How Do You Determine If Someone Is "Christian Enough" For You?
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I would say a real Christian is someone that loves Jesus Christ more than he/she loves you where he/she has that genuine and personal relationship with God, and put God first in all.\ that He/she does. Last but not least, a real Christian is seen by their fruits. Actions speak louder than words . Do their words match their actions? Is this person leading you and encouraging your walk with Christ or is he/she pulling you away from God? Again fruits, fruits, fruits...
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*This poll is for you, GaryA and BananaPi 
. Hopefully, this time I will be allowed to pass "Go" and collect $200. *
. Hopefully, this time I will be allowed to pass "Go" and collect $200. *
As for the how would I determine if somebody is Christian enough to marry, well, the brother would need to clock in 3.14 hours of daily video Skype over the course of 3.14 years; supply a CBC sample for DNA testing, drawn at my PCP's clinic and of course, surprise me with a sparkling diamond whatchamacallit...
Okay........ there's one reason I can't agree with you in this statement. You've told us the "problem" you believe we have, but haven't given us an "answer" of how to change. That's because you don't know......
I'll tell you something else you don't know...... your paragraph above shows you acting out verbally what you received from your inlaws....... acting like the people you despise. When you see that, you'll start on a journey to finding real answers.
I'll tell you something else you don't know...... your paragraph above shows you acting out verbally what you received from your inlaws....... acting like the people you despise. When you see that, you'll start on a journey to finding real answers.
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Jeremiah 12
1You are always righteous, Lord, when I bring a case before you.
Yet I would speak with you about your justice:
Why does the way of the wicked prosper?
Why do all the faithless live at ease?
2You have planted them, and they have taken root; they grow and bear fruit.
You are always on their lips but far from their hearts.
3Yet you know me, Lord; you see me and test my thoughts about you.
Drag them off like sheep to be butchered! Set them apart for the day of slaughter!
4How long will the land lie parched
and the grass in every field be withered? Because those who live in it are wicked,
the animals and birds have perished.
Moreover, the people are saying,
“He will not see what happens to us.”
God’s Answer
5“If you have raced with men on foot and they have worn you out,
how can you compete with horses?
If you stumble in safe country, how will you manage in the thickets by the Jordan?
6Your relatives, members of your own family—
even they have betrayed you; they have raised a loud cry against you.
Do not trust them,
though they speak well of you.
1You are always righteous, Lord, when I bring a case before you.
Yet I would speak with you about your justice:
Why does the way of the wicked prosper?
Why do all the faithless live at ease?
2You have planted them, and they have taken root; they grow and bear fruit.
You are always on their lips but far from their hearts.
3Yet you know me, Lord; you see me and test my thoughts about you.
Drag them off like sheep to be butchered! Set them apart for the day of slaughter!
4How long will the land lie parched
and the grass in every field be withered? Because those who live in it are wicked,
the animals and birds have perished.
Moreover, the people are saying,
“He will not see what happens to us.”
God’s Answer
5“If you have raced with men on foot and they have worn you out,
how can you compete with horses?
If you stumble in safe country, how will you manage in the thickets by the Jordan?
6Your relatives, members of your own family—
even they have betrayed you; they have raised a loud cry against you.
Do not trust them,
though they speak well of you.
See i've dated and been happy with low spirituality people. I mean they would go to church with me sometimes(holidays, paents in town, etc), but it didnt bother me when they didnt. The respected my beliefs, and it worked. Of course moving for jobs and being stuck in school ruined it, but its not like Im going after atheists. And I have seen many unhappy marriages. I guess mutual spirituality is not something I put in the this makes me happy category, its just a thing that would happen which may seem weird, but its normal for me. Like growing up everyone read the Bible in my family, but everyone did it separately and read what they need and prayed separately. So I guess its habit doing it alone.
You sound like a laid-back christian.
Personally I do not care, Im pretty laid-back myself, so please do not take this the wrong way.
I want to point out what the bible says concerning laid-back christians:
Rev 3:15-16
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
So if you believe the Bible is truth, is this not admonishing a lukewarm attitude?
Is the bible here in conflict with reality?
Personally I do not care, Im pretty laid-back myself, so please do not take this the wrong way.
I want to point out what the bible says concerning laid-back christians:
Rev 3:15-16
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.
So if you believe the Bible is truth, is this not admonishing a lukewarm attitude?
Is the bible here in conflict with reality?
Sometimes dating a woman who is very set in her spirituality can be divisive. If both parties are passionate about what they believe it can be like 2 rival fans trying to play nice when their life revolves around the same sport.
I would almost* rather have someone who was bright enough to follow the breadcrumbs, even though they were not the strongest Christian.
I would almost* rather have someone who was bright enough to follow the breadcrumbs, even though they were not the strongest Christian.
