine charitable cause, the other group are day light robbers.

Incidentally I know that not everyone from the EU is like this. I have friends from
EU countries who are genuine. But that's the reason
why the UK wants to be able to control its own borders, so it can control who is
genuine and who is having a laugh at the UK expense.

 

[Miri]

Where are you originally from? You said you are not white.

If you are not even from our continent and consider yourself to be "a true British" having the right to make obstruction to much closer nations to get into UK, I have no idea why you like post against multiculturalism and pro closed borders....

A little consistency, please.

I have no reason want so ever to have to explain to sometime so ignorant as you,
why I am not white, yet still British.

Incidentally not all Muslims are black or brown. Not all Chinese are slightly yellow.
Not all Russians are white etc. Colour has no bearing on country of
origin or nationality. Only ignorant people think it does.

 

[trofimus]

I have no reason want so ever to have to explain to sometime so ignorant as you,
why I am not white, yet still British.

Incidentally not all Muslims are black or brown. Not all Chinese are slightly yellow.
Not all Russians are white etc. Colour has no bearing on country of
origin or nationality. Only ignorant people think it does.

I really can not understand why people as you, who are not even from Europe and still want to live here and get advantages of its highly developed culture and economy can be against "multi-culturalism" and for closed borders...

Its really inconsistent. Like somebody foreign want to say to a family "do not take your brother in, there are too many of us already".

 

[Miri]

I really can not understand why people as you, who are not even from Europe and still want to live here and get advantages of its highly developed culture and economy can be against "multi-culturalism" and for closed borders...

Its really inconsistent. Like somebody foreign want to say to a family "do not take your brother in, there are too many of us already".

Never said I wasn't from Europe. Never said I wasn't from Britain. What I said
is that I am not white, in response to your previous post.

As I say, you are just an ignorant person.

 

[trofimus]

Never said I wasn't from Europe. Never said I wasn't from Britain. What I said
is that I am not white, in response to your previous post.

As I say, you are just an ignorant person.

Sorry, but all european nations are white.

You know very well what I am talking about. You are immigrant or your family was. So it surprises me you are against immigration or even against free movement inside Europe.

I wonder what you real motives are.

 

[Depleted]

The EU is scared the UK will make a success of it. If so, other countries
will leave the EU.

So they are trying to make it as hard as possible.
We aren't out of the EU yet, the Brexit has just been triggered.

60% of UK legislation is EU legislation, so we have to untangle ourselves bit
by bit. There is also the matter of the "divorce bill" though I don't
understand that at all as the UK is one of the larger payers of EU finances.
If anything the EU should be paying us!

Yeah. Really? I've got no idea why the EU thinks the UK owes them something. I know why the Paris Accords thought America owed them something. ($10 trillion dollars, and that's not a typo! Yeesh!) They were wrong.

Here's an idea, don't pay what the EU thinks you should owe. What can they do -- foreclose you?

Sometimes just washing your hands of debt is doable. Seems to me this is one of those times.

And a really big rubbish bin (or 2 or 100) can get you out of the 60% legislative problem. Divide the legislation into Us and Them, then throw out all the Thems. If some of it was a little of each, then reintroduce the parts pertaining to "Us."

 

[zeroturbulence]

As negotiations begin for our exit from the EU (Brexit) it is clear to me that the EU are not prepared to give an inch. I thought Theresa May had made a good start in stating that EU citizens currently residing in the UK were going to be allowed to stay with access to full UK rights - the latter after 5 years if they would guarantee the same rights for Brits currently residing in other EU countries. Were these proposals met with a smile? Were they welcomed? Not on your life! They were met with stony faces and a few damning remarks by Merkel and Junker. It is clear to me that they want only one thing in return for a free trade deal - which by the way is equally in their interests...they want free movement of people to and from the UK. This is totally unacceptable and has brought terrorists from further afield - in the main by Merkel herself. No this is not what we voted for! We voted for a clean break, we voted for control of our own borders and I think we need to walk away from anything less. The problem is the government is trying to appease the city and the money big-wigs but the people have spoken, it is time to break free.

Is it OK for a Christian to be angry? I am angry!! Britain has so much to offer the EU, we buy a huge %age of their cars, we have the best armed forces in Europe and we have the 5th largest economy in the world. Our intelligence service is one of - if not the best in the world and they in their arrogance want to take £billions from us to enable us to leave. We do not need to pay them ANYTHING, we simply need to walk away and do business with the rest of the world. Yes initially it will be tough until trading deals are established but it will be so worth it.

I'm sorry, this is not politically correct but Angela Merkel reminds me of a female Hitler and we all know what we had to do with him, ultimately we had to stand up to him! ‘This is NOT a breakthrough’ Angela Merkel slams May and demands free movement or NOTHING | This Is England

Sorry, I had to vent, rant over!

