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who are you kidding, and your trying to quote in context. can you tell me this.
and a new covenant started ,when. has jesus been on the cross yet. to your quote. ( that would be no)
and was my quote in english.
so since you cant quote in context, then your never going to see anything. would that be logical to speculate given your answers. etc
that would also mean know body has told a gentile yet. etc
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Do you have the slightest clue as to what you're talking about? This is nothing but gibberish.
First, in the New Covenant salvation is the same as it was under the old -- by faith, and one cannot express faith after death.
Second, the Greek is always relevant, since it was the original language of the New Testament.
Third, find something, somewhere in Scripture, that says Jesus saves men after death.
Fourth, I explained why I was changing translations. It is plainly stated in the post you edited to include your remarks.
Now how about this, Royal? Explain the gospel to me, in your own terms. Please. Because the constant appearance you give of believing that all men are saved, if not before death than after, cannot be supported from Scripture!
First, in the New Covenant salvation is the same as it was under the old -- by faith, and one cannot express faith after death.
Second, the Greek is always relevant, since it was the original language of the New Testament.
Third, find something, somewhere in Scripture, that says Jesus saves men after death.
Fourth, I explained why I was changing translations. It is plainly stated in the post you edited to include your remarks.
Now how about this, Royal? Explain the gospel to me, in your own terms. Please. Because the constant appearance you give of believing that all men are saved, if not before death than after, cannot be supported from Scripture!
You're. You're. You're.
Just too funny reading, your wrong.
Just too funny reading, your wrong.
dont see any proof to your comment. so keep reading ,we might get to the quote that proves you wrong, if not, its good to know, something you dont.
and when is new and old the same. ie why change it, if its the same. (easy to see )
feel free to answer, what has already been quoted to you, and if its gibberish feel free to shut up,
why are you quoting back if its gibberish,(yet continue to tell point by point plan or opinion)cant be that gibberish then, can it.
i have already told you your point by point is out of context. (in the last quote.)
if you want to answer what has already spoken to you, in context.
feel free to answer, what has already been quoted to you, and if its gibberish feel free to shut up,
why are you quoting back if its gibberish,(yet continue to tell point by point plan or opinion)cant be that gibberish then, can it.
i have already told you your point by point is out of context. (in the last quote.)
if you want to answer what has already spoken to you, in context.
clueless, how would you see answer less , yet you come across with this rubbish, when did i quote, when did i quote matthew 10 -41( repeating ) just because you did a word search on the bible and came up with that verse, )
when did i quote that. ( again cluesless, you never answer))
when did you save your self(again clueless to answer.you never answered) defends faith with quotes from the bible .
when did you answer all men(again clueless you never answered)
the only one that is clueless, is you,you based your finding in a verse ,you found, and cant even see your own folly.
so you quoted this, yet you cant see, or address the world , believer. or reward given to a believer, yet it also saying, who ever aids you, helps you, believes your a believer of jesus, when did it say they had to be a believer to aid or help you.
etc.
40 "Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me.41 The one who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and the one who receives a righteous person because he is a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward.42 And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward."
can you underline that part that said they need to believe in jesus to receive a person, prophet or righteous person.
and can you also tell me when they get this reward. would that be after death. and would the helper or aid would, they know there is a reward. etc
again i never quoted this. yet you added the old covenant to in an other post.
clueless to your own quotes.
again when did a gentile, save him self. and when can a christian point to god, and say why are you saving that person. (given they are saved by the same grace)ie cant save your self or other, but can on quote the bible, to prove that it is god that saves .
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose Galatians 2
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.Galatians 5
feel free to answer, your own quote,
when did i quote that. ( again cluesless, you never answer))
when did you save your self(again clueless to answer.you never answered) defends faith with quotes from the bible .
when did you answer all men(again clueless you never answered)
the only one that is clueless, is you,you based your finding in a verse ,you found, and cant even see your own folly.
so you quoted this, yet you cant see, or address the world , believer. or reward given to a believer, yet it also saying, who ever aids you, helps you, believes your a believer of jesus, when did it say they had to be a believer to aid or help you.
etc.
