The war on Biblical marriage--is it the end?

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To answer your question no I do not believe it is the end, but I must say it ain't lookin good! Satan and every dark thing was exposed at the cross when Jesus was crucified. Satan and the world are under attack by Christ Jesus, His Church and His institution of marriage, not the other way around. This is how God presses things to a place for His victory. There is no substance in any other way and God will win this battle as He always does; by raising up a new generation. I'm not saying that there won't be a price to pay, the game is afoot, and the enemy is not backing down.
 

rachelsedge

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Feminism does not come from the Lord, feminism comes from the world, feminism comes from the prince of the world, feminism comes from the evil one, feminism is evil !!!!!!!!!!!!

Feminism hates feminine women who are submissive to their husbands. They are ignorant and filled with a diabolical hatred for true men and true women. Is it a big surprise feminism and sodomite movement strongly support each other ? Not at all !
I'm a bit anxious to get involved in this, I feel as though talking about feminism is entering the lion's den, but I think that there is such a thing as Biblical feminism. The feminism of the world isn't right; you are correct in that.

Galatians 3:28 says, "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Yes, the wife is to submit to the husband, and the husband is to cherish and love his wife as Christ loves the church. This does not mean that the man is superior. We are all equal in Christ Jesus. We just have different roles.

The way I view feminism is for us females to be treated equally as males and not as inferior or sub-human, or the idea that we are only meant to churn out babies and make sandwiches. To be seen as strong and capable, not shaking in the corner and waiting for a man. Christ wants both men and women to have confidence and spread the Gospel. Again, different roles (both in life and within a marriage); equal as created humans as males and females.

Not sure if that makes sense. Like I said, I agree that some forms of portrayed feminism is not Biblical, but I do believe that the right "kind" or "attitude" of feminism allows for submissive wives and also for a woman to feel capable and not looked down on.
 

presidente

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Do you know any men who are not willing to be the sole breadwinner in the marriage so that their wives can be the submissive wife and mother they expect their wives to be, even if it might mean working two jobs? Do you know any men who call themselves Christians who have children out of wedlock they are neither caring for nor supporting? Are there men who allow themselves to be pushed around by the women in their lives just because it is easier than standing up to them? Do you know of any Christian men who are engaging in sexual activity outside of wedlock, porn addiction included? Do you know of any man who are not taking on leadership roles within our churches, whether married or not? If these articles you speak of are written by true Christians from a biblical perspective (and if not, why heed them?), could these men be part of the reason for the articles?

I bolded one sentence for emphasis. I am anti-feminism and agree with a lot of the criticisms of it on this thread. However, I think femininity is a great thing, as long as we are talking about women being the ones who possess it. :) But I can't say feminism is all women's fault. If the YouTube videos that say the Rockerfellers were behind it to increase the tax base, don't you think it likely that the Rockerfeller men were the ones behind it? And who were the legislators, Congressmen, judges, and presidents and media moguls when feminism started spreading it's influence? Men.

If a man marries a young woman who has just a little bit of feminism in her, consider the bolded part above. He needs to know how to deal with his wife. That can be as simple as taking a stand, being firm, and pointing out what is right and wrong. A lot of men get run over by their feminist wives because they don't assert themselves as leaders in the home and just leave decisions up to their wives. That don't admonish when their wives are disrespectful or overstep their bounds. I'm thinking of Eli and his children as an example. Eli actually did admonish his sons, but he had the power to remove them from operating in the priesthood when they sinned against the Lord. He didn't do what was within his power to ensure his household did what was right, and God had a prophecy for him, as high priest, the one in charge. The man is the head of the wife, and with that comes some responsibility. He can't just dump all the responsibility off on women.

Now there are women who won't submit, and a man can't control every thought, word, and attitude of his wife. But he can act in certain ways that create an environment where he can exercise his headship and that may make his wife more inclined to submit. The way he talks and approaches situations can make a big difference.