Well the Brits won't be paying money into the EU system any longer so its logical that they shouldn't have access to the benefits of EU citizens who are still paying into the EU system.... Just like you can't shop at Costco unless you're paying for a membership...

And remember this one very important thing...

EU spells ewww

 

[Depleted]

You still do not get it.

UK vs other EU countries is not like the USA vs Mexico. Its like New York not wanting people from Texas move freely there and wanting to leave the USA because of it.

Its an internal affair.

You failed any chance of ever getting citizenship in the US. (We tend to make sure new citizens understand how this country works.) Our citizens have some idea that a state is not a country. When a German votes for the PM of the UK, France, Greece, etc., and vice versa, THEN we'll start accepting Europe is a country, instead of a continent.

 

[Depleted]

Have you ever noticed that from 200 thousand of quota refugees only about 6 000 was relocated? Most of them to Sweden.

Quotas do not work.

Nothing is as hot as it seems.

Stupid Germany is only one country of 28. It cannot do whatever they want. You are scared and run away instead of fight.

Fight who and why?

Speaking of scared, you're arguing this from your own fear. You fear your country can't make it without the EU. I don't blame you there, but telling other countries they are cowards if they don't fight, seems like a dumb way to get backup from them. And forcing them to fight? When did that ever work?

 

[Depleted]

The free movement of persons inside the EU is a basic article of the European constitution.

The EU is not just a trade agreement. It was 30 years ago. Wake up.

Number of languages is absolutely irrelevant.

Who wants a free market with the EU, must also accept the free movement of persons. It is so for Switzerland, Norway, so it must be so for the UK too. UK is not special in any way.

LOL So the US can't have free market with Europe? 150+ other countries are disagreeing with you.

And if the UK isn't special, why are you so upset they're leaving the EU?

 

[Depleted]

Nonsense.

The example of multiculturalism are the USA, not EU. All EU countries have similar history, culture, religion etc.

I am not sure how you from the USA can judge what is or is not a failure for us, the EU citizens. Its like me talking about your internal problems with black quarters in the US cities and acting like I know better than you...

For me, its absolutely perfect to travel to Germany, Austria or wherever I want without any border control and without any need to get a passport. Not a failure.

Probably because we don't have "black quarters" in the US, you seem to think Europe is white, and you seem to think the best you get now is to cross a border into another country without a passport?

 

[Depleted]

Where are you originally from? You said you are not white.

If you are not even from our continent and consider yourself to be "a true British" having the right to make obstruction to much closer nations to get into UK, I have no idea why you like post against multiculturalism and pro closed borders....

A little consistency, please.

Really? And this written by a man living in a country that wasn't even that country when I was a kid. I guess you don't count either since you're grandparents never lived in the Czech Republic.

Get over this. Europe hasn't been lily white in centuries. Countries change. Surely you know that.

 

[Depleted]

I really can not understand why people as you, who are not even from Europe and still want to live here and get advantages of its highly developed culture and economy can be against "multi-culturalism" and for closed borders...

Its really inconsistent. Like somebody foreign want to say to a family "do not take your brother in, there are too many of us already".

England has been part of Europe a heckuva lot longer than the Czech Republic. What in the world are you talking about?

 

[Depleted]

Never said I wasn't from Europe. Never said I wasn't from Britain. What I said
is that I am not white, in response to your previous post.

As I say, you are just an ignorant person.

Miri, now you know I'm not arguing with you, but would you mind telling, (if you know), how long your family has been in the UK?

According to Trof, I can't be "a true American" either, but on the one side, my family came over on the Mayflower. And on the other side, they came over 20 years before the potato famine. So, I kind of consider myself American in two ways:
1. I was born here.
2. My family has been here from 200-400 years, and still it seems by Trof's calculations I can't be "true American."

Hmm, I wonder if Trof thinks I'm a true Brit for that matter, but my family irked a king and lost his land and head in the process. Worse yet, the other side were Irish. (With a little German mixed in. )

 

[Rockrz]

I am not sure how you from the USA can judge what is or is not a failure for us

The EU is about to go broke for one... and Russia is threatening to wipe yer sorry backsides off the planet and you folks are just as gutless as the US is to do anything about it.

Besides, you guys are a godless bunch across the pond... we had to save you folks like twice and you never paid the bill!

Next time it'll be the anti-christ taking you over and the US will... join you in being deceived cause most folks over here don't know what's in their Bibles just like you folks over there.

I guess misery loves company, eh?

I won't be here by then so you'll be on yer own

Does she is going to kill Jews?

She let in millions of muzlims... just as bad. Actually, hitler was friendly to the muzlims too...

Germany is about to hit rock bottom because of this.

she domineers the EU and although Germany is simply one of 27 member states she effectively runs the show

That's cause Germany puts in the most money and has the strongest economy... for now.

"we want out..."

Best thing the UK did in years!

 

[Tommy379]

Sorry, but all european nations are white.