40 "Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me.41 The one who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and the one who receives a righteous person because he is a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward.42 And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward."
can you underline that part that said they need to believe in jesus to receive a person, prophet or righteous person.
and can you also tell me when they get this reward. would that be after death. and would the helper or aid would, they know there is a reward. etc
again i never quoted this. yet you added the old covenant to in an other post.
clueless to your own quotes.
again when did a gentile, save him self. and when can a christian point to god, and say why are you saving that person. (given they are saved by the same grace)ie cant save your self or other, but can on quote the bible, to prove that it is god that saves .
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose Galatians 2
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.Galatians 5
feel free to answer, your own quote,
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so you quoted this, yet you cant see, or address the word , believer. or reward given to a believer, yet is saying, who ever aids you, helps a believes.
believes , your a believer of jesus, when did it say they had to be a believer to aid or help you.
etc. to get the reward.
so you quoted this, yet you cant see, or address the word , believer. or reward given to a believer, yet is saying, who ever aids you, helps a believes.
believes , your a believer of jesus, when did it say they had to be a believer to aid or help you.
etc. to get the reward.
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Dude, I know the Bible. I didn't have to do a word search. And you did quote a portion of Matthew 10:41 and are apparently too stupid to even know that you did! You throw out the phraswe "prophet's reward," which appears nowhere in the BIble but Matthew 10:41, and when I say you quoted it, you ask when? Either you're demented, a liar, clueless, or all three.
That's an outright lie. Look at the very post to which you replied!
Another lie, nor should it be necessary for me even to say it. Anyone who has read my posts over the months knows good and well I do not believe we can do anything to save ourselves.
Oh, geez! God forbid I should speak of the things of God from God's word!
That's it, I'm done here. You ask questions, I answer, with biblical proof for their content, and you claim "you never answered." You're obviously ignorant, arrogant, and self-serving. That last "sentence" (??) I quoted has got to be the stupidest single "accusation" I've seen from anyone. "Defends faith from Bible." What a moron!
How you manage to not get banned from this site is beyond me, but I certainly don't have to deal with your lies, confusion, and anti-Gospel stupidity any longer.
That's an outright lie. Look at the very post to which you replied!
Another lie, nor should it be necessary for me even to say it. Anyone who has read my posts over the months knows good and well I do not believe we can do anything to save ourselves.
Oh, geez! God forbid I should speak of the things of God from God's word!
That's it, I'm done here. You ask questions, I answer, with biblical proof for their content, and you claim "you never answered." You're obviously ignorant, arrogant, and self-serving. That last "sentence" (??) I quoted has got to be the stupidest single "accusation" I've seen from anyone. "Defends faith from Bible." What a moron!
How you manage to not get banned from this site is beyond me, but I certainly don't have to deal with your lies, confusion, and anti-Gospel stupidity any longer.
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Dude, I know the Bible. I didn't have to do a word search. And you did quote a portion of Matthew 10:41 and are apparently too stupid to even know that you did! You throw out the phraswe "prophet's reward," which appears nowhere in the BIble but Matthew 10:41, and when I say you quoted it, you ask when? Either you're demented, a liar, clueless, or all three.( i just proved you wrong) s for the rest of your quote. you can put it next to your speculation, with no proof.
Dude, I know the Bible. I didn't have to do a word search. And you did quote a portion of Matthew 10:41 and are apparently too stupid to even know that you did! You throw out the phraswe "prophet's reward," which appears nowhere in the BIble but Matthew 10:41, and when I say you quoted it, you ask when? Either you're demented, a liar, clueless, or all three.(when did i quote
your meaning to prophets reward and mine differ. so now your omitting, you quoted this verse, i know how to post a bible verse, and making a statement out side of a bible ,quote. differ would you agree
That's an outright lie. Look at the very post to which you replied!( if i quoted Matthew 10:41, ) you used this verse in ure post. so again. do you want to answer anything, or are you going to rant away. about something i did not quote.