One of the problems is that so many men have embraced feminism, or else social perspectives that have resulted from it, and therefore do not think it necessary that they exercise leadership in the home. One problem is the lack of male role models for those raised by the past generation or two that embraced feminism. Another problem is that men have bought into the culture they were raised in and the ideas they have heard in school and on television.

If you want to attack the problem, there is a place to start, by addressing men' thinking (and the strongholds in their thinking) on the issue, and also women's thinking on the issue.

Arguing that marriage is a bad idea is no solution at all. The single Christian not gifted with a gift of celibacy should marry.
 

presidente

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I'm a bit anxious to get involved in this, I feel as though talking about feminism is entering the lion's den, but I think that there is such a thing as Biblical feminism. The feminism of the world isn't right; you are correct in that.

Galatians 3:28 says, "There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Yes, the wife is to submit to the husband, and the husband is to cherish and love his wife as Christ loves the church. This does not mean that the man is superior. We are all equal in Christ Jesus. We just have different roles.

The way I view feminism is for us females to be treated equally as males and not as inferior or sub-human, or the idea that we are only meant to churn out babies and make sandwiches. To be seen as strong and capable, not shaking in the corner and waiting for a man. Christ wants both men and women to have confidence and spread the Gospel. Again, different roles (both in life and within a marriage); equal as created humans as males and females.

Not sure if that makes sense. Like I said, I agree that some forms of portrayed feminism is not Biblical, but I do believe that the right "kind" or "attitude" of feminism allows for submissive wives and also for a woman to feel capable and not looked down on.
Based on the components of the word 'feminism' doesn't sound like it would be a bad thing, but I think what you are doing here is just redefining the word. Feminism has to do with this theory that the world is run by the patriarchy, that patriarchy is bad, and women's position should be changed and their plight is always the fault of the patriarchy.

Maybe we could come up with a term 'Biblical femininity' for these other issues.
 
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Not sure where feminism fits into the destruction of church and Biblical values, exactly.

I don't see Christian marriages and bonds as sliding down into oblivion. There are still plenty of Christian people getting married and living full, happy lives together.

Try to get involved with local churches and any marriage counseling groups they offer if you wish to help lower the divorce rate among fellow Christians :) These groups are always in need of help! Distribute fliers for them, help spread the word on how to keep a marriage together.
 
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I've never had one of those. But one's personal desire for sex, companionship, etc. can be used to determine if one should marry or not. That doesn't mean that's all marriage is about.
And if a man is burning with desire for female companionship and reproduction, but knows he is ill prepared to lead his wife and cherish her as Christ cherishes the Church, then what? Does this not enter into the decision?
 

presidente

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And if a man is burning with desire for female companionship and reproduction, but knows he is ill prepared to lead his wife and cherish her as Christ cherishes the Church, then what? Does this not enter into the decision?
Hopefully godly women will have enough good sense to turn him down. :)
 

presidente

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Btw, I'm married and I don't regret it. My wife isn't a feminist. So that completely disproves the whole idea that Christian men shouldn't marry because of the prevalence of feminism. My wife is from Asia, but I didn't go there to find a nonfeminist. I was living there at a good stage in life to marry when I met her.

At times, her submitting hasn't always been automatic and 100%, but I can't say I have always loved perfectly either. We are falling humans. She is a stay at home mom, cooks, cleans, and also does some business on the side. My life is a lot more enjoyable since I married.
 

CatHerder

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And if a man is burning with desire for female companionship and reproduction, but knows he is ill prepared to lead his wife and cherish her as Christ cherishes the Church, then what? Does this not enter into the decision?
Ideally,
then he should work on becoming mature enough to handle the other responsibilities of marriage. Let's face it - "No one ever died from not getting it on." (Dr. Laura)
 

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Ideally,
then he should work on becoming mature enough to handle the other responsibilities of marriage. Let's face it - "No one ever died from not getting it on." (Dr. Laura)
Gonna add that "ideally" is the operative word here. There will be men who are not ready to love their women as Christ loved the church. There will be women who ignore red flags and marry them anyway. There will be women who don't have it in them to be respectful. There will be men who allow themselves to be treated like doormats.
 
