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"Trump" and "humility" is an oxymoron. If they met each other in a crowd, not only would they be total strangers, but humility would be offended to be in the same room with him.
So you disagree with the notion that humility is the willingness to be known for who you are?
 

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So you disagree with the notion that humility is the willingness to be known for who you are?
Humility is the willingness to "deny self" and put the benefit of others first.
 
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So you disagree with the notion that humility is the willingness to be known for who you are?
Not at all. Trump doesn't display anything that remotely resembles that trait. What he displays is a willingness to let the public think he is the same person he thinks he is -- intelligent, statesman-like, honest. He is none of those things, in my opinion.
 
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Oh how quick we forget fundamental morals illustrated by the lives of our own inspired ancestors of the faith, who are examples for us today. One of the largest yet most under discussed themes in Scripture is there's usually more than the eye can readily see, esp concerning people.
There were 12 princes for Ishmael, 12 kings for Israel, and 12 apostles for Christ. But, we only allow in our previews of the apostles maybe 4; Peter, James, John, and Andrew. And still we have eliminated 1, Judas. We are lacking in our directions on how to proceed; we are stuck! I have been thinking about the remedy to get us unstuck. Probably nobody can tell me who the 12th apostle is. He is the epitome of mankind and our role as the spreaders of the gospel. Who is he?
Matthias. He was one of the 70 sent out by the Christ to preach the gospel. He was chosen as an apostle after the crucifixion by the remaining 11 plus Mary, the mother of Jesus.

Act_1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
 
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Not at all. Trump doesn't display anything that remotely resembles that trait. What he displays is a willingness to let the public think he is the same person he thinks he is -- intelligent, statesman-like, honest. He is none of those things, in my opinion.
Im more curious as to why trump gets you wound up so tight.
 

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Im more curious as to why trump gets you wound up so tight.
Sirk, I posted this elsewhere on another Trump thread of yours, could you please respond?


Can you post a link to a site that lays out Trumps views most clearly and succinctly?
I truly am having trouble getting a radar fix on the gent.
 

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There were 12 princes for Ishmael, 12 kings for Israel, and 12 apostles for Christ. But, we only allow in our previews of the apostles maybe 4; Peter, James, John, and Andrew. And still we have eliminated 1, Judas. We are lacking in our directions on how to proceed; we are stuck! I have been thinking about the remedy to get us unstuck. Probably nobody can tell me who the 12th apostle is. He is the epitome of mankind and our role as the spreaders of the gospel. Who is he?
Matthias. He was one of the 70 sent out by the Christ to preach the gospel. He was chosen as an apostle after the crucifixion by the remaining 11 plus Mary, the mother of Jesus.

Act_1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.
Yes, Matthias was chosen to replace Judas. Why would you think people wouldn't know this? It is recorded in Acts, and everyone I know in my church is well aware of who Matthias was. I don't quite see how you determine that Matthias is the epitome of mankind. Would not that "title" best fit Jesus Christ?


Yes, there were many more Disciples than 12.........but Apostles were limited to 13 as I see it. Paul being one.

The rest of your comment is a bit fragmented as I read it..........do not see the point you are trying to make.
 
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Im more curious as to why trump gets you wound up so tight.
Because fully a quarter of the GOP base is allowing itself to be misled, misguided, and distracted by a gas bag who has no plan, no leadership ability, no broad base of support, and hasn't a chance in hell of being elected. They are listening to meaningless tripe that, as I've said before, is on the same level as Peter Finch's insane anchorman in "Network" -- "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

While it's good to express your emotions, particularly anger, doing so accomplishes absolutely nothing to solve the problems causing the anger. Trump's followers can't seem to discern the difference between expressing the anger and alleviating it, or that he has no answers for doing the latter. Carson, Fiorina, Cruz, Rubio, even Walker do have answers, they've published position papers on virtually every important issue.

But they get drowned out in the media with Trump doing his Vaudeville routine of song and dance while continuing his Peter Finch impersonation. He squanders our time and attention, a nothing who is a giant waste of airtime, a liberal Democrat trying to disguise himself as a populist and probably doesn't even believe what he's saying.

Despite all this, his support seems incapable of seeing through this thin veil of showmanship, and the clown is actually being ridiculously touted as the possible GOP nominee. If he is, he will not only lose by a landslide, but the GOP will lose their majorities in the House and the Senate with him as the party standard bearer. And I still think there is more than a slim chance that is exactly why he's running, to assure Hillary's coronation.

