Christians and Homosexuality (Please do not fight.)

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hislastwalk

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After coming out of homosexuality, I realized my biggest, and main struggle, was other Christians. It is very hard to go into a religion, that you felt so bashed by. One of the main things that always made me detest Christianity and God was when I would hear other CHRISTIANS say “Dude, your a faggot!” “Ewww, your gay?” GREAT REFLECTION OF GOD? NO! I am not here to judge, I am just trying to make a point. I think most Christian’s act this way because they have not taken the time to understand homosexuality to it’s fullest. They say “your not born that way” and this confuses a lot of homosexuals, because a lot of them HAVE had homosexual temptations since they were younger. The thing to understand, as a Christian, is we we are all born into sin… so in a way, yes you are born gay (as far as your mind goes), but doesn’t the bible say we need to be born again? If your born again, the old is gone, and you have became a new creation! And also, it is also a theory that there might be chemicals in your brain, that make you gay… well since only 6% of the worlds population is gay (yes they re-did the statistics) maybe it is a illness, and we as Christians should stop putting God in a box, if he can heal cancer, let him heal this too! Disease? Possibly. In a spiritual sense though, yes, all sin is a disease.
Now I am talking directly to homosexuals: Understand homosexuality! HOMOSEXUALITY is a choice, as far as your actions, you CHOOSE your actions. The feelings, you may have been born with, but we all choose to act on our temptations. Wouldn’t it be so much better to live a celibate life and live forever in love with the creator of the universe? I believe so. I also have recently read a passage that spoke to me, and God has given me this word.. now understand, aids is not God’s curse, bad stuff happens because of curse of sin, all b/c of Adam and Eve.. but here is the verse:
In the same way, the men turned away from their natural love for women. They burned with sexual longing for each other. Men did shameful things with other men. They suffered in their bodies for all the twisted things they did. -Romans 1:27
Notice the last sentence, “They suffered IN THEIR BODIES for all the twisted things they did.” (This chapter also talks about ALL sexual perversion, so straight people, this is for you too.”) Different translations say “they received punishments in their bodies” etc, etc. Is it possible this verse is referring to aids and other STD’s, or even unwanted pregnancies? IDK, this is just something God has been laying on my heart, and I believe a lot of people over look this verse a bit.
 
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hislastwalk

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as Damon Thompson wouldd say "you might have been born gay, but you can not be born again gay. Jesus doesn't do things half-way!"
 
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HhhLGA89

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Great post. I agree that we are ALL born sinners; if homosexuality was your lot then it's not your fault. But, it is up to someone who is homosexual to decide whether or not they want to remain in that sin or not. To me, honestly, I can get vehemently upset about things I think other Christians are compromising on; so I have had times where it seemed like I was bashing when I only wanted to defend truth (although I never called a homosexual a f-a-g-...whatever. I cant even spell the word let alone say it!) I think the church needs to exalt grace and truth in this area.

Praise God you chose to obey the gospel rather than be offended by it.
And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.(Matthew 11:6, KJV)
 
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HhhLGA89 said:
Great post. I agree that we are ALL born sinners; if homosexuality was your lot then it's not your fault. But, it is up to someone who is homosexual to decide whether or not they want to remain in that sin or not. To me, honestly, I can get vehemently upset about things I think other Christians are compromising on; so I have had times where it seemed like I was bashing when I only wanted to defend truth (although I never called a homosexual a f-a-g-...whatever. I cant even spell the word let alone say it!) I think the church needs to exalt grace and truth in this area.

Praise God you chose to obey the gospel rather than be offended by it.
And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.(Matthew 11:6, KJV)
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Is being straight a sin you have to choose whether to remain in?
 
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HhhLGA89

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let me clarify. I mean natural before the fall. we live in a corrupted world now.
 
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there is no direct specific distinction in either testament..... old or new, the bible tends to concentrate on one objective (duh: awesome deduction): faith in and belief in the scriptures of GOD.-----------edited------------- he loved everyone, twist it any way you want. by the bottom line is love, faith, obedience to your faith, and the honest attempt to pass it on to others. nuff sed.
 
