I Don't Believe There is a God

[DarkVoid]

So there is a cop-out technique i often see. and that is: "we can't understand gods ways so just accept what we can"

riiiiiiiiight, funny seeing as how he could have made us able to understand if he wanted to...so why did he want to keep us in the dark? what has he got to hide? hmmm

seems suspicious, which makes me question his motives, which destroys trust

so for people like me seems like this whole thing was set up to fail.

fun times! lol

 

[Abiding]

So there is a cop-out technique i often see. and that is: "we can't understand gods ways so just accept what we can"

riiiiiiiiight, funny seeing as how he could have made us able to understand if he wanted to...so why did he want to keep us in the dark? what has he got to hide? hmmm

seems suspicious, which makes me question his motives, which destroys trust

so for people like me seems like this whole thing was set up to fail.

fun times! lol

But what He has given us to know....you dont have a clue. Now isnt that weird?
that makes me suspicious. I question your motives. Well not really.

 

[DarkVoid]

But what He has given us to know....you dont have a clue. Now isnt that weird?
that makes me suspicious. I question your motives. Well not really.

i probably know as much about "god" as you do. and that's not much.

my motives? my motive is to try and figure out what exactly is the point of existance on a grander scale. (if there is any)

it's probably folly but ah well...may the folly tasks give cause to consider. (if that made sense) xD

 

[Batman007]

He is immortal and is therefore not subjected to our command or will. We just can't grasp the knowledge he contains because it is to much for us to understand.

Can you provide a few reasons why you think the "bible," is contradicting itself when it is the only book I know that has survived through countless harms of nature and man, which is still together today?

really? Mohammad wrote the Korah, not G-d. All these other "holy," and "religion," books are man's examples of power control.

I wouldn't say that. Many "christians" aren't actual followers. Without hesitation means to not think before you act. An actual believer doesn't blindly follow somethin if they don't know if it is real or not. Tell me, have you heard the phrase: "I spoke in tongues?" It is unwise to say this is of over-charged emotions mixed with an illusion, because to speak in tongues, you must experience it yourself, right? Its a personal matter more or less. My point being in the same manner, who has searched the infinite universe to claim that their is no G-d? If you lose something, say an ipod. Does that mean that it doesn't exist or you haven't found it?

G-d gave Adam and Eve "the free will" in hopes that they would follow him on there own. Well they didn't , therefore sin was born. I believe you have heard or read the rest (john 3:16 for an ex)

Right well I can't argue that because it's a nonsense argument which you can use to answer any question that stumps you. "We just can't grasp the knowledge he contains because it is too much for us to understand". Then why not create us with the ability to have the knowledge? Because god can do anything, so no, that's not a good argument.

*coughcoughcough*A List Of Biblical Contradictions*coughcough*

"really? Mohammad wrote the Korah, not G-d. All these other "holy," and "religion," books are man's examples of power control." Well I have an answer for this but I don't think you'd like it.

That ending kind of jumps around so I don't entirely get your point.

Who has searched the infinite universe to say that there IS a god? I'm not saying that there's not, because you're right I don't think it can be proven either way. The difference is, an ipod won't condemn you to hell for not getting found.

Except god would already know that adam and eve don't follow him, because he is all-knowing. Even before he made man he knew that this would happen. So he basically creates mankind already aware that they won't follow him, gets upset that they don't follow him, and as punishment gives us sin and hell, knowing full well that most of his people will end up there. He knew all this from the beginning, so why not tweak his creation so that they would follow him and lalala happily ever after.

 

[TosinAsLeader]

So there is a cop-out technique i often see. and that is: "we can't understand gods ways so just accept what we can"

riiiiiiiiight, funny seeing as how he could have made us able to understand if he wanted to...so why did he want to keep us in the dark? what has he got to hide? hmmm

seems suspicious, which makes me question his motives, which destroys trust

so for people like me seems like this whole thing was set up to fail.

fun times! lol

Cop-out? If you can understand a complex Creator than you must be god. Same thing with scientific studies in whatever field. Scientist rely on the basic laws of the universe such as the laws of gravity etc., to make discoveries and/or research. A believer of G-d relys on the bible(known as G-d's word) to have a basic guideline, though in both undersandings, science and G-d are not fully understood and probably never will be. It may seem that G-d is not wise to trust, but does that also mean we can't trust science because we can not grasp the complexity?

It is not reality to just accept certain ways just because. There has to be an actual reason. What are you really trying to agrue here: that there is no G-d or that G-d is corrupted?

 

[Batman007]

my motives? my motive is to try and figure out what exactly is the point of existance on a grander scale. (if there is any)

Me too, my friend! And I have to say, after searching the past couple years I'm starting to think there isn't any point to existence, but I think I'm pretty much an existentialist so that doesn't help haha

And really quickly (I know this isn't the best thread) if you want something that'll really make you feel small and insignificant, watch some documentaries on space. Nothing makes your existence feel pointless like getting an idea for how minuscule we are compared to the vast scale of the universe. Mind blowing!