You know very well what I am talking about. You are immigrant or your family was. So it surprises me you are against immigration or even against free movement inside Europe.

I wonder what you real motives are.

You are the dumbest person of the day. Here is your lollipop.

 

[Miri]

Miri, now you know I'm not arguing with you, but would you mind telling, (if you know), how long your family has been in the UK?

According to Trof, I can't be "a true American" either, but on the one side, my family came over on the Mayflower. And on the other side, they came over 20 years before the potato famine. So, I kind of consider myself American in two ways:
1. I was born here.
2. My family has been here from 200-400 years, and still it seems by Trof's calculations I can't be "true American."

Hmm, I wonder if Trof thinks I'm a true Brit for that matter, but my family irked a king and lost his land and head in the process. Worse yet, the other side were Irish. (With a little German mixed in. )

Well according to the ancestry websites and as up to date as they are, mums married name.
goes back to 1538. Grandparents goes back to 1678.


Hi your welcome to call yourself a fellow Brit any time. Lol

According to Genesis, we all originated from the Middle East, (I just kept the sun tan)

 

[Amazing-Grace]

LOL So the US can't have free market with Europe? 150+ other countries are disagreeing with you.

And if the UK isn't special, why are you so upset they're leaving the EU?

I'll tell you why they are upset Lynn, because after Germany Britain are the biggest financial contributors. Oh I'm under no illusions, they don't give a damn that we're going but they do very much give a damn that we're withdrawing our funds along with it - it's why they want £billions in compensation. It's a good thing I'm not negotiating because they wouldn't get a penny from me for they've already had more than enough from us.

 

[mj007]

But don't you get it? The EU have to set an example, so no-one else follows suite. And we have a stupid moronic Conservative government who are doing the deal so it is going to be bad. Who did you vote for?

God told me who to vote for, as he did anyone with a heart in this heartless selfish country that wants to blame immigration on it's problems. Of course that is because people are easily deluded by fear.

Do you know how much money is thought to be stored in offshore tax havens? £20 trillion. Imagine what we could do with just £1 trillion. When you have a government that puts profits first, you have a declining rate of living standards, of 'free' services (they would prefer people die from not having medical insurance like in the USA), and you get Grenfell Tower, and also, which has been proved statistically, more terrorism under a Tory government.

I love my country, I don't want it to be taken over by elites to the point of no return, like America. No-one has a choice who to vote for in America, they are always the same, they put profits first. Profits and war, and even American people, many of those here, have bloodlust for war and violence, which is pretty apparent by their 'need' for gun rights rather than God being the weapon they carry, and the brutality of their police is a symptom of that.

As negotiations begin for our exit from the EU (Brexit) it is clear to me that the EU are not prepared to give an inch. I thought Theresa May had made a good start in stating that EU citizens currently residing in the UK were going to be allowed to stay with access to full UK rights - the latter after 5 years if they would guarantee the same rights for Brits currently residing in other EU countries. Were these proposals met with a smile? Were they welcomed? Not on your life! They were met with stony faces and a few damning remarks by Merkel and Junker. It is clear to me that they want only one thing in return for a free trade deal - which by the way is equally in their interests...they want free movement of people to and from the UK. This is totally unacceptable and has brought terrorists from further afield - in the main by Merkel herself. No this is not what we voted for! We voted for a clean break, we voted for control of our own borders and I think we need to walk away from anything less. The problem is the government is trying to appease the city and the money big-wigs but the people have spoken, it is time to break free.

Is it OK for a Christian to be angry? I am angry!! Britain has so much to offer the EU, we buy a huge %age of their cars, we have the best armed forces in Europe and we have the 5th largest economy in the world. Our intelligence service is one of - if not the best in the world and they in their arrogance want to take £billions from us to enable us to leave. We do not need to pay them ANYTHING, we simply need to walk away and do business with the rest of the world. Yes initially it will be tough until trading deals are established but it will be so worth it.

I'm sorry, this is not politically correct but Angela Merkel reminds me of a female Hitler and we all know what we had to do with him, ultimately we had to stand up to him! ‘This is NOT a breakthrough’ Angela Merkel slams May and demands free movement or NOTHING | This Is England

Sorry, I had to vent, rant over!

 

[Miri]

Folks have a look at page 16/17 of this, from the official EU audit.


http://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN06455/SN06455.pdf


It shows how much each country puts in financially and how much
each country takes out. You will see that 5 countries put in the most with
Germany the first followed by the UK second. Although the UK takes out less
than Germany so net, the Uk is not that far of Germany's contribution.

Everyone else takes out more than they put in. That's why everyone is
scared of the UK leaving. Who will pick up the bill when the UK has gone, not
to mention pay for everyone's health care and benefits.
Which countries will get ripped off next? Take a guess it's the one protesting the most,
Germany and France. No wonder they are protesting.



Trade deals in the EU don't mean zilch when you are paying out more than you are getting
back.