Born Again Virgin?

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amiracle

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What do you think of "born-again virgins"? If someone has pre-marital sex with more partners than they can remember, can they still just stop having sex and claim to be a born again virgin? They always say "you can't turn a ho into a housewife" or "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free" so should people who are not pure anymore even try to be born again virgins? What is the point in trying to make yourself pure for your future husband/wife if you are far from pure and never will be pure again?
 
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amiracle said:
What do you think of "born-again virgins"? If someone has pre-marital sex with more partners than they can remember, can they still just stop having sex and claim to be a born again virgin? They always say "you can't turn a ho into a housewife" or "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free" so should people who are not pure anymore even try to be born again virgins? What is the point in trying to make yourself pure for your future husband/wife if you are far from pure and never will be pure again?
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We should strive to make ourselves pure FOR GOD, not for another person.
What is the point!? We are to repent of our sins and try our best to not repeat them. Can that be hard? Absolutely, but it doesn't mean we should throw in the towel with whatever sins we may struggle with. If we truly love God we seek to do His will and follow his commandments. He can and will wash us clean.

Grace is not a license to sin.

I say just throw out this "born again virgin'' term though. I have no idea where that even comes from.

Here is some scripture that I see relating to this kind of thing:

John 8:1-11

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8 1 but Jesus went to the Mount of Olives.
2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “Let any one of you who is without sin be the first to throw a stone at her.” 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”
11 “No one, sir,” she said.
“Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”
 
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wwjd_kilden

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*tries to come up with any kind of sensible answer to that term*

.... it sounds like a term invented to either confuse or provoke.
 
Nautilus

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Its a way people who get a little wild in their younger years can make themselves feel better about their indiscretions. Its something you cant just get back though.
 
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Nautilus said:
Its a way people who get a little wild in their younger years can make themselves feel better about their indiscretions. Its something you cant just get back though.
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My point exactly. Once someone has sex, they will never be a virgin again. I never understood this term but I always hear about people "reclaiming their virginity" or bragging about how long they have been abstinent. I don't really see the point. If someone has already had sex, why try to call yourself a virgin again just because you got tired of being a whore? but I guess people do it for God to make it easier to get over their past.
 
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amiracle said:
What do you think of "born-again virgins"? If someone has pre-marital sex with more partners than they can remember, can they still just stop having sex and claim to be a born again virgin? They always say "you can't turn a ho into a housewife" or "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free" so should people who are not pure anymore even try to be born again virgins? What is the point in trying to make yourself pure for your future husband/wife if you are far from pure and never will be pure again?
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It has nothing to do with being pure for your future spouse. It has everything to do with God declaring premarital sex a sin. Its as simple as that. We are called to root out the sins in our life to live as faithful servants to God, not to please our future spouse, or anyone else. Just the same as any other sin.
 
Nautilus

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Ugly said:
It has nothing to do with being pure for your future spouse. It has everything to do with God declaring premarital sex a sin. Its as simple as that. We are called to root out the sins in our life to live as faithful servants to God, not to please our future spouse, or anyone else. Just the same as any other sin.
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UNderstandable, but that doesnt make anyone a virgin again...
 
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Nautilus said:
Its a way people who get a little wild in their younger years can make themselves feel better about their indiscretions. Its something you cant just get back though.
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The thing is, there are plenty of people who have lost their virginity that didn't get "a little wild" but made a bad choice in the heat of the moment. Some people choose to place a name on their renewed commitment to sexual purity, not because they think the can regain something lost, or to "make themselves feel better."

amiracle said:
My point exactly. Once someone has sex, they will never be a virgin again. I never understood this term but I always hear about people "reclaiming their virginity" or bragging about how long they have been abstinent. I don't really see the point. If someone has already had sex, why try to call yourself a virgin again just because you got tired of being a whore? but I guess people do it for God to make it easier to get over their past.
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Wow, condemning much? Since you're relatively new here you probably have no idea how many brothers and sisters that frequent this forum you indirectly called a whore. Someone who has had sex outside of marriage is a sinner just like yourself. Just because you may not have committed that particular sin sure doesn't make you any better than us. I've said this before in other threads, I would by far rather marry a woman who has in her past committed sexual sin, repented, and recommitted to a life of sexual purity than a woman that lacks any commitment to sexual purity that readily will engage in just about any sexual activity except intercourse just so she can call herself a virgin.