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apocalypseArisen said:
Is being straight a sin you have to choose whether to remain in?
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actually yes there is heterosexual, sexual sins too. it's the same concept there too.were born sexual beings.(I.e: born into sin)
 
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SandCrabby said:
there is no direct specific distinction in either testament..... old or new, the bible tends to concentrate on one objective (duh: awesome deduction): faith in and belief in the scriptures of GOD.-----------edited------------- he loved everyone, twist it any way you want. by the bottom line is love, faith, obedience to your faith, and the honest attempt to pass it on to others. nuff sed.
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Did you seriously just imply that irrelevance?
 
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hislastwalk

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Ugly said:
Did you seriously just imply that irrelevance?
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I don't believe they mean it like that.. my post was about how Christians need to understand and quite shunning and making fun of gay people if they wanna help them. The term Christian means to be like Christ... well I never seen Christ walk up to a prostitute and be like "Hey! Your a whore, go stop sinning." he always tried befriending them first.. like the lady at the well, he asked her for a drink of water before he ever told her about how sinful she was.
 
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hislastwalk said:
as Damon Thompson wouldd say "you might have been born gay, but you can not be born again gay. Jesus doesn't do things half-way!"
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Does the teacher teach that a born again believer is totally santified? Or just that among the sins they might still be not yet freed from homosexuality is excluded? Not saying he is wrong either way, just curious
 
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hislastwalk

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Does the teacher teach that a born again believer is totally santified? Or just that among the sins they might still be not yet freed from homosexuality is excluded? Not saying he is wrong either way, just curious
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I don't fully understand the question, it could be because I JUST woke up xD rephrase it? lol
 
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hislastwalk said:
I don't believe they mean it like that.. my post was about how Christians need to understand and quite shunning and making fun of gay people if they wanna help them. The term Christian means to be like Christ... well I never seen Christ walk up to a prostitute and be like "Hey! Your a whore, go stop sinning." he always tried befriending them first.. like the lady at the well, he asked her for a drink of water before he ever told her about how sinful she was.
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Amen hislastwalk. Amen. I see many Christians do that. It is also hypocrisy, because Jesus said that anyone who even looks with lust at a woman commits adultery in his heart with her.

Both will end up in hell.

So before one tries to mock or condemn, rather than restore, it is error already.

However, it is wrong, and it is even worse for a Christian to try and justify the sin.

But again, no Christian should become a judge of the sin, but should, as Christ did, show them the way of salvation. MERCY!

The Law plays an important part in bringing the knowledge of sin, that is why many Christians want to kick it out, to justify their sins.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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hislastwalk

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Amen hislastwalk. Amen. I see many Christians do that. It is also hypocrisy, because Jesus said that anyone who even looks with lust at a woman commits adultery in his heart with her.

Both will end up in hell.

So before one tries to mock or condemn, rather than restore, it is error already.

However, it is wrong, and it is even worse for a Christian to try and justify the sin.

But again, no Christian should become a judge of the sin, but should, as Christ did, show them the way of salvation. MERCY!

The Law plays an important part in bringing the knowledge of sin, that is why many Christians want to kick it out, to justify their sins.

May Jesus bless you.
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I do agree with this quote... "‎"Why is it a hate crime to speak the truth to the homosexual? In fact, doing so is the most loving thing a person could do." but there comes a point to where it's just us shoving it down in their face. I do believe we don't need to accept homosexuality. but if a gay person comes to me, and asks about if it's a sin, I'm not gonna lie to them. and if I have a close gay friend, I tell them, ya know, that they can be set free. I'm working on a book currently called Nothing Is Impossible: Understanding and Overcoming Homosexuality. I'ma make it free, because I don't want money to be the factor keeping someone who needs it, from reading it.
 
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Not to be a b-hole or anything, but that book exists a hundred times over. I would recommend reading a few of them if you haven't already (just so you aren't reinventing the wheel).

I do like the idea of making it free, though. Kids need help... the more places that can help them, the better.
 
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hislastwalk

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Not to be a b-hole or anything, but that book exists a hundred times over. I would recommend reading a few of them if you haven't already (just so you aren't reinventing the wheel).