No, you quoted Matthew 10:41. This is Romans 5:8-21 ... and you misinterpret it badly!, (can you give the post number, that i posted this verse. and we will see who is lying)
until you give me the post number to this. then its you who is lying.
no answer, given to
40 "Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me.41 The one who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and the one who receives a righteous person because he is a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward.42 And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward."
can you underline that part that said they need to believe in jesus to receive a person, prophet or righteous person.
and can you also tell me when they get this reward. would that be after death. and would the helper or aid would, they know there is a reward. etc
originally post by who
Originally Posted by Viligant_Warrior
No, you quoted Matthew 10:41. This is Romans 5:8-21 ... and you misinterpret it badly!(when did i quote (Matthew 10:41)
(give the post number, not what you thing i meant)
"Leads to," "there resulted" etc. are all poorly rendered translations of the simple Greek wordeiß (eis) which typically means "for." A proper reading would be, "... one act of righteousness provides for justification ... "
But all those other verses I quoted to you earlier absolutely demand that a man must believe for salvation -- a true and sincere belief that he is indeed a sinner in need of a Savior who is Christ. You can't possibly think "all men believe." That's ridiculous.
The Holman Christian Standard Bible puts it best, I think:Romans 5, HCSB
18 So then, as through one trespass there is condemnation for everyone, so also through one righteous act there is life-giving justification for everyone.
There is life-giving justification available to everyone -- but only through true and sincere faith in Jesus Christ.
so picks and choose, to what you answered. why should people get banned for opinion.
your meaning to prophets reward and mine differ. so now your omitting, you quoted this verse, i know how to post a bible verse, and making a statement out side of a bible ,quote. differ would you agree
That's an outright lie. Look at the very post to which you replied!( if i quoted Matthew 10:41, ) you used this verse in ure post. so again. do you want to answer anything, or are you going to rant away. about something i did not quote.
No, you quoted Matthew 10:41. This is Romans 5:8-21 ... and you misinterpret it badly!, (can you give the post number, that i posted this verse. and we will see who is lying)
until you give me the post number to this. then its you who is lying.
no answer, given to
40 "Whoever receives you receives me, and whoever receives me receives him who sent me.41 The one who receives a prophet because he is a prophet will receive a prophet's reward, and the one who receives a righteous person because he is a righteous person will receive a righteous person's reward.42 And whoever gives one of these little ones even a cup of cold water because he is a disciple, truly, I say to you, he will by no means lose his reward."
can you underline that part that said they need to believe in jesus to receive a person, prophet or righteous person.
and can you also tell me when they get this reward. would that be after death. and would the helper or aid would, they know there is a reward. etc
originally post by who
No, you quoted Matthew 10:41. This is Romans 5:8-21 ... and you misinterpret it badly!(when did i quote (Matthew 10:41)
(give the post number, not what you thing i meant)
"Leads to," "there resulted" etc. are all poorly rendered translations of the simple Greek wordeiß (eis) which typically means "for." A proper reading would be, "... one act of righteousness provides for justification ... "
But all those other verses I quoted to you earlier absolutely demand that a man must believe for salvation -- a true and sincere belief that he is indeed a sinner in need of a Savior who is Christ. You can't possibly think "all men believe." That's ridiculous.
The Holman Christian Standard Bible puts it best, I think:Romans 5, HCSB
18 So then, as through one trespass there is condemnation for everyone, so also through one righteous act there is life-giving justification for everyone.
There is life-giving justification available to everyone -- but only through true and sincere faith in Jesus Christ.
so picks and choose, to what you answered. why should people get banned for opinion.