You would like a woman who is spiritually malleable.
(I understand what you are saying though. Two very opinionated people would clash in any area I imagine.)
(I understand what you are saying though. Two very opinionated people would clash in any area I imagine.)
I once dated a girl who merely considered herself a Deist. This was a new revelation to her, as she had grown up as an Atheist.
She was smarter than me, but she was not afraid of any answer, of any question or of any line of reasoning.
She peered into the depths, and the depths peered back. She was not the kind of person who would take anything at face value. She was reasonable, but usually had to find out for herself.
Her curiosity was inspiring, contagious and poetic. She genuinely wanted to know WHO God is.
She could quote Kierkegaard, C.S. Lewis, Mohammed, Buddha, and Jesus but what she mostly watched was actions. Strangely enough the fact that I picked up hitchhikers is what opened the door for us to talk about God.
From there it was literally Orthodox Liturgy and Reading of the Bible that moved her to start praying on her own.
I will say this, I don't know that I could have ever spiritually led her. However, I know that if I could justify what I believed and back it up, she would have followed me anywhere.
low spirituality? i think i'm following along.
in my opinion every christian, regardless of their faith has areas of their life where they are harboring pockets of "respectable sin" and being slightly delusional/denial of their thoughts and/or actions and impact. we shield ourselves, cover our eyes, and focus on whatever we find necessary (until we either 'get it' or God knocks down the wall and forces us to confront the issue in our lives). in my estimation, anyone who thinks they're above or evolved beyond what they can glean from one who has perhaps a newer faith is only kidding themselves. ultimately, people are individuals, not hypothetical scenarios. and they're worthy of considering on a case by case basis.
i'm always reminded by the notion that the more one holds onto a fabricated image of some person they're looking for, the more likely they'll walk right past somebody that is worth getting to know. i try to hold on to such images very loosely. : )
in my opinion every christian, regardless of their faith has areas of their life where they are harboring pockets of "respectable sin" and being slightly delusional/denial of their thoughts and/or actions and impact. we shield ourselves, cover our eyes, and focus on whatever we find necessary (until we either 'get it' or God knocks down the wall and forces us to confront the issue in our lives). in my estimation, anyone who thinks they're above or evolved beyond what they can glean from one who has perhaps a newer faith is only kidding themselves. ultimately, people are individuals, not hypothetical scenarios. and they're worthy of considering on a case by case basis.
i'm always reminded by the notion that the more one holds onto a fabricated image of some person they're looking for, the more likely they'll walk right past somebody that is worth getting to know. i try to hold on to such images very loosely. : )
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As for the how would I determine if somebody is Christian enough to marry, well, the brother would need to clock in 3.14 hours of daily video Skype over the course of 3.14 years; supply a CBC sample for DNA testing, drawn at my PCP's clinic and of course, surprise me with a sparkling diamond whatchamacallit...
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I would still like to be with a man who is as spiritual as I am, but neither one of us is opinionated. I'm sure if we both love each other, then we'll work things out together.
You would like a woman who is spiritually malleable.
(I understand what you are saying though. Two very opinionated people would clash in any area I imagine.)
(I understand what you are saying though. Two very opinionated people would clash in any area I imagine.)
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Countess, I can't speak for God, but I can share with you some things from His Word and the testimony of a dying man who loved God will all of his heart.
My dad was what most people would call a good man - A man I respected and loved very much, but he was not a Christian until a couple of years before he died. Becoming a Christian changed his mind about so many things and gave him invaluable perspective (the wisdom of the ages is found in Christ). Not long before he died, he seemed to be contemplating the very same question you raised. Why, now that he was living for God, would God take him, rather than all of the times he was doing things he wasn't proud of? After praying and pondering this for quite some time, this was his answer:
"I know that everyone at church is praying for God to heal me, but I know that if He did, I would go back to being the same jerk I was before."
God has His reasons. He sees the big picture. Our view is limited. He is drawing as many as will come to Himself, to save them from the fate you mentioned in another thread.
The book of Isaiah says that God sometimes takes people in order to spare them from something worse than death, and sometimes the saints of God are simply worn out, so God takes them home to rest:
Isaiah 57:1 The righteous perish, and no one ponders it in his heart; devout men are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. 2 Those who walk uprightly enter into peace; they find rest as they lie in death.
As a cop, I've seen people do horrifying things to other people. Like you, I have often wondered why God doesn't wipe certain people from the face of the earth, especially people who harm children and those who are helpless. I can't honestly say I haven't wanted to help Him do it. But God has helped me to understand that MERCY is the reason, so I'm glad He is God and I am not. I'm not capable of being as merciful as He.