I do like the idea of making it free, though. Kids need help... the more places that can help them, the better.
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the idea from the book came from God. It's not like a story, it's about how to overcome, and steps to be taken.etc. Here is one of the chapters:

CHAPTER FOUR
THE 10% LIE​

So the biggest lie of all, is probably that 10% of the United States population is gay. This is not true! Most people use this statistic, because usually we apply that it's true in the other societies of the world as well!
What I find funny is the fact that no one knows where this statistic came from when they quote it. In fact, their not even quoting it correctly when they do us it!
This statistic comes from a study done over 40 years ago! You see, when William Kinsey did this study, his method for finding the statistic had so many flaws in it!
Here are a few of the flaws: 25% of the 5,300 people that Kinsey had studied were prison inmates, “who by the nature of their confinement, couldn't have heterosexual intercourse.” Another funny thing is that 44% of them had homosexual intercourse WHILE in prison.
I don't really see how this represents a population?
Kinsey also admitted that male prostitutes were used in the study as well.
So when people use this study as a quote, they fail to use it accurately! HE NEVER SAID THAT 10% OF THE POPULATION IS GAY! He said that 10% of men from America were “more or less” a homosexual for at least 3 years of their lives between the ages of 16 and 65! For females the statistic stated 5%.
The real percentage of American's who have been gay their whole life, (according to this study) is only 4% for men, and 3% of women.
NOW, the statistic has changed to “less then 1% exclusively homosexual” -as reported by the 1990 meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science
JOURNAL TIME! Write down anything you have learned, and anything that the Holy Spirit has revealed to you! DON'T FORGET TO PRAY!
 
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As a born again Christian I must say that I have no hatred for a homosexual. Jesus came to save the sinner and no doubt if you read God's word homosexuality is a sin. There is no getting around that. God has not changed His mind on the matter either, because He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. I do, however, hate the sin, and even the very thought of it, because it is an abomination in the sight of God. It is the person's heart that needs healed and delivered out of that fallen condition. If you are a homosexual, I will love you, but I will also tell you that you need to repent and turn your heart to the Lord and turn away from it. For the wages of sin is death. Death to the spirit, death to the body, death to the soul. Jesus saves!
 
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As a born again Christian I must say that I have no hatred for a homosexual. Jesus came to save the sinner and no doubt if you read God's word homosexuality is a sin. There is no getting around that. God has not changed His mind on the matter either, because He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. I do, however, hate the sin, and even the very thought of it, because it is an abomination in the sight of God. It is the person's heart that needs healed and delivered out of that fallen condition. If you are a homosexual, I will love you, but I will also tell you that you need to repent and turn your heart to the Lord and turn away from it. For the wages of sin is death. Death to the spirit, death to the body, death to the soul. Jesus saves!
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Yes I agree.
But you can't just walk up to a gay parade with signs saying "homosexuality is a sin" if you notice in scripture Jesus always befriended people before he told them they were sinners. We are not suppose to judge non-believers, because their non-believers, their almost expected to sin o; their not held to the higher standard that Christians are: HOWEVER, my gay friends, DO know my stance on homosexuality, and I always eventually bring it up with them, but it's all in our wording o; we don't wanna make 'em feel like were being hateful, that's just gonna turn 'em away
 
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I do not agree with holding up signs that read's God hates fags. This is not my method. In fact many of those people who do that have some hidden sins of their own(hidden before men, not God, God sees everything). When I said I tell them they should repent I should have taken that further and said the best method is to show them love and and open them up to God's words and then explain about repentance and forgiveness of sins. But this sin should not be watered down by any means but taken carefully with each individual who we are ministering to. Sometimes the best way to minister to people is to just show them Christ within you. The Holy Spirit will bring them to conviction in God's timing if their heart is open and they are willing to change and are longing to be set free. The problem with many people today is that the don't want to repent, they want to continue in their sins and reject Jesus Christ. The Lord said that men would love darkness more than light, and they would not come to the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But this is not the case of all, because the Lord's sheep hears His voice when He is calling them.
 
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abidingbranch said:
I do not agree with holding up signs that read's God hates fags. This is not my method. In fact many of those people who do that have some hidden sins of their own(hidden before men, not God, God sees everything). When I said I tell them they should repent I should have taken that further and said the best method is to show them love and and open them up to God's words and then explain about repentance and forgiveness of sins. But this sin should not be watered down by any means but taken carefully with each individual who we are ministering to. Sometimes the best way to minister to people is to just show them Christ within you. The Holy Spirit will bring them to conviction in God's timing if their heart is open and they are willing to change and are longing to be set free. The problem with many people today is that the don't want to repent, they want to continue in their sins and reject Jesus Christ. The Lord said that men would love darkness more than light, and they would not come to the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But this is not the case of all, because the Lord's sheep hears His voice when He is calling them.
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Well said....
 
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