We may as well build our bunkers and arm ourselves well, as the liberal ideal of a politically correct socialist police state will become a reality. That's why this fool gets me so wound up. He should do the same to you, instead of getting you out in front of the bandwagon as his town crier.
 
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Because fully a quarter of the GOP base is allowing itself to be misled, misguided, and distracted by a gas bag who has no plan, no leadership ability, no broad base of support, and hasn't a chance in hell of being elected. They are listening to meaningless tripe that, as I've said before, is on the same level as Peter Finch's insane anchorman in "Network" -- "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!"

While it's good to express your emotions, particularly anger, doing so accomplishes absolutely nothing to solve the problems causing the anger. Trump's followers can't seem to discern the difference between expressing the anger and alleviating it, or that he has no answers for doing the latter. Carson, Fiorina, Cruz, Rubio, even Walker do have answers, they've published position papers on virtually every important issue.

But they get drowned out in the media with Trump doing his Vaudeville routine of song and dance while continuing his Peter Finch impersonation. He squanders our time and attention, a nothing who is a giant waste of airtime, a liberal Democrat trying to disguise himself as a populist and probably doesn't even believe what he's saying.

Despite all this, his support seems incapable of seeing through this thin veil of showmanship, and the clown is actually being ridiculously touted as the possible GOP nominee. If he is, he will not only lose by a landslide, but the GOP will lose their majorities in the House and the Senate with him as the party standard bearer. And I still think there is more than a slim chance that is exactly why he's running, to assure Hillary's coronation.

We may as well build our bunkers and arm ourselves well, as the liberal ideal of a politically correct socialist police state will become a reality. That's why this fool gets me so wound up. He should do the same to you, instead of getting you out in front of the bandwagon as his town crier.
NO the disatisfaction of the Voters with both parties, is JUST LIKE when Teddy Roosevelt ran as an indepentant, and called it the BULL MOOSE PARTY.
 
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NO the disatisfaction of the Voters with both parties, is JUST LIKE when Teddy Roosevelt ran as an indepentant, and called it the BULL MOOSE PARTY.
Interesting you should bring that up. A two-term president, immensely popular, returned to campaign for a third term after a four-year hiatus, despite having hand-picked his successor in 1908, William Howard Taft. He tried but failed to get the GOP nomination from Taft in 1912, and founded the Bull Moose Party and was nominated as it's candidate. His candidacy split the Republican ticket and put the incompetent and sickly Woodrow Wilson in office.

Wilson's decision to enter WWI, after winning reelection on the slogan, "He Kept Us Out of War," is indicative of his vain and vengeful personality. It is unlikely Taft would have entered the war, and had that been the case, there might well have been no Bolshevik revolution in Russia and therefore no deadly 75-year “experiment” in Soviet communism under Lenin, Stalin, and those who followed them.

If Germany had not been humiliated, stripped of 13 percent of its territory, burdened with “war guilt” and heavy reparations, and left in political and economic chaos, a demagogue like Hitler, with his Nazi ideology of racism and blood lust for revenge and conquest through a new war, might not have come to power.

Thanks to Roosevelt's own vanity in seeking a third term and, denied the opportunity by a GOP that saw his time as passed, threw the nation into a century of turmoil running as a third-party candidate.

Or perhaps you'd like to propose that Ross Perot did the U.S. any great favors by running third-party candidacies in 1992 and 1996, thus assuring a disastrous and controversy-filled eight years with Slick Willie?
 

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Interesting you should bring that up. A two-term president, immensely popular, returned to campaign for a third term after a four-year hiatus, despite having hand-picked his successor in 1908, William Howard Taft. He tried but failed to get the GOP nomination from Taft in 1912, and founded the Bull Moose Party and was nominated as it's candidate. His candidacy split the Republican ticket and put the incompetent and sickly Woodrow Wilson in office.

Wilson's decision to enter WWI, after winning reelection on the slogan, "He Kept Us Out of War," is indicative of his vain and vengeful personality. It is unlikely Taft would have entered the war, and had that been the case, there might well have been no Bolshevik revolution in Russia and therefore no deadly 75-year “experiment” in Soviet communism under Lenin, Stalin, and those who followed them.

