I Don't Believe There is a God

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Yourfriend4life

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no one expects you to fully understand the question anyway.....

thats all im saying
 
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DannyC

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no one expects you to fully understand the question anyway.....

thats all im saying
I understand your explanation, the only comment I made was saying 'why are you?' is an incorrect format. No reasonable person would be able to know what your saying, my comment has nothing to do with being spiritual, this has to do with pure grammar and rhetoric.

Considering the question, I need God to exist, I would only say with the evidence I've seen and study I've done, and still am doing, there is no reason to believe in God/Gods or any deity.
 
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Yourfriend4life

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ive presented that same same question to numerous people and the majority know how to form an answer with just alittle extra explination.

God deffinitally does exist but im not alive to proove anything at all to atheist. but ill always defend the One i serve
 
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DannyC

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ive presented that same same question to numerous people and the majority know how to form an answer with just alittle extra explination.

God deffinitally does exist but im not alive to proove anything at all to atheist. but ill always defend the One i serve
The explanation is required because the question has no merit, it just doesn't make sense grammatically. I need to see valid evidence for the existence of a theistic God, then I will believe he/she/it exists.
 
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Yourfriend4life

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i can see why someone who doent even live in my culture to understand. its ok go do somthing you know how to do. because oh its so sad when you must actually stop and think for yourself.

im done responding to you......i do not even desire alittle help atheists becasue like ive said

WHY ARE YOU

because i have no idea

it doesnt matter if you understand or not.....the question makes perfect sense to me.
if you want proof go get it yourself im not the one who will ever present gold to an atheist on a platter.
theres proof out there.....go find it yourself
 
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DannyC

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i can see why someone who doent even live in my culture to understand. its ok go do somthing you know how to do. because oh its so sad when you must actually stop and think for yourself.

im done responding to you......i do not even desire alittle help atheists becasue like ive said

WHY ARE YOU

because i have no idea

it doesnt matter if you understand or not.....the question makes perfect sense to me.
if you want proof go get it yourself im not the one who will ever present gold to an atheist on a platter.
theres proof out there.....go find it yourself
I think for myself quite alot, I depend on my own intuition and experiences, admittedly experiences I find are more consistant. I don't feel you were helping, little than having a rant about atheists.

Again 'Why are you' makes no sense, and the fact you've left out the question mark, means it's not even a question anymore.

Why would you ask someone a question then care not if they understand?

I've yet to see proof like I said earlier.
 
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Cleanandforgiven

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I understand got everything but if you aren't willing to believe in God no evidence is going to help that but I'll give you one thing. you might not like it, you might not think it's proof, but if you don't think this is proof or anything else is proof, then you're not going to believe in God now in the first place, because your mind is closed to him. But about this: there's only two ways that the universe could be here right now. one of them is without a creator, it means to habe the materials the universe is made with, they have always been here, there's never been anything that created them or anything that caused it. Some object with no will had to have always been there. Or, there has to be a creator who is supreme and holy and has always been there to create this stuff. you can't just say, "who created him?" because somewhere it has to stop. Something had to have created everything or always have been here. It would've have to have been either the materials that made up the universe or it had to be God. I would say God, with a Will and a power to Create us, is a more sound and rational choice. But, if you dont believe and your heart isn't truly open, if you aren't seeking God, I cant give you proof to mle you believe. Have you read Exodus 20 and John 3:16? We have all done evil and sinned and deserve to be punished. God is sinless and sees sin for what it is. He is just and has to carry out punishment, but to save you found a legal way out: He sent his Son to die for you, sacrificed His life for you, and if you believe and turn to Christ, you'll be forgiven and forever live with God! God bless you, and may you believe.
 
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Yourfriend4life

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atleast someone exist to try to try help you
she will be rewarded by God
she attempts to help one of the most looked down upon types of people ( atheists)
i wont join in but still i appaud your effort cleanandforgiven
 
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I always find it amusing how naive some athiests are. Do you really presume that in the enourmity of the universe, the only existence is what you can perceive with your limited understanding....your tiny limited fragmented understanding?!

It's quite funny, honestly.

I DO NOT BELIEVE IN GOD WHATSOEVER! However, I'm skeptical. If one of you can give me a solid reason as to why I should believe in God, and I mean a really good reason, I will admit on here that God is real. But I have to tell you that I don't think any of you can give me a solid reason because there isn't any proof.
 
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DannyC

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I always find it amusing how naive some athiests are. Do you really presume that in the enourmity of the universe, the only existence is what you can perceive with your limited understanding....your tiny limited fragmented understanding?!