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Are we still talking about marriage? All this, ''wife selection criteria'' and giving tips to pick women and bashing of American christian women almost sounds as if someone's trying to decide wether to pick a Chihuahua over a Golden Retriever. I'm not even American and this all sounds wrong, it's just not the right focus. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying there are no expectations, but even though I'm not one of those ''evil feminist women destroyers of marriage and everything's that good in this whole world'', I also don't support gender bashing. Male or female.

Do you want a good marriage? Be the right person. Follow God and make an impact wit your faith. Be an example of love. We could blame American culture, we could blame homosexuals, we could blame the Democrats and Obama, and you know we could very well blame the past of abuse and neglect that women have suffered , but at the end the problem is still there. We don't live in a perfect world. Neither of those are the root of the problem, they are just SYMPTONS of the real problem: sin. Sin gives birth to more sin. We should be opposed to any movement that goes against God's plans,and act against them, but there will always be something else.
We could expect things to get worse, but as Jullianna said, there is ALWAYS hope in Christ. Even if there aren't many Christian men around the US or around the world, I won't lose hope because I've seen a few godly marriages with my own eyes. They exist, but you have to work for them.

There has always been a war on everything that has God's fingerprints. Marriage, family, the Bible, Christians...truth. But our reaction shouldn't be : ''It's those evil feminists fault,trying to destroy everything God loves!'' or, ''It's those evil homosexuals trying to destroy families!'', or whoever...the pro-abortion activists, the terrorists, you name it.

All I know is that according to the Bible,a marriage is supposed to be based on love, built on God's foundation. It's not about demanding things from each other. It's not about having to tell your husband/wife all the time what their obligations are. I personally wouldn't like having to tell my husband all the time 'Honey, please tell me you love me, you are supposed to love me!!''. I really REALLY hope he will say it without me having to tell him. We could talk things out though if there's a problem, we should communicate and that's very important to avoid problems. Do I worry sometimes that I end up marrying someone who won't love me and cherish me? Yes. But I know I'm safe in God's arms, and He also gives me the wisdom I need to find a godly man. And I would gladly submit to him without fear, because I know God knows better. And I know that when you feel loved, you give back love, naturally. And even if I don't feel loved sometimes (and I know it will happen because we are human) I will still try to love him, and respect him and submit to him. If husbands and wives really submitted to one another in love though (Eph 5:21), as a foundation for these roles (mentiond in Eph 5:22-6:9), I'm sure marriages would be a lot better.
 

CatHerder

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kayem - I "liked" your post and agree with most of it, however,

I think most of the discussions were in the spirit of this appears to be a male tendency that leads to the destruction of marriage or this appears to be a female tendency that leads to the destruction of marriage. I think it's possible to discuss these things without "bashing," and I think most of the posters have succeeded in doing so. Yes, it can get a little heated, and will hit a few nerves, but we really can't fully get all the inflections that we would if in an actual conversation.

I would urge people to avoid the "all women are like this" or "all men are like this" type of thinking that so often rears its ugly head though. ;)
 
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I apologize if I sounded offensive, it was not my intention to offend. However, when I see a recurrent subject coming up over and over again, it implies that the OP is saying that , in this case, feminism is the reason why marriage is so damaged. I've seen way too many subjects lately talking about women's role and marriage and women's failure to submit to their husband. And I'm not saying women shouldn't submit to their husbands, but what I don't like is the way this one subject is treated as the key for marriage success. I've also seen some men taking this submission thing to make it look as a ''do what I want and don't ask why'' thing and that's why I wanted to remind us that the key for marriage succes is love. Which of course means fulfilling the husband and wife's roles according to the Bible.
 
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Here is an update to what I think on this issue:

The Bible says that Eve was the one who was deceived. For some reason Satan chose to deceive the woman. Adam was not deceived and should have known better, but both were punished. God then told Eve that Adam would rule over her (Genesis 3:16). God then told Adam, "Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life." (Genesis 3:17). Adam had to work hard labour all the days of his life to support his wife and children.