If Germany had not been humiliated, stripped of 13 percent of its territory, burdened with “war guilt” and heavy reparations, and left in political and economic chaos, a demagogue like Hitler, with his Nazi ideology of racism and blood lust for revenge and conquest through a new war, might not have come to power.

Thanks to Roosevelt's own vanity in seeking a third term and, denied the opportunity by a GOP that saw his time as passed, threw the nation into a century of turmoil running as a third-party candidate.

Or perhaps you'd like to propose that Ross Perot did the U.S. any great favors by running third-party candidacies in 1992 and 1996, thus assuring a disastrous and controversy-filled eight years with Slick Willie?

AND just like in 1912 the Republican Party has LOST TOUCH with the issues their VOTING Constituants consider IMPORTANT, HENCE the popularity of Donald Trump. Multitudes of us are regurgitating on the idea of POLITICS AS USUAL, which is getting NOTHING DONE. They have once again FORGOTTEN it is "WE THE PEOPLE", NOT "WE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY". YES I AM A REPUBLICAN, but give me an Independent Candidate with STRONG born again Christian values, and I could easily be persuaded to vote outside the Republican Party. NO, I do not see any evidence of Donald Trump being a born again Christian.
 
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AND just like in 1912 the Republican Party has LOST TOUCH with the issues their VOTING Constituants consider IMPORTANT, HENCE the popularity of Donald Trump. Multitudes of us are regurgitating on the idea of POLITICS AS USUAL, which is getting NOTHING DONE. They have once again FORGOTTEN it is "WE THE PEOPLE", NOT "WE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY". YES I AM A REPUBLICAN, but give me an Independent Candidate with STRONG born again Christian values, and I could easily be persuaded to vote outside the Republican Party. NO, I do not see any evidence of Donald Trump being a born again Christian.
What makes you think Trump could actually get anything done? Even if we assume the best about him and that he means well, he has so many enemies, they will obstruct him from day 1. Just look how they've done Obama from the very beginning. (Also I understand you are not endorsing Trump.)

I agree though, need someone who can get stuff done, and to add to that, not only get stuff done, but get it done in a manner that benefits the people. Only candidates with a strong record of getting stuff done, and the results thereof being positive are Kasich and Bush.
 
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AND just like in 1912 the Republican Party has LOST TOUCH with the issues their VOTING Constituants consider IMPORTANT, HENCE the popularity of Donald Trump. Multitudes of us are regurgitating on the idea of POLITICS AS USUAL, which is getting NOTHING DONE. They have once again FORGOTTEN it is "WE THE PEOPLE", NOT "WE THE REPUBLICAN PARTY". YES I AM A REPUBLICAN, but give me an Independent Candidate with STRONG born again Christian values, and I could easily be persuaded to vote outside the Republican Party. NO, I do not see any evidence of Donald Trump being a born again Christian.
Why do you champion a fool when there are valid candidates in the GOP race -- Ben Carson, perhaps Mike Huckabee -- who meet the qualifications you claim to seek?

Carson speaks softly, calmly, clearly, rationally, with a plan. He is not bombastic, he is not loud and obnoxious. He simply speaks truth. What more could you want?
 

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Why do you champion a fool when there are valid candidates in the GOP race -- Ben Carson, perhaps Mike Huckabee -- who meet the qualifications you claim to seek?

Carson speaks softly, calmly, clearly, rationally, with a plan. He is not bombastic, he is not loud and obnoxious. He simply speaks truth. What more could you want?
I guess you DID NOT READ my last two sentences in my last post at all. I certainly DO NOT champion Trump, however HE CERTAINLY POINTED OUT WHAT REST OF THE PARTY WAS IGNORING.