It's quite funny, honestly.
I can't speak for all atheists, but can you go into more detail about 'the only existance is what you perceive with your limited understanding'. I don't presume we are the only things in existance. Also how would you perceive existance outside understanding?
 

NateDaGrimes

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yet you perceive that god doesnt exist with your own little understanding
 
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TosinAsLeader

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Atheists know quite alot actually! I can easily turn the agrument into: "Christians are hypocrites. Hey that Christian over there is looking at porn. That one ove there made a video on youtube on how stupid someone looks and is condemned to Hell by default because he plays in a metal band. Etc etc etc." Heres one: Christians are close-minded judges.


DannyC: Your right, "yourfriend4life" makes no sense and only purpose was to put down and troll. I would like to ask you in a friendly way though. What do you found lacking in the evidence and/or proof of an existence of a thestic god?
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I like to tell the atheist wallowing in the same sin the Christian is and calling the Christian a hypocrite for it that the Christian is actually better than them because they believe in something good but fall short... to be a hypocrite would be a step UP for an atheist doing the exact same behavior but calling everyone else a hypocrite for it.

Atheists know quite alot actually! I can easily turn the agrument into: "Christians are hypocrites. Hey that Christian over there is looking at porn. That one ove there made a video on youtube on how stupid someone looks and is condemned to Hell by default because he plays in a metal band. Etc etc etc." Heres one: Christians are close-minded judges.


DannyC: Your right, "yourfriend4life" makes no sense and only purpose was to put down and troll. I would like to ask you in a friendly way though. What do you found lacking in the evidence and/or proof of an existence of a thestic god?
 
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TosinAsLeader

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I like to tell the atheist wallowing in the same sin the Christian is and calling the Christian a hypocrite for it that the Christian is actually better than them because they believe in something good but fall short... to be a hypocrite would be a step UP for an atheist doing the exact same behavior but calling everyone else a hypocrite for it.
What are you trying exactly? Christians are better than Athiest because of hypocrisy?
 
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Charlamane

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I think for myself quite alot, I depend on my own intuition and experiences, admittedly experiences I find are more consistant. I don't feel you were helping, little than having a rant about atheists.

Again 'Why are you' makes no sense, and the fact you've left out the question mark, means it's not even a question anymore.

Why would you ask someone a question then care not if they understand?

I've yet to see proof like I said earlier.

One proof I see is this: when He has drawn close to me at different times in my life, the words of praise that involuntarily sprung to my lips mirrored perfectly the same words spoken by countless other Christians who have experienced the same thing. At one especially difficult time in my life, when I felt His Presence draw close to me, the words that came rushing out of my mouth were this: ''There is none like you, oh my God! None to compare You with! Nothing to use as reference that could ever come close to describing Your magnificence!"

From all I have seen and heard over the course of my life, my reaction matched perfectly countless other reactions I’ve seen in scriptures and personally witnessed in other Christians. Again, those words that came out of my mouth were merely a reaction to His presence. Only afterwards, did I again notice virtually the same words spoken in scripture as well as sung in countless songs of praise. That sameness is a constant, and that constancy does not imply random chance. There is a FORCE behind it that remains the same, always. He does not change. He writes the same laws on all hearts that belong to Him, laws that match perfectly the same ones He relates to us in scripture. It is that Voice belonging to that Person that speaks those words, and it is that same Person I recognize when He draws near to me.You make that vital connection with Him, and you will recognize His Voice. That constancy is my proof.

To say there can be no reality beyond our physical realm only reveals how limited one’s thinking is. Yes it is true: we can only see three dimensionally, and we can only survive within our material world. One must connect with the spiritual realm by way of the Holy Spirit to realize its reality, and that must be accomplished on an individual basis.

It is no one’s job to convince someone else that God exists. You want to find God? He’s there to be found by those that search with all their hearts.
 
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DannyC

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One proof I see is this: when He has drawn close to me at different times in my life, the words of praise that involuntarily sprung to my lips mirrored perfectly the same words spoken by countless other Christians who have experienced the same thing. At one especially difficult time in my life, when I felt His Presence draw close to me, the words that came rushing out of my mouth were this: ''There is none like you, oh my God! None to compare You with! Nothing to use as reference that could ever come close to describing Your magnificence!"