As singles, Christ called us to lives of sexual purity, not virginity. Yes, there is a huge difference.
 
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Jullianna

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amiracle said:
My point exactly. Once someone has sex, they will never be a virgin again. I never understood this term but I always hear about people "reclaiming their virginity" or bragging about how long they have been abstinent. I don't really see the point. If someone has already had sex, why try to call yourself a virgin again just because you got tired of being a whore? but I guess people do it for God to make it easier to get over their past.
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I'm not a fan of christian "catch phrases" either, but it seems doubtful that they are doing it because they "got tired of being a whore"; but rather, like the woman at the well, they are grateful for Christ's mercy and grace, and have chosen to do as He said... "Go and sin no more". So, as long as they have repentant hearts and are now living for Christ, I can't imagine why any of us would have an issue with what they choose to call it.
 
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UNderstandable, but that doesnt make anyone a virgin again...
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Point to me where i said it did. Cause i'm not seeing it. If you're going to try to criticize a post, at least criticize whats there, and don't make things up that don't exist in the post.
 
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amiracle said:
What do you think of "born-again virgins"? If someone has pre-marital sex with more partners than they can remember, can they still just stop having sex and claim to be a born again virgin? They always say "you can't turn a ho into a housewife" or "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free" so should people who are not pure anymore even try to be born again virgins? What is the point in trying to make yourself pure for your future husband/wife if you are far from pure and never will be pure again?
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Uhmm... the correct term would be a reformed woman. I think it's wrong to judge someone because of their past. Everyone commits a mistake and no one is an exemption. I'm not saying that doing premarital sex is okay because it is definitely not!

The bible cleary says in Ephesians 5:4-5
"But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. 4 Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. 5 For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous ( that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God."

1 Corinthians 6:12-20

12 “All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything. 13 “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! 16 Or do you not know that he who is joined[d] to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.” 17 But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. 18 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin[e] a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, 20 for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

Now that you have accepted Jesus Christ as your personal savior. You ought to abstain or flee away from things that are not desirable and glorifying God.

2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!
 
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If someone truly loves you then he wouldn't mind your past regardless how dreadful it was. I think it is also important your soon to be husband must be aware of it rather than keeping it as a secret from him. Idk. Uhmm... Correct me if i'm wrong.
 
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I believe if someone has just acceptted Christ as Savior, and repented the term born-again virgin isn't so bad to me. Yes, if they have had pre-martial sex, they aren't but if they are truly trying to follow God, I see no problem with it.
 
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amiracle said:
My point exactly. Once someone has sex, they will never be a virgin again. I never understood this term but I always hear about people "reclaiming their virginity" or bragging about how long they have been abstinent. I don't really see the point. If someone has already had sex, why try to call yourself a virgin again just because you got tired of being a whore? but I guess people do it for God to make it easier to get over their past.
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Are you ok? Seriously, You seem like a very angry young woman? I'm not trying to be rude, but i can only assume your the" whore" you mention here in this post. Or maybe you got cheated on and the only way to make yourself feel better is to call people you don't know ho's and whore's. Or maybe you have a really low self esteem. FYI amiracle whore actually means a prostitue, a woman that has sex for money. Didn't know if you knew that or not.
In all honestly I would expect a 16 year old to say things like you did in your post here, not a 23 year old grown woman. I'm actually struggling to believe you are indeed 23. I'm thinking surely a 23 year old would realize that just because a man or woman has had sex outside of marriage doesn't make them a prostitute, or whore as you like to call people. I mean surely a 23 year old GROWN christian woman realizes that we all sin and fall short of the glory of God.

Healthy people help people, hurting people hurt others. Your obviously hurting. Why else would you use such vulgar words when describing people who have sinned.

When i get to heaven, and i finally see Jesus face to face. When he looks at me this is what i hope he says.

Thank you for loving me enough to try and obey my commands. I know it was tough, and i know how much you struggled, but Well done my good and faithful servant!!

When i get to heaven and i finally see Jesus looking at me i know something he isn't going to say.

You had sex when you weren't supposed to. You may as well of kept on doing it. Why even try and be a virgin again when you've already screwed up.. What was it Holly, were you tired of being such a whore???


I tell you what... thinking about it. If anyone called something i made and loved such names like that. I would probably be put in jail for assault and battery. I can only imagine the way Jesus feels when someone insults his creation.
 