1. We want a WALL on the border that can be much easier patrolled by drones, and with censors in the ground to detect tunneling, plus we want every National Guard unit on that walled border for their two weeks training every year. And if the Mexican Government refuses to pay for it, we just deduct the entire cost from the AID we send them, and/or increase the import taxes on goods manufactured in Mexico to pay for it.
2. We want illegals deported, and handed the correct papers to apply for Legal Citizenship, and told they have to wait their turn.
3. We want the Military built up again, until they are once again the MAJOR Deterrent we once were, and laws put in place to forbid Congress from forbidding the bombing of HIGH VALUE TARGETS for political purposes like they did in Vietnam. Congress even forbade the bombing of the SAM sites near Hanoi that were shooting our B-52's out of the sky, because Politicians FEARED it might have a negative effect on the upcoming elections, NO THANKS to Hanoi Jane.
4. We want to FIRE the IRS and replace it with a flat rate Consumption Tax, (National Sales TAX). I will gladly pay my $10 on a $100 purchase, if the rich man pays his $100,000 on his $1,000,000 purchase.
5. We want a REAL Watchdog Service to make absolutely sure there is NO GOVERNMENT WASTE OF TAX DOLLARS, we want to MAKE SURE we get every penny's worth. AND we want to make sure that everyone who RIPS OFF the Government or it's Services, goes to Prison for a substantial amount of time.
6. We want able bodied Welfare Recipients to WORK for the money they get. They could be Cleaning Public Toilets, Cleaning City Parks, Cleaning Road Ditches, etc., etc.
7. We want the rights of Christians to live and practice their FAITH PUBLICLY, protected, and the erosion of those rights STOPPED PERMANENTLY IN THEIR TRACKS.
8. We want
ISIS stopped and eradicated permanently. They are worse than the NAZIs of WWII.
9. We want to see the NATIONAL DEBT being EFFECTIVELY PAID OFF, by eliminating GOVERNMENT WASTE, UNNECESSARY PROGRAMS, a FAIR flat rate taxes which will increase Revenue, and establishing Government owned Gold and Silver Mines and Oil Wells on Government owned land, providing MORE JOBS.
10. We want a Policy of AMERICAN ECONOMY FIRST, Foreign AID second as it can be afforded. NO MORE RED INK FOR ANY REASON. We want the GOVERNMENT to do exactly what every one of us has to do, LIVE WITHIN OUR MEANS and get our money's worth.

NOW THOSE are what most of us Republican Voters consider the really important issues, and LOOK how many of them were being ignored because our Politicians were scared that taking up those issues as part of the Republican platform, might cost them VOTES. THAT is why Donald Trump is so Popular today.

So who would I like to see take up these 10 important issues and become President? Mike Huckabee with Ted Cruz or Ben Carson as his running mate.
 
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I guess you DID NOT READ my last two sentences in my last post at all. I certainly DO NOT champion Trump, however HE CERTAINLY POINTED OUT WHAT REST OF THE PARTY WAS IGNORING.
Why do you make the gross error of saying "the rest of the party" is ignoring these issues? Have you actually read the position papers of other candidates, or are you just regurgitating what the media is telling you -- including Fox News, which has inexplicably become a cheerleader for this empty headed moron?

Read Ben Carson on immigration.

Read Marco Rubio on Immigration.

Read Carly Fiorina on immigration.

Read Mike Huckabee on immigration.

Read Ben Carson on the military.

Read Marco Rubio on the military.

Read Carly Fiorina on the military.

Read Mike Huckabee on the military.

Get the idea yet? You can enter any candidates name and any issue into Google and you'll get their positions.

For God sake's people! Stop taking the media's word for anything and find it out for yourselves! Damn!
 

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Why do you make the gross error of saying "the rest of the party" is ignoring these issues? Have you actually read the position papers of other candidates, or are you just regurgitating what the media is telling you -- including Fox News, which has inexplicably become a cheerleader for this empty headed moron?

Read Ben Carson on immigration.

Read Marco Rubio on Immigration.

Read Carly Fiorina on immigration.

Read Mike Huckabee on immigration.

Read Ben Carson on the military.

Read Marco Rubio on the military.

Read Carly Fiorina on the military.

Read Mike Huckabee on the military.

Get the idea yet? You can enter any candidates name and any issue into Google and you'll get their positions.

For God sake's people! Stop taking the media's word for anything and find it out for yourselves! Damn!

You are MISSING THE POINT, how many bills on those issues have been passed, and HOW MANY HAVE THEY TRIED TO OVER-RIDE the President's VETO? Their track record of actually getting something done, STINKS. We are left with this Politics as Usual foreboding; giving us the impression that they are more concerned with getting re-elected, than DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
 
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Why do you make the gross error of saying "the rest of the party" is ignoring these issues? Have you actually read the position papers of other candidates, or are you just regurgitating what the media is telling you -- including Fox News, which has inexplicably become a cheerleader for this empty headed moron?

Read Ben Carson on immigration.

Read Marco Rubio on Immigration.