Because it was the woman who was deceived, God ordained men to be in authority (1 Timothy 2:14). And because men are the stronger vessel, it makes sense that God also ordained men to be the providers and protectors of their families, even though some men fail to take responsibility. So, it is my understanding that Satan always tries to deceive women. Even though I believe women are more mature than men, I also believe that women are more easily deceived. Remember, men and women both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Now, I know many people will accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist, but I've done a lot of research on this subject. I absolutely believe that the Illuminati has an agenda to take over society. The Illuminati are a bloodline of mega rich families who control the government. Whether you believe this or not, the fact is those who own the gold make the rules. These families have all the money in the world, so why is it so hard to believe that they secretly run the world? I cannot prove all of this over the internet. It's something that you have to research for yourself.

But this is my point: in order for these people to take over society, they must first break and demoralize it. The first thing they attack is the family. If the government can break up marriage and family, it's much easier for them to control people. Now, I can't prove it, but I believe it because it all rings true: Apparently, one of the Rockefellers once admitted that in the 1960's, the Rockefeller family funded the feminist movement and made sure it got all over the news papers. They wanted to create a "battle of the sexes" to entice women against men. It had nothing to do with liberating women, even though this is what women believed. Look it up on Google "How the Rockefellers re-engineered women."

The Rockefellers and the government knew very well that once husbands and fathers lost their power and identity, the family would fall apart. They basically wanted to reverse the gender roles that God ordained. There's an old saying: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, eventually people will come to believe it." The Rockefellers made sure that feminism would always be in the media--the idea that men are the oppressors, the liars, the cheats, the abusers, etc. Eventually one thing led to another. Single motherhood became more acceptable. Father's became less needed because the government made the family court laws favour the mother in most cases. Marriage was to be seen as oppressive, and divorce for women was to be made very tempting. I've come across so many men who want to get married, but they're too afraid to take the risk in case the woman files for a divorce. This is no accident. It has all been planned. A society that has a strong family unit is much more difficult to control.

Men are now shadows of their former selves. When men were in charge, abortion and homosexual practice was not allowed. It was women's liberation that was mostly responsible for these things, yet many Christian women blatantly deny this. But it's true. Women tend to make decisions based on their emotions. They think that allowing homosexual practice or abortion is a good thing, but most men realize that these things are damaging to society. I'm not saying every woman thinks this way, I'm just saying it was women's liberation that supported these things. When men were in charge, these things were forbidden.

The reason the government and the liberals often favour other religions, such as Islam, over Christianity is because their goal is to eradicate or transform the church. Biblical Christianity sees marriage as holy. It sees the father as the head of the family. The government and Illuminati don't like that. Why not? Because Satan, the prince of lies, is their father, and he hates anything that God has made holy.

This is why every Christian should oppose feminism every chance they get. It has nothing to do with liberating women. This is another lie that Satan has used to deceive women. The only good thing is that women are now able to get out of abusive relationships and get a better education. But remember, Satan mixes truth with lies. Just because something good came out of feminism does not justify the evil it has done. I've even had Christian women tell me that Jesus was a feminist. I've also come across Christian women who said that God is a woman. This is the mindset many people have when feminism invades the church.

Peace
 
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Here is an update to what I think on this issue:

The Bible says that Eve was the one who was deceived. For some reason Satan chose to deceive the woman. Adam was not deceived and should have known better, but both were punished. God then told Eve that Adam would rule over her (Genesis 3:16). God then told Adam, "Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life." (Genesis 3:17). Adam had to work hard labour all the days of his life to support his wife and children.

