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BlackTigress777

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..I have a question..

In one of my other forum posts, I had a question about sins..but then I kept blabbering on and on. But I'm just going to ask it simply.

If I Really like a guy, like Really like his personality and for who he is and would like a relationship with him - But extremely attracted to him at the same time, is it still considered as Lust if I think about him sexually?
 
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I think lust is only bad if you allow it to corrupt your mind sexual desires are natural adam and eve did
 
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Chrissy77

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Brandon777 said:
Love is more than just a commitment.

It's an emotion brought on by lust: desire for a person, which develops into passion after intimacy through several steps of commitment. It properly also involves a willingness to sacrifice as much as one's life and goals and dreams to mesh with the other person.
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Lust and love have nothing to do with each other. You don't lust after someone and then love them. Love is something that grows between two people that endures through all the trials and tribulations of life but stands the test of time. Love is commanded of God while lust is a sin.
 
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Brandon777

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BlackTigress777 said:
..I have a question..

In one of my other forum posts, I had a question about sins..but then I kept blabbering on and on. But I'm just going to ask it simply.

If I Really like a guy, like Really like his personality and for who he is and would like a relationship with him - But extremely attracted to him at the same time, is it still considered as Lust if I think about him sexually?
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Depends how you want to define lust. But yeah.

Blain said:
I think lust is only bad if you allow it to corrupt your mind sexual desires are natural adam and eve did
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I can't help but think that's very vague. Corrupt your mind as in how? What would that look like? And yes sexual desires are a good thing like you said.
 
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To hopefully bring some clarity.

The definitions of lust:
Very strong sexual desire

uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or appetite

a passionate or overmastering desire or craving

ardent enthusiasm; zest

Lust isn't just thinking about sex, or desiring physical contact or sex. Lust is an extreme: uncontrolled, ardent, overmastering, passionate, illicit.

That said, I think Chip's description of love is most in line with what I have found Biblically and in my own life.

Love never gives up.
Love cares more for others than for self.
Love doesn't want what it doesn't have.
Love doesn't strut,
Doesn't have a swelled head,
Doesn't force itself on others,
Isn't always "me first,"
Doesn't fly off the handle,
Doesn't keep score of the sins of others,
Doesn't revel when others grovel,
Takes pleasure in the flowering of truth,
Puts up with anything,
Trusts God always,
Always looks for the best,
Never looks back,
But keeps going to the end.

Choice, commitment, sacrifice. I don't see anything about feelings or emotions in there.
 
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Brandon777

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Chrissy77 said:
Lust and love have nothing to do with each other. You don't lust after someone and then love them. Love is something that grows between two people that endures through all the trials and tribulations of life but stands the test of time. Love is commanded of God while lust is a sin.
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First of all how do you define lust? Second, I don't think you're supposed to lust after someone and then love them. Love and lust are apart of eros (the ideal love between a man and a woman) without sexual desire in the relationship you have a pretty poor marriage wouldn't you say??? And of course I agree that love and lust should endure the test of time through purposeful cultivation and tender care for one another's souls. Love is a command of God while lust is said in our New Testament to be a sin. I don't think it's a sin, I think it's more likely that the Muslims are correct that parts of the New Testament has been corrupted. Or perhaps lust is only a sin outside of marriage because Jesus said whoever lusts in his heart commits adultery, but how can you commit adultery if you're married???
 
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Jullianna

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*sigh*...must something as awesome as love be dragged down to a sexual level here too...
 
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Brandon777

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LightningClap0002 said:
To hopefully bring some clarity.

The definitions of lust:
Very strong sexual desire

uncontrolled or illicit sexual desire or appetite

etc...

Choice, commitment, sacrifice. I don't see anything about feelings or emotions in there.
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Those aren't the only definitions for lust. the fifth one says simply: desire, inclination, wish. The context I was using, and clearly laid out, makes my point known. Nothing about emotions huh? So are you saying that an ideal marriage has no mutual feelings for each other? Didn't think so...
 
