Trust.....deal or no deal.

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May 25, 2016
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@GraceRevelation

That was a good piece of advice and I feel I needed it. I'm a nice guy and am very trusting of people, but I've become a little jaded over the years due to what I've been through.
 
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Rosesrock

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Oh and to Roserock :), why is trusting so hard these days? Because a lot of people lie it's almost a "normal" thing you see these days. If your like me and believe were living in the end times then it's kind of like yea this makes sense lol. The good thing is with God we don't have to watch our backs and protect ourselves because he does that for us. So honestly we can relax and trust in him that whoever we come in contact with we are free to be open and to be ourselves with no worry of harm. If we get a feeling not to say a certain thing or to stop talking to a certain person then we need to follow the leading of the Holy Spirit of course but other wise relax :D
Yes I agree on a very general basis. But each one of us go through specific things that need to be handed to God to be able to trust.
I was asking to begin the discussion. And thank you all for sharing.
I'm pretty big on reflecting on one's own life to grow through their stuff. And only Christ can do that. So actually it all turns back to remembering the trust we put in our Lord for salvation.
 
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To close one off from the trust of anyone? Super sad. The cynical part of Pfftt. I'm not going to trust you enough to be hurt. I'm sure you trust someone. At least one person. But yes.. Not feeling like you can fellowship with anyone because of not trusting them .....to me is sad.
If it doesn't bother you then great.
My opinion ....but the idea to not trust anyone leads to a hard heart. But again that's the reason for the discussion.
I appreciate your posts.
And sometimes trusting people leads to a hard heart as well. So it seems there is no way to win. So why bother adding the pain of broken trust to something that will end badly either way?
 
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As this world turns away from God, our morals and virtues go down the drain. Trust, integrity, and honesty are at the heart of what God wants from us.

Most young people don't believe in God. They really don't care about other people and want to please themselves. If this means lying, cheating, and getting what they want, then they will break all trust in a relationship.

Everyone has a "god" or an idol. If it's not the true God and Savior Jesus Christ, then it's usually some distorted useless god that does nothing, or it's their own self. I have noticed that among atheists, they idolize themselves and their "intelligence." Every human is born with the need to worship and if they don't believe in God, guess what? They usually end up worshiping themselves. This is why they don't care about other people, they don't want to sacrifice for any relationship and they end up breaking trust with cheating, lying, and other sins.

I know that not all young people are like this but I would say about 80% of them are. And I started talking about younger generations because you were talking about your kids. Just saying this because I don't want a young person getting mad at me for saying it lol. I'm fairly young myself so I know what I'm talking about b/c I see it everyday.

I sure do hope this trend changes though and I pray your son and daughter find good spouses.
 

Pres19

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For me, trust is hard simply because growing up "trust" wasn't a thing. I watched as my parents, aunts, uncles and cousins relationships revolved around lying and cheating. It wasn't bassed on love and trust. It was all about "who can I put up with the longest? Who's lying and cheating can I keep forgiving?" Trust was non existent.
Because of this I decided to "trust" whoever I met. I wanted to trust someone so badly that I trusted anyone. Obviously that was a mistake.
Today's world and many people living in it lack alot of morals but more importantly, lack God and his word. Until it's fixed trusting won't be a easy thing.
 
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Tintin

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I'm far from perfect, but I try to say what I mean. Honesty and trust are huge for me. Currently, I would have trouble trusting a girl to what she said if I were romantically involved (past experience has burnt me badly and made me less trusting). On a friendship level, I have no issues with trusting girls to what they say.
 
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So why the trust issues is my next question and thanks for sharing.

I reflect on my own trust issues as my kids talked. I'm intrigued. How does one get so jaded?
Family, some kind of crisis, hurt? Mine is from adoption. Issues I never understood until I allowed the Lord to grow me.
To be clear here, I am posting this for perspective and not towards wise beardman. He's a good brother, he is just acknowledging the general state of affairs in the world today. From Matthew 24:12

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12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold."

People are more concened in indulging in greed, materialism, sensuality, self interest, etc... Not that many people even care to consider if God even exists, and that good and evil are just philosophical concepts that aren't even real so they can justify cheating or defrauding others to their hearts content. There are lots of people like this in the world and interacting with those types makes people jaded and defensive pretty quickly.

It's a bit foolish not to consider this when you are out in the world meeting people and doing whatever business it is you are doing. It's smarter to get to know someone over time before considering lowering your guard unconditionally. Whether it is friendship, romance, or whatever kind of relationship it is.
 
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So why the trust issues is my next question and thanks for sharing.

I reflect on my own trust issues as my kids talked. I'm intrigued. How does one get so jaded?
Family, some kind of crisis, hurt? Mine is from adoption. Issues I never understood until I allowed the Lord to grow me.
I used to trust everyone. Got smart after a while after some bad experiences.
 