Because it was the woman who was deceived, God ordained men to be in authority (1 Timothy 2:14). And because men are the stronger vessel, it makes sense that God also ordained men to be the providers and protectors of their families, even though some men fail to take responsibility. So, it is my understanding that Satan always tries to deceive women. Even though I believe women are more mature than men, I also believe that women are more easily deceived. Remember, men and women both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Now, I know many people will accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist, but I've done a lot of research on this subject. I absolutely believe that the Illuminati has an agenda to take over society. The Illuminati are a bloodline of mega rich families who control the government. Whether you believe this or not, the fact is those who own the gold make the rules. These families have all the money in the world, so why is it so hard to believe that they secretly run the world? I cannot prove all of this over the internet. It's something that you have to research for yourself.

But this is my point: in order for these people to take over society, they must first break and demoralize it. The first thing they attack is the family. If the government can break up marriage and family, it's much easier for them to control people. Now, I can't prove it, but I believe it because it all rings true: Apparently, one of the Rockefellers once admitted that in the 1960's, the Rockefeller family funded the feminist movement and made sure it got all over the news papers. They wanted to create a "battle of the sexes" to entice women against men. It had nothing to do with liberating women, even though this is what women believed. Look it up on Google "How the Rockefellers re-engineered women."

The Rockefellers and the government knew very well that once husbands and fathers lost their power and identity, the family would fall apart. They basically wanted to reverse the gender roles that God ordained. There's an old saying: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, eventually people will come to believe it." The Rockefellers made sure that feminism would always be in the media--the idea that men are the oppressors, the liars, the cheats, the abusers, etc. Eventually one thing led to another. Single motherhood became more acceptable. Father's became less needed because the government made the family court laws favour the mother in most cases. Marriage was to be seen as oppressive, and divorce for women was to be made very tempting. I've come across so many men who want to get married, but they're too afraid to take the risk in case the woman files for a divorce. This is no accident. It has all been planned. A society that has a strong family unit is much more difficult to control.

Men are now shadows of their former selves. When men were in charge, abortion and homosexual practice was not allowed. It was women's liberation that was mostly responsible for these things, yet many Christian women blatantly deny this. But it's true. Women tend to make decisions based on their emotions. They think that allowing homosexual practice or abortion is a good thing, but most men realize that these things are damaging to society. I'm not saying every woman thinks this way, I'm just saying it was women's liberation that supported these things. When men were in charge, these things were forbidden.

The reason the government and the liberals often favour other religions, such as Islam, over Christianity is because their goal is to eradicate or transform the church. Biblical Christianity sees marriage as holy. It sees the father as the head of the family. The government and Illuminati don't like that. Why not? Because Satan, the prince of lies, is their father, and he hates anything that God has made holy.

This is why every Christian should oppose feminism every chance they get. It has nothing to do with liberating women. This is another lie that Satan has used to deceive women. The only good thing is that women are now able to get out of abusive relationships and get a better education. But remember, Satan mixes truth with lies. Just because something good came out of feminism does not justify the evil it has done. I've even had Christian women tell me that Jesus was a feminist. I've also come across Christian women who said that God is a woman. This is the mindset many people have when feminism invades the church.

Peace
Dear God, please tell me you aren't serious.

Also, a humorous view:

It took Satan, fallen angel of GOD, to deceive Eve. But it only took a human woman to deceive Adam.
 
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Here is an update to what I think on this issue:

The Bible says that Eve was the one who was deceived. For some reason Satan chose to deceive the woman. Adam was not deceived and should have known better, but both were punished. God then told Eve that Adam would rule over her (Genesis 3:16). God then told Adam, "Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life." (Genesis 3:17). Adam had to work hard labour all the days of his life to support his wife and children.

Because it was the woman who was deceived, God ordained men to be in authority (1 Timothy 2:14). And because men are the stronger vessel, it makes sense that God also ordained men to be the providers and protectors of their families, even though some men fail to take responsibility. So, it is my understanding that Satan always tries to deceive women. Even though I believe women are more mature than men, I also believe that women are more easily deceived. Remember, men and women both have their advantages and disadvantages.

Now, I know many people will accuse me of being a conspiracy theorist, but I've done a lot of research on this subject. I absolutely believe that the Illuminati has an agenda to take over society. The Illuminati are a bloodline of mega rich families who control the government. Whether you believe this or not, the fact is those who own the gold make the rules. These families have all the money in the world, so why is it so hard to believe that they secretly run the world? I cannot prove all of this over the internet. It's something that you have to research for yourself.