God sees all of the evil. Not just the evil we see. He sees every.single.bit of it, even the ugly things we try to hide away inside of us. He sees them and He loves us anyway. He gives us every opportunity to surrender those things to Him and change our ways, but not everyone is willing to listen and/or surrender.
May I give you an example? Think for a moment of the ugly things you have said about His children since you came to this site. Some of us are very strong and understand that hurting people hurt people. Some of us understand that you probably really don't mean many of the things you are saying, but you are saying them because you hurt so very badly. However, there are some Christians who are younger, who may not understand and who may be very deeply hurt by the things you have said about the children of God. You may have angered them and caused them to have thoughts of which God would not approve. God is very protective of His children
"If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea." Jesus, Mark 9:42
and scripture tells us that we are accountable for every word that comes out of our mouths (I imagine that includes computers as well, don't you?).
For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. [SUP]35 [/SUP]A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. [SUP]36 [/SUP]But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. [SUP]37 [/SUP]For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Matthew 12
Do you think that He should smite you because of the bad things you have said about innocent people here?
You don't have to answer. Just think about it, okay?
God loves you, Countess. He knows you are hurting. So do we. We're praying for you. He wants to show YOU mercy. He wants us to do the same.
If you have more questions, please ask. We don't have all of the answers, but we know the One does. You can too.
My dad was what most people would call a good man - A man I respected and loved very much, but he was not a Christian until a couple of years before he died. Becoming a Christian changed his mind about so many things and gave him invaluable perspective (the wisdom of the ages is found in Christ). Not long before he died, he seemed to be contemplating the very same question you raised. Why, now that he was living for God, would God take him, rather than all of the times he was doing things he wasn't proud of? After praying and pondering this for quite some time, this was his answer:
"I know that everyone at church is praying for God to heal me, but I know that if He did, I would go back to being the same jerk I was before."
God has His reasons. He sees the big picture. Our view is limited. He is drawing as many as will come to Himself, to save them from the fate you mentioned in another thread.
The book of Isaiah says that God sometimes takes people in order to spare them from something worse than death, and sometimes the saints of God are simply worn out, so God takes them home to rest:
Isaiah 57:1 The righteous perish, and no one ponders it in his heart; devout men are taken away, and no one understands that the righteous are taken away to be spared from evil. 2 Those who walk uprightly enter into peace; they find rest as they lie in death.
As a cop, I've seen people do horrifying things to other people. Like you, I have often wondered why God doesn't wipe certain people from the face of the earth, especially people who harm children and those who are helpless. I can't honestly say I haven't wanted to help Him do it. But God has helped me to understand that MERCY is the reason, so I'm glad He is God and I am not. I'm not capable of being as merciful as He.
God sees all of the evil. Not just the evil we see. He sees every.single.bit of it, even the ugly things we try to hide away inside of us. He sees them and He loves us anyway. He gives us every opportunity to surrender those things to Him and change our ways, but not everyone is willing to listen and/or surrender.
May I give you an example? Think for a moment of the ugly things you have said about His children since you came to this site. Some of us are very strong and understand that hurting people hurt people. Some of us understand that you probably really don't mean many of the things you are saying, but you are saying them because you hurt so very badly. However, there are some Christians who are younger, who may not understand and who may be very deeply hurt by the things you have said about the children of God. You may have angered them and caused them to have thoughts of which God would not approve. God is very protective of His children
"If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea." Jesus, Mark 9:42
and scripture tells us that we are accountable for every word that comes out of our mouths (I imagine that includes computers as well, don't you?).
For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of. [SUP]35 [/SUP]A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. [SUP]36 [/SUP]But I tell you that everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken. [SUP]37 [/SUP]For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”
Matthew 12
Do you think that He should smite you because of the bad things you have said about innocent people here?
You don't have to answer. Just think about it, okay?
God loves you, Countess. He knows you are hurting. So do we.
We're praying for you. He wants to show YOU mercy. He wants us to do the same.If you have more questions, please ask. We don't have all of the answers, but we know the One does. You can too.
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Honestly, I'm surprised by all the men here who say, "I'm never getting married." Maybe I've just known a lot of dirtbags, but I have yet to meet an unmarried man in or out of the church who doesn't engage in sexual activity of some kind. I'm not saying that ALL of you are unable to maintain purity on all levels, but I would be willing to wager actual money that it applies to a significant percentage.
Maybe it's the same for women; I just don't notice that many of us declaring eternal singlehood.
Maybe it's the same for women; I just don't notice that many of us declaring eternal singlehood.
Not quite sure how being able to spend my quiet time with God alon and preferring it that way has anything to do with being laid back. Ive never relied on others to help me maintain my spiritual walk, not sure why Im expected to start that with marriage. Besides there arent any believers around here I would consider anyways. The ones left over arent my type. Though I think youre stretching the laidback thing.