 

[DarkVoid]

Cop-out? If you can understand a complex Creator than you must be god.

my point was: he could have created us with the ability to understand his ways but he did not. why? to make us rely on him? why would he want us to be dependent? you ever been in a relationship with someone who tries to make you depend on them? yea, its not a good thing.

What are you really trying to agrue here: that there is no G-d or that G-d is corrupted?

Well it would seem if there is a god then he is indeed "corrupted", or forsaken us, or maybe there is none? or if he is a loving god then he is powerless to help us and therefore not all-powerful, or maybe he is not all knowing so he did not know all the bad stuff that would happen or maybe he can't be everywhere at once and is busy with other parts of the universe and will get around to us on his 100,000 year check up?? who knows??

or maybe it is something else completely. so many possibilities...

(the quote thing kinda failed) -.-

 

[terminator]

And disagreeing with the scientific method is not willing ignorance. The fact that you haven't even addressed these well known problems in the Philosophy of Science on your part shows ignorance if anything. And I'd be entertained to see how you resolve these logical problems in science.

Ok thanks

 

[Hungry]

To all of the doubters. Once I was young and "smart" like you. I was sure I knew everything. I would ask questions like you do just so I could correct them when they gave me the answer I knew I would give me. I was helping them out of their ignorance. I was even smart enough to fool myself. My arguments were even stronger than your own. Then I met some Christians and we would debate. Oh how I loved to debate and demonstrate my intellectualism, so articulate and full of pomp. However I was a seeker of truth. I hate being wrong. Then I wondered what if I am wrong? So I started to debate myself. I studied from both perspectives. I really wanted to be right so I didn't bias myself. I sought God with all my heart, mind and soul not to find Him in particular just to find the truth. And Truth is what I found. In Jesus not just Bible accounts but what the skeptics said, what science said and more how science contradicts itself. In historical secular accounts of what they wrote about Jesus. More and more I came to the conclusion that Jesus must be who He claimed to be. Through prophecy, archeology, history and science all points to Jesus is the Christ. If He is the Christ than God must be true and the words meticulously recorded through the centuries can be trusted. I'm not going to convince you because I'm sure you're much "smarter" than me so if you really want to know the truth go convince yourself. You are the only ones you want to listen to anyway.

 

[cutepoison]

You seem to be agnostic. You definitely aren't atheist. Just wanted to put that out there. Atheists will say there is no God. Agnostics will say there is something I'm just not sure what. Then there are Humanists who believe humans are the highest power there is.

I can't in all honesty give you a good reason. I personally feel like for me it would be ignorant not to believe in him. There is just something inside of me that gives me faith. When I look at the stars at night I just think how magnificent they are. I see the complexity of life and things we don't think about such as the functioning of the human eye. I think of how man had a body and a mind capable of creating everything we have in our world today. Surely there is a God who made all of this happen. Surely it isn't by mistake. How could all of this be chance? I know that isn't offering any proof, it is just the way I think.

 

[DarkVoid]

To all of the doubters. Once I was young and "smart" like you. I was sure I knew everything. I would ask questions like you do just so I could correct them when they gave me the answer I knew I would give me. I was helping them out of their ignorance. I was even smart enough to fool myself. My arguments were even stronger than your own. Then I met some Christians and we would debate. Oh how I loved to debate and demonstrate my intellectualism, so articulate and full of pomp. However I was a seeker of truth. I hate being wrong. Then I wondered what if I am wrong? So I started to debate myself. I studied from both perspectives. I really wanted to be right so I didn't bias myself. I sought God with all my heart, mind and soul not to find Him in particular just to find the truth. And Truth is what I found. In Jesus not just Bible accounts but what the skeptics said, what science said and more how science contradicts itself. In historical secular accounts of what they wrote about Jesus. More and more I came to the conclusion that Jesus must be who He claimed to be. Through prophecy, archeology, history and science all points to Jesus is the Christ. If He is the Christ than God must be true and the words meticulously recorded through the centuries can be trusted. I'm not going to convince you because I'm sure you're much "smarter" than me so if you really want to know the truth go convince yourself. You are the only ones you want to listen to anyway.

Just cuz the history of the bible is true does not mean the nature/motives of the god described in the bible is true. They are two different things and one does not prove the other.

There is more proof of gods existance than there is gods nature/motives. Funny cuz the nature/motives of god are more important than his mere existance.

I really don't see any reasonable evidence to suggest a god of any sort has our best interests in mind.

 

[Ugly]

... because All THREADS exist and continue at the whim of the OP?? Lately...most responders are talking to each other...

But not all. Which is why i made my comment. There were still a number of people quoting and responding to the OP. So yeah, my post was still valid.

 

[Ugly]

You can't be certain he's not reading this thread

Its called trolling. People are always posting controversial topics and then disappearing.

And even IF he was, he's not going to get much out of this thread. Seems the majority are just arguing with each other. So not exactly a great example.

 

[Batman007]

You seem to be agnostic. You definitely aren't atheist. Just wanted to put that out there. Atheists will say there is no God. Agnostics will say there is something I'm just not sure what. Then there are Humanists who believe humans are the highest power there is.