But this is my point: in order for these people to take over society, they must first break and demoralize it. The first thing they attack is the family. If the government can break up marriage and family, it's much easier for them to control people. Now, I can't prove it, but I believe it because it all rings true: Apparently, one of the Rockefellers once admitted that in the 1960's, the Rockefeller family funded the feminist movement and made sure it got all over the news papers. They wanted to create a "battle of the sexes" to entice women against men. It had nothing to do with liberating women, even though this is what women believed. Look it up on Google "How the Rockefellers re-engineered women."

The Rockefellers and the government knew very well that once husbands and fathers lost their power and identity, the family would fall apart. They basically wanted to reverse the gender roles that God ordained. There's an old saying: "If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, eventually people will come to believe it." The Rockefellers made sure that feminism would always be in the media--the idea that men are the oppressors, the liars, the cheats, the abusers, etc. Eventually one thing led to another. Single motherhood became more acceptable. Father's became less needed because the government made the family court laws favour the mother in most cases. Marriage was to be seen as oppressive, and divorce for women was to be made very tempting. I've come across so many men who want to get married, but they're too afraid to take the risk in case the woman files for a divorce. This is no accident. It has all been planned. A society that has a strong family unit is much more difficult to control.

Men are now shadows of their former selves. When men were in charge, abortion and homosexual practice was not allowed. It was women's liberation that was mostly responsible for these things, yet many Christian women blatantly deny this. But it's true. Women tend to make decisions based on their emotions. They think that allowing homosexual practice or abortion is a good thing, but most men realize that these things are damaging to society. I'm not saying every woman thinks this way, I'm just saying it was women's liberation that supported these things. When men were in charge, these things were forbidden.

The reason the government and the liberals often favour other religions, such as Islam, over Christianity is because their goal is to eradicate or transform the church. Biblical Christianity sees marriage as holy. It sees the father as the head of the family. The government and Illuminati don't like that. Why not? Because Satan, the prince of lies, is their father, and he hates anything that God has made holy.

This is why every Christian should oppose feminism every chance they get. It has nothing to do with liberating women. This is another lie that Satan has used to deceive women. The only good thing is that women are now able to get out of abusive relationships and get a better education. But remember, Satan mixes truth with lies. Just because something good came out of feminism does not justify the evil it has done. I've even had Christian women tell me that Jesus was a feminist. I've also come across Christian women who said that God is a woman. This is the mindset many people have when feminism invades the church.

We have to be able to call a spade a spade. Most men deep down want nothing more than a good woman who is committed to them. When a good woman is dependant on a man, men have a purpose in life. There's nothing more rewarding for a man than having the privilege of looking after a good woman. It makes a man feel worthy. And I believe that most women deep down would love a good man who is committed to love and protect them. But the truth is, most women don't want to depend on a man. They have no problem depending on the government, but they don't want to depend on their own husbands. As a result, men don't feel needed. They feel as though women care more about their careers. Yes, feminism has messed things up. I don't care if this offends people. I have always pointed my finger at whatever I believe to be causing the problem.

Peace
 

Fenner

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So who is the head of the family?

God is the head of my family. My husband and I work together. He does work outside the home and I work at home and part time outside of the home. But when it comes to making major decisions we make them together. He's better at the money part so he does that. When I say major decision I don't mean buying a pair of pants, I mean issues with the kids or money, etc. I think it's important that a man be Godly and lead his family in the right direction, but I do think you should discuss things.
 
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God is the head of my family. My husband and I work together. He does work outside the home and I work at home and part time outside of the home. But when it comes to making major decisions we make them together. He's better at the money part so he does that. When I say major decision I don't mean buying a pair of pants, I mean issues with the kids or money, etc. I think it's important that a man be Godly and lead his family in the right direction, but I do think you should discuss things.
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. (1 Corinthians 11:3).