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originally post by who
Originally Posted by Viligant_Warrior
No, you quoted Matthew 10:41. This is Romans 5:8-21 ... and you misinterpret it badly!(when did i quote (Matthew 10:41)
(give the post number, not what you thing i meant)
"Leads to," "there resulted" etc. are all poorly rendered translations of the simple Greek wordeiß (eis)which typically means "for." A proper reading would be, "... one act of righteousness provides for justification ... "
But all those other verses I quoted to you earlier absolutely demand that a man must believe for salvation -- a true and sincere belief that he is indeed a sinner in need of a Savior who is Christ. You can't possibly think "all men believe." That's ridiculous.
The Holman Christian Standard Bible puts it best, I think:Romans 5, HCSB
18 So then, as through one trespass there is condemnation for everyone, so also through one righteous act there is life-giving justification for everyone.
There is life-giving justification available to everyone -- but only through true and sincere faith in Jesus Christ.
No, you quoted Matthew 10:41. This is Romans 5:8-21 ... and you misinterpret it badly!(when did i quote (Matthew 10:41)
(give the post number, not what you thing i meant)
"Leads to," "there resulted" etc. are all poorly rendered translations of the simple Greek wordeiß (eis)which typically means "for." A proper reading would be, "... one act of righteousness provides for justification ... "
But all those other verses I quoted to you earlier absolutely demand that a man must believe for salvation -- a true and sincere belief that he is indeed a sinner in need of a Savior who is Christ. You can't possibly think "all men believe." That's ridiculous.
The Holman Christian Standard Bible puts it best, I think:Romans 5, HCSB
18 So then, as through one trespass there is condemnation for everyone, so also through one righteous act there is life-giving justification for everyone.
There is life-giving justification available to everyone -- but only through true and sincere faith in Jesus Christ.
no answer given
again when did a gentile, save him self. and when can a christian point to god, and say why are you saving that person. (given they are saved by the same grace)ie cant save your self or other, but can on quote the bible, to prove that it is god that saves .
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose Galatians 2
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.Galatians 5
feel free to answer, your own quote,
That's it, I'm done here. You ask questions, I answer, with biblical proof for their content, and you claim "you never answered." You're obviously ignorant, arrogant, and self-serving. That last "sentence" (??) I quoted has got to be the stupidest single "accusation" I've seen from anyone. "Defends faith from Bible." What a moron!(your quote)
apart from the moron , and lies, etc.
did you answer this part, that would be no.
again when did a gentile, save him self. and when can a christian point to god, and say why are you saving that person. (given they are saved by the same grace)ie cant save your self or other, but can on quote the bible, to prove that it is god that saves .
21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose Galatians 2
29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise.Galatians 3
1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.Galatians 5
feel free to answer, your own quote,
That's it, I'm done here. You ask questions, I answer, with biblical proof for their content, and you claim "you never answered." You're obviously ignorant, arrogant, and self-serving. That last "sentence" (??) I quoted has got to be the stupidest single "accusation" I've seen from anyone. "Defends faith from Bible." What a moron!(your quote)
apart from the moron , and lies, etc.
did you answer this part, that would be no.
and without spiritual gifts in a church or sect, how can you move forward, in the rhema word ,of god ( the now word of god)without prophesy.
then you would be tied to the logus word.(the writen word) ie almost 2000 years old, so . why , did paul gave the scripture to,( the body )(and who can say to an other, parts, you dont belong. )cor
and (spiritual gifts) etc. cor etc
to some nothing changes, and they wonder why there is controversy. ( with different)religion and dogmas and taboos)
grace is a gift, and if it is a gift, then you/me, can never saved our selfs. (period)
then you would be tied to the logus word.(the writen word) ie almost 2000 years old, so . why , did paul gave the scripture to,( the body )(and who can say to an other, parts, you dont belong. )cor
and (spiritual gifts) etc. cor etc
to some nothing changes, and they wonder why there is controversy. ( with different)religion and dogmas and taboos)
grace is a gift, and if it is a gift, then you/me, can never saved our selfs. (period)