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amiracle

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Are you ok? Seriously, You seem like a very angry young woman? I'm not trying to be rude, but i can only assume your the" whore" you mention here in this post. Or maybe you got cheated on and the only way to make yourself feel better is to call people you don't know ho's and whore's. Or maybe you have a really low self esteem. FYI amiracle whore actually means a prostitue, a woman that has sex for money. Didn't know if you knew that or not.
In all honestly I would expect a 16 year old to say things like you did in your post here, not a 23 year old grown woman. I'm actually struggling to believe you are indeed 23. I'm thinking surely a 23 year old would realize that just because a man or woman has had sex outside of marriage doesn't make them a prostitute, or whore as you like to call people. I mean surely a 23 year old GROWN christian woman realizes that we all sin and fall short of the glory of God.

Healthy people help people, hurting people hurt others. Your obviously hurting. Why else would you use such vulgar words when describing people who have sinned.

When i get to heaven, and i finally see Jesus face to face. When he looks at me this is what i hope he says.

Thank you for loving me enough to try and obey my commands. I know it was tough, and i know how much you struggled, but Well done my good and faithful servant!!

When i get to heaven and i finally see Jesus looking at me i know something he isn't going to say.

You had sex when you weren't supposed to. You may as well of kept on doing it. Why even try and be a virgin again when you've already screwed up.. What was it Holly, were you tired of being such a whore???


I tell you what... thinking about it. If anyone called something i made and loved such names like that. I would probably be put in jail for assault and battery. I can only imagine the way Jesus feels when someone insults his creation.
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Yes i am okay and yes I am 23 years old. I do not go around calling people whores and hos. I was just referencing the language and cliches used by those that don't believe in "born again virgins" or use these terms on people who are trying to change. When I say they got tired of being a whore I am talking about people who went around willfully having sex with any and everybody then once their rep is screwed up, they go around claiming they are a virgin again just because they decided to stop having sex a few months ago or because they have been "abstinent" for 2 weeks. I am not here to call anyone names or judge anyone. I just was wondering what you all think of the term born again virgin. Personally I think if you have been committing any type of sin and want to quit then you should quit. I am not directing this post at people who were raped or had sex before they were married with someone they were committed to. I am saying do you agree that people who have purposefully lived a very promiscious lifestyle, can suddenly go around calling themselves a virgin again just because they got tired of that life? I agree with dliz that its better to call yourself a reformed woman/man because you will never be a virgin again.
 
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I can't imagine anyone having the intelligence to coin such a phrase not understanding that they can't physically be a virgin again.
Why does it matter what they choose to call themselves?


If someone who had lived a life that was overtly sexual became a christian and was constantly being judged or shunned by those who self-righteously held their past against them when Christ didn't, they might feel the need to use such an expression to make this point:


2 Corinthians 5:17
Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!
 
Snackersmom

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^^^^Yes! :)

Everyone knows that you can't PHYSICALLY get your virginity back, but you CAN make a commitment to purity after you come to Jesus. The term "virgin in Christ" comes to mind, but whatever term you use, the old life before Jesus cleansed you has certainly gone away, and all things are made new!

It would still be a good idea to tell your future spouse about your past, if you get into a serious relationship with someone.

One can certainly still be forgiven for sexual indiscretions made after coming to Christ, but they are to be avoided at all costs. Don't flirt with fornication, flee from it!
 
Spartacus1122

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I have heard of "hymen reconstruction", but born again virgin?
Too funny.
 
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The term seems to suggest a "positive attitude and outlook" by someone who "has not had sex since they were born-again" and wants to feel like they are "starting fresh with a clean slate"...

While that may be good -- I believe it is just self-deception.

Of course, if they are recently born-again - they are [spiritually] "starting fresh with a clean slate" -- nevertheless, they cannot change the past -- and should 'speak to it' honestly without trying to "cover it over" with something that "looks and feels nicer"...

"I believe it is just self-deception."

I think it would be better to simply make reference to '2 Corinthians 5:17' and say "Look what God has done in my life." and "I am trying to live for the Lord now." -- and just leave it at that...

NOTE: I submitted this before reading any posts beyond #15. ("It took me a while to write it.")

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NOTE: I submitted this before reading any posts beyond #15. ("It took me a while to write it.")
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"Sorry - I should have used the word 'EDIT' instead of 'NOTE'..."

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