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GraceReborn

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11 For lust is a shameful sin, a crime that should be punished.
12 It is a fire that burns all the way to hell. It would wipe out everything I own.

Job 31:11-12

Love is selflessness... lust is selfishness.

A husband's or a wife's sexual desire for his/her other half isn't lust....
it's one of the many manifestation of love in the context of marriage.
 
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LightningClap0002

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Brandon777 said:
Those aren't the only definitions for lust. the fifth one says simply: desire, inclination, wish. The context I was using, and clearly laid out, makes my point known. Nothing about emotions huh? So are you saying that an ideal marriage has no mutual feelings for each other? Didn't think so...
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Sorry, I thought that obsolete definitions weren't used anymore so saw no reason to include them.

My post, however, was not a response to any of your previous comments.
 
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Brandon777

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Jullianna said:
*sigh*...must something as awesome as love be dragged down to a sexual level here too...
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Jullianna. There's more than one type of love. Sexual love is what I'm talking about. Hopefully there's sexual love when talking about a marriage. I know some marriages don't have that, and they can still have self-sacrificing love (agape) where the betterment of the other one is kept in mind even if they don't get along enough to have a healthy sexual relationship. Or perhaps they do have passion, but one is sick for a long time; it's okay not to have sex. I'm not obsessed with sex. I just want a rational view of relationships that makes sense in the real world. Not in a world that you have to have "faith" just to believe something that may or may not actually make sense. But nice try, trying to pin that on me (whether consciously or not).
 
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Brandon777

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LightningClap0002 said:
Sorry, I thought that obsolete definitions weren't used anymore so saw no reason to include them.

My post, however, was not a response to any of your previous comments.
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How is the dictionary definition for any word obsolete? I thought you spoke English like me...
 
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Brandon777

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GraceReborn said:
11 For lust is a shameful sin, a crime that should be punished.
12 It is a fire that burns all the way to hell. It would wipe out everything I own.

Job 31:11-12

Love is selflessness... lust is selfishness.

A husband's or a wife's sexual desire for his/her other half isn't lust....
it's one of the many manifestation of love in the context of marriage.
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Since when is a marriage between two people ever brought on by pure selflessness? No, that's not how it works in the real world. Women want to be told: I want you. They want to be wanted. Is that selfless? No. It's selfish. Same goes for men. They want to be wanted and cared for. What reason would an ideal marriage selflessly come together for? How about a marriage of peace to unite to countries? sure. that works. What about for the rest of us? There wouldn't be 10% of the marriages we have now if they were all purely selfless. I can see the ideal though. Fun to play with.
 
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nothing was implied to you.....
 
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sry bout that i was texting and got confused
 
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Jullianna

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When a thread about love becomes about sex, lust and personal attacks, we are no different than the world. We could use a little prayer in here...
 
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Brandon777

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LightningClap0002 said:
You'll have to talk to Merriam Webster or Dictionary.com I guess:
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Okay. Apparently I didn't know the definition for lust. I was using it wrong. Still, my question remains, is lust wrong in marriage according to Jesus, if it can't be considered adultery. How can you have adultery of the heart if you're in a marriage? Is having intense lust for your wife a bad thing? I don't think so, and I don't think that's what Jesus was saying.
 
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LightningClap0002

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Brandon777 said:
Okay. Apparently I didn't know the definition for lust. I was using it wrong. Still, my question remains, is lust wrong in marriage according to Jesus, if it can't be considered adultery. How can you have adultery of the heart if you're in a marriage? Is having intense lust for your wife a bad thing? I don't think so, and I don't think that's what Jesus was saying.
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Whole different topic. :) We did discuss it a while back. You might be able to drag up the old thread if you want some other people's opinions. Search for Ritter's "marital hedonism" genesis and you'll find that thread!!

A quick preview of that thread: Lust in marriage interferes with your relationship with God. Since the extreme (lust) takes your focus off of God and puts it on something earthly.

But I'm more interested in Love really. Jullianna probably has the most varied experience, perhaps if we ask nicely she might expand on her original thoughts some more.
 
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