From all I have seen and heard over the course of my life, my reaction matched perfectly countless other reactions I’ve seen in scriptures and personally witnessed in other Christians. Again, those words that came out of my mouth were merely a reaction to His presence. Only afterwards, did I again notice virtually the same words spoken in scripture as well as sung in countless songs of praise. That sameness is a constant, and that constancy does not imply random chance. There is a FORCE behind it that remains the same, always. He does not change. He writes the same laws on all hearts that belong to Him, laws that match perfectly the same ones He relates to us in scripture. It is that Voice belonging to that Person that speaks those words, and it is that same Person I recognize when He draws near to me.You make that vital connection with Him, and you will recognize His Voice. That constancy is my proof.

To say there can be no reality beyond our physical realm only reveals how limited one’s thinking is. Yes it is true: we can only see three dimensionally, and we can only survive within our material world. One must connect with the spiritual realm by way of the Holy Spirit to realize its reality, and that must be accomplished on an individual basis.

It is no one’s job to convince someone else that God exists. You want to find God? He’s there to be found by those that search with all their hearts.
I never claimed it was anyone's job, but if you insist he exists and if your claim is to be taken seriously, then evidence is needed.

Your story about a 'spiritual' experience is interesting, but I cannot use it as evidence because it's not actually objective nor does it have any control in order to base it on. At most it's interesting,but with thousands of religions all claiming to have divine/direct interaction with their God then how do you filter the so called truth out of it?

Not to mention the obvious fact that if we take just one religion, Islam we could reasonably say that believers of their faith would claim to have a direct connection with Allah.
 

NateDaGrimes

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Atheists know quite alot actually! I can easily turn the agrument into: "Christians are hypocrites. Hey that Christian over there is looking at porn. That one ove there made a video on youtube on how stupid someone looks and is condemned to Hell by default because he plays in a metal band. Etc etc etc." Heres one: Christians are close-minded judges.


DannyC: Your right, "yourfriend4life" makes no sense and only purpose was to put down and troll. I would like to ask you in a friendly way though. What do you found lacking in the evidence and/or proof of an existence of a thestic god?

actually those hypocrites would be wolves in sheeps clothing,or they are just Fakers.. You can tell somone is a christian and who is not on how they act when they are alone.. or when they are not at church.

Atheist thus know little since they only gain a lot of knowledge from their professors, books, teachers. But they dont really know God and bible because they dont want to. We know a lot from the bible and God yet we know little of what the atheist are being taught.

If one claims they know the bible than its blantantly false since they really never thought of having just one ounce of faith on it... not one little saying " hmm maybe god is real"

And Jake... you should know that the music that you listen to does not really glorify god no matter who says it.. All those people that said this gets thumbs up. btw jake God says so too xD

im not going to bother giving you a verse you might as well do your own searching =P

besides the bible states there will be a few that will go to heaven, since people who call themselves christians are hypocrites.. or christians that backslide this would be the reason why a few will go.
 
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DannyC

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actually those hypocrites would be wolves in sheeps clothing,or they are just Fakers.. You can tell somone is a christian and who is not on how they act when they are alone.. or when they are not at church.

Atheist thus know little since they only gain a lot of knowledge from their professors, books, teachers. But they dont really know God and bible because they dont want to. We know a lot from the bible and God yet we know little of what the atheist are being taught.

If one claims they know the bible than its blantantly false since they really never thought of having just one ounce of faith on it... not one little saying " hmm maybe god is real"

And Jake... you should know that the music that you listen to does not really glorify god no matter who says it.. All those people that said this gets thumbs up. btw jake God says so too xD

im not going to bother giving you a verse you might as well do your own searching =P

besides the bible states there will be a few that will go to heaven, since people who call themselves christians are hypocrites.. or christians that backslide this would be the reason why a few will go.
Does your blank generalisation also cover men like Dan Barker who served as a Christian preacher for 19 years before losing his faith or maybe Bart D.Ehrman a New Testament scholar, who is a distinguished professor of religious studies, a man who was a Christian, spent years studying the bible, and wrote dozens of books regarding the matter of biblical inerrancy.
 

NateDaGrimes

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yet you still go off to another guy that left Christianity or studied the bible. Still You have not answered whether or not you even studied. A tragedy that happens they question god like " why me, why not someone else" when they feel god has left them they lose faith and decide to be an atheist. But thats not the point here, since you are obviously trying to stir away with people that used to be Christians.
 
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DannyC

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yet you still go off to another guy that left Christianity or studied the bible. Still You have not answered whether or not you even studied. A tragedy that happens they question god like " why me, why not someone else" when they feel god has left them they lose faith and decide to be an atheist. But thats not the point here, since you are obviously trying to stir away with people that used to be Christians.
Well you never asked me if I studied the bible, that question was never posed. I don't assume what they say when they leave Christianity, nor do I presuppose that I know.

Yes I have studied the bible.