I can't in all honesty give you a good reason. I personally feel like for me it would be ignorant not to believe in him. There is just something inside of me that gives me faith. When I look at the stars at night I just think how magnificent they are. I see the complexity of life and things we don't think about such as the functioning of the human eye. I think of how man had a body and a mind capable of creating everything we have in our world today. Surely there is a God who made all of this happen. Surely it isn't by mistake. How could all of this be chance? I know that isn't offering any proof, it is just the way I think.

Sorry but just have to point out, agnostic doesn't mean "there is something", it means "I don't know if there's something, nor can anyone else".

 

[DannyC]

You seem to be agnostic. You definitely aren't atheist. Just wanted to put that out there. Atheists will say there is no God. Agnostics will say there is something I'm just not sure what. Then there are Humanists who believe humans are the highest power there is.

I can't in all honesty give you a good reason. I personally feel like for me it would be ignorant not to believe in him. There is just something inside of me that gives me faith. When I look at the stars at night I just think how magnificent they are. I see the complexity of life and things we don't think about such as the functioning of the human eye. I think of how man had a body and a mind capable of creating everything we have in our world today. Surely there is a God who made all of this happen. Surely it isn't by mistake. How could all of this be chance? I know that isn't offering any proof, it is just the way I think.

No sorry you have the wrong definitions, but really there are a few different definitions for atheism. There is gnostic atheism, agnostic atheism, which are basically 'strong' atheism or 'weak' atheism. I don't like the idea of using strong and weak because I think strong and weak don't mean what the definition really is. As an atheist I don't confirm that there in fact is no God, to prove a negative of that value is quite a challenge, but it can be done. I affirm that there is no evidence to support the belief in God, therefore I do not believe in God, that would be agnostic atheism or 'weak' atheism. Rarely will you find someone who says there for definitive is no god.

Theistic Gods can be disproven but deistic Gods are more of a challenge really and it's better not to waste time on them.An agnostic will claim that we just don't know, He neither affirms a belief or claims no belief, he just doesn't know.

I would agree with you if this is claimed to be a 'mistake' or by 'chance' I probably wouldn't believe it either, but The theories for the complexity of life do not follow that we are here by chance. We are here as part of a non-random process i.e Natural selection.

 

[NateDaGrimes]

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Ok thanks

epic fail... you are doing it wrong

 

[Abiding]

i probably know as much about "god" as you do. and that's not much.

my motives? my motive is to try and figure out what exactly is the point of existance on a grander scale. (if there is any)

it's probably folly but ah well...may the folly tasks give cause to consider. (if that made sense) xD

presumption....hm ok. In otherwords, you know pretty much as much as everyone else?
But choose to publically run your mouth about whatever runs through your mind?

 

[DarkVoid]

presumption....hm ok. In otherwords, you know pretty much as much as everyone else?
But choose to publically run your mouth about whatever runs through your mind?

I believe its called free speech

 

[Buff_Old_Guy]

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Ok thanks

I looked at the evidence.

I prayed for a vision for God to show his existence... with FAITH. The keypoint was giving God my Faith.

I got one. God delivered a vision.

And here Iam, knowing God exists.



No offense, but I don't think your really serious. Your just throwing things out there. You think Christians haven't thought about other religions... or tough questions? That's just silly and very thoughtless on just assuming that.

 

[Buff_Old_Guy]

Just cuz the history of the bible is true does not mean the nature/motives of the god described in the bible is true. They are two different things and one does not prove the other.

There is more proof of gods existance than there is gods nature/motives. Funny cuz the nature/motives of god are more important than his mere existance.

I really don't see any reasonable evidence to suggest a god of any sort has our best interests in mind.

God gave me a vision.

I said I'd take justice into my own hands and do horrible things to a certain race of people. God prevented that by giving me a vision. I asked him in utter Faith(trust) tho.. I think that was the key point. I gave God Faith (trust) and I got one.

God saved physical lives. And he definitely saved one soul for eternity.

Another clear reaosn why I know God has our best interest in mind is because he was willing to die for you and everyone out of love. God was willing to die for us... so that we don't have to die. That shows God cares and is looking for our best interest. This death from Jesus Christ... can forgive us from sin... and if we accept/believe in Jesus... we don't go to Hell.

God is looking for our best interest .... in our eternal existence.


So, here's what I know....

I know God exists because I saw with my own two eyes that he responded with something I saw (a vision) And he evaded the physical death of who knows how many people. So, God exists.

Another thing I know is that Jesus Christ died so you and everyone else has an opportunity to go to heaven because God is that loving and forgiving. Jesus (God) is your ticket out of hell.

I also know this. God sends people to hell from a much higher moral standard. His moral standards are... you sin once, your not a good person, admirable and higher standards. While we say it's okay to do evil sometimes, it's okay to lie sometimes, steal.... lower and shameful standards. God thinks evil is so bad that if people stick with evil and never let go of it...that in order to punish evil, the person that clings onto evil goes to hell with it.


God is a God of Justice, Love and without a doubt in my mind... his a God that EXISTS.