Tinkerbell725

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We are all capable of lying and betraying the trust of others given the right circumstances. If we dont trust how can we love others as God commands us to do? Some bad people change if you give them a chance. But there are those who lie with no remorse that we need be careful about trusting.
 

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I learned long ago, people are not to be trusted, and with what I see every day I am proven right.

DTA Don't trust anyone.
We usually see and find what we are looking for.... Mistrust then you will see it, good trustworthy people can be found also when looking for them...

It's like telling yourself it's going to be a horrible day and you are right because all you will see are the bad things that happen and if you say it's a beautiful day then the good things just are seen everywhere....

We can self fulfill what our lives will be like... I personally choose to be happy and I would say 98% of the time I am - that 2% is left for unplanned electrical fires or the stove oven glass door shattering that can throw a monkey wrench into my planned happiness. But I am still happy....just have repairs that need to be made... the unhappy part is having to part with money I didn't want to spend....on said repairs. I get over that pretty fast.

Relationships though.... one must take a chance now and then with people and I give everyone a white clean page and let them write on it..... If there is a bunch of black marks then maybe we turn the page if there are words and pretty pictures then maybe I don't mind staying on that page for a while.... I might have had several years before I tried a new page again but I did let go of safe and took a chance again and am very happy that I did as I live with one Tourist now as a wife and I like the page I am on...bunches.... But had to learn to trust again and take a chance.
 

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Trust is hard... for all the reasons listed. But you have to get over it. Guard your heart, but give someone a chance to prove themselves trustworthy(anyone you meet is doing the same with you). Those that don't will likely continue to wonder why they haven't had a relationship, or why nothing seems to work out. Trust is fundamental. I think some people think the world is out to get them, but going thru life not trusting anyone or anything just seems like an unhappy way to be.
 

blue_ladybug

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Gotcha. Cynicism killed the thread. Might as well delete it.

Roses, you actually just answered your own question. So many people have been hurt in relationships. Lied to, cheated on, stolen from. So it makes absolute sense that people are cynical of each other. Your kids are right, girls and guys both do it.
 

blue_ladybug

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In my personal experiences in relationships, my first boyfriend stole checks from me, among other things, and forged my name on them. Ran me into overdraft charges bigtime. Second boyfriend ended up going to jail, and ran up my phone bill to $800 because he called me all the time. He cheated on me from the start, and after his 10-year stint in jail was over, we got back together for 2 weeks, then he told me he wanted his ex-gf back. Third boyfriend cheated on me the entire time. Fourth and final boyfriend, was physically abusive and tried strangling me. So yes, I DON'T trust people anymore. Yes, I AM cynical.
 

JesusLives

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In my personal experiences in relationships, my first boyfriend stole checks from me, among other things, and forged my name on them. Ran me into overdraft charges bigtime. Second boyfriend ended up going to jail, and ran up my phone bill to $800 because he called me all the time. He cheated on me from the start, and after his 10-year stint in jail was over, we got back together for 2 weeks, then he told me he wanted his ex-gf back. Third boyfriend cheated on me the entire time. Fourth and final boyfriend, was physically abusive and tried strangling me. So yes, I DON'T trust people anymore. Yes, I AM cynical.
Were any of these boyfriends truly Christian men? It makes me sad you have totally given up...but I understand the why... However, if you have never given a Christian man who has truly given his heart to God a try, maybe one more chance for one of them?
 
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Roses, you actually just answered your own question. So many people have been hurt in relationships. Lied to, cheated on, stolen from. So it makes absolute sense that people are cynical of each other. Your kids are right, girls and guys both do it.
Yes I did and that was my total point. Its sad our world has come to a place of such distrust.
 

blue_ladybug

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Were any of these boyfriends truly Christian men? It makes me sad you have totally given up...but I understand the why... However, if you have never given a Christian man who has truly given his heart to God a try, maybe one more chance for one of them?
None of them were/are christians. They are all bad boys, and I had a habit of falling for the bad boys. Not anymore. I'm happy being single. :)
 

cinder

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Maybe the question we should be asking is how can we learn to accurately gauge people's trustworthiness before getting burned? I feel blessed that I have good instincts on this, but a lot of other people don't. So how can people keep from repeating those bad experiences of betrayal?
 
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Rosesrock

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Maybe the question we should be asking is how can we learn to accurately gauge people's trustworthiness before getting burned? I feel blessed that I have good instincts on this, but a lot of other people don't. So how can people keep from repeating those bad experiences of betrayal?
Pray wisdom and discernment, have certain standards and let God shine through us?

Yes cinder great post.
 
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In my opinion new relationships should be a clean slate of sort, it's not like anybody can know everything about a person when first meeting them. Surely can't use past issues to measure a new relationship, in my view it's not healthy to hold on too things in our past that have hurt us, yea I know some can be real hard to get past but still it doesn't matter that hurt needs to be overcome can't live a healthy loving life while holding on too past hurts that doesn't compute.