Read Carly Fiorina on immigration.

Read Mike Huckabee on immigration.

Read Ben Carson on the military.

Read Marco Rubio on the military.

Read Carly Fiorina on the military.

Read Mike Huckabee on the military.

Get the idea yet? You can enter any candidates name and any issue into Google and you'll get their positions.

For God sake's people! Stop taking the media's word for anything and find it out for yourselves! Damn!
READ Donald Trump on Immigration

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/images/uploads/Immigration-Reform-Trump.pdf

Is this specific enough for you or will you be sarcastically critical once again?
 
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You are MISSING THE POINT, how many bills on those issues have been passed, and HOW M,ANY HAVE THEY TRIED TO OVER-RIDE the President's VETO?
You're the one missing the point! Carson, Huckabee, and Fiorina aren't in Congress now! Rubio is, but what can one senator do without the cooperation of 99 others? You';re just like Trump -- ranting and raving about problems the ones at which he rants and raves can do nothing. You're ranting and raving about a stagnant, politically shackled Congress when the subject at hand is the presidency.

Their track record of actually getting something done, STINKS.
I reiterate, Carson, Huckabee, and Fiorina are not in Congress now. Neither is Trump, but Carson, Huckabee, and Trump have actually accomplished something in life other than blatant self-promotion for profit, and actually have plans for doing something about the mess we're in.

We are left with this Politics as Usual foreboding; giving us the impression that they are more concerned with getting re-elected, than DOING WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE.
Your anger and rant have overtaken your reason. You claim "politics as usual" and include all but Trump in that mix. That's the height of cluelessness. You are looking at the clanging cymbal and calling it's noise "good" while ignoring the quiet calm over in the corner that can actually get the job done.
 

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You're the one missing the point! Carson, Huckabee, and Fiorina aren't in Congress now! Rubio is, but what can one senator do without the cooperation of 99 others? You';re just like Trump -- ranting and raving about problems the ones at which he rants and raves can do nothing. You're ranting and raving about a stagnant, politically shackled Congress when the subject at hand is the presidency.

I reiterate, Carson, Huckabee, and Fiorina are not in Congress now. Neither is Trump, but Carson, Huckabee, and Trump have actually accomplished something in life other than blatant self-promotion for profit, and actually have plans for doing something about the mess we're in.

Your anger and rant have overtaken your reason. You claim "politics as usual" and include all but Trump in that mix. That's the height of cluelessness. You are looking at the clanging cymbal and calling it's noise "good" while ignoring the quiet calm over in the corner that can actually get the job done.
I am saying the Republican Party itself needs to WAKE UP and really listen to their VOTERS, instead of continuing reiterating what the GOP as always said. TRUMP's popularity stems from "WE are going plot a new course to be make America Great Again." The GOP old ways are KILLING the goose that laid the golden egg.

Oh it is NOT a rant out of anger, too old for that. It is frustration with the GOP talking a good game and DOING NOTHING, because they are more interested in maintaining the old Part line, so they get re-elected, while accomplishing NOTHING.
 
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I am saying the Republican Party itself needs to WAKE UP and really listen to their VOTERS, instead of continuing reiterating what the GOP as always said. TRUMP's popularity stems from "WE are going plot a new course to be make America Great Again." The GOP old ways are KILLING the goose that laid the golden egg.

Oh it is NOT a rant out of anger, too old for that. It is frustration with the GOP talking a good game and DOING NOTHING, because they are more interested in maintaining the old Part line, so they get re-elected, while accomplishing NOTHING.
I like this mentality, pragmatism beats party pandering.

If you want someone that gets stuff done then do some research on Kasich. He has a long record of getting stuff done, and for the positive at that in both the House and as Governor. Quickly too! In his first term as Governor he pulled Ohio out of debt and into surplus, got the jobs coming back in, and got the infrastructure projects that languished under the Democrats back up and running. He also knows his place as servant of the people, not as a pseudo-dictator like how Bush and Obama ran things.

Let's just be blunt, Trump don't have a record, you don't what he'll do. Fiorina don't have a record, you don't know what she'll do. Carson don't have a record, don't know what he'll do. The other candidates, except Bush, got records, but they ain't got results. They been playing gridlock games with Obama the past few years. Kasich has a record and I know Kasich will get results because he all ready has and I didn't even vote for him the first time.