Is it really a sin?

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May 25, 2011
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To start off, I am on my iPod so please excuse any typos. Anyways is it really a sin to eat shrimp,pork, crab, lobster, and to shave? I looked it up and some people say Jesus said all old testament rules are still in effect but some say differently? Care to clear up the air for me?
 
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To start off, I am on my iPod so please excuse any typos. Anyways is it really a sin to eat shrimp,pork, crab, lobster, and to shave?
No.

I looked it up and some people say Jesus said all old testament rules are still in effect but some say differently?
We as Christians are under the New Covenant (ushered in by Christ at the cross). The Civil and Ceremonial laws (such as those pertaining to food, ritual purity, letical preisthood etc.) do not apply to us, as we are not under the Mosaic, Abrahamic, Noahic, or Davidic Covenants.

Care to clear up the air for me?
I hope this has helped.
 
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We as Christians are under the New Covenant (ushered in by Christ at the cross). The Civil and Ceremonial laws (such as those pertaining to food, ritual purity, letical preisthood etc.) do not apply to us, as we are not under the Mosaic, Abrahamic, Noahic, or Davidic Covenants.

Agreed.

Rom 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

Rom 13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Gal 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

Jas 2:8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well...

Jas 1:27 Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Humble Yourself before the LORD and pray as often as you can:

Heavenly Father,

What is it to follow sin and what is it to follow Christ? How do I know who I am following and how do I know what is right and wrong, according to what You think? Will you teach me my right from my left? Will you teach me to discern the difference between good and evil? Will You help me to hate what You hate and to love what You love? Will You help me to bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit 100 fold?

Thank You for hearing me, answering me, and honoring me, according to Your Word in Psalms 91 and Psalms 18. Hasten Your Word to perform it, according to Jeremiah 1:12.

Justin, I stand with you in this prayer, daily, I will put you on my prayer list for it.

In Jesus Name, Amen.
 
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I don't know about this one either. The bible clearly states that at least some of these laws were given to all man kind, for all generations. There is also blessings to those who follow the laws, even if they are unbelievers.

People still look at the 10 commandments as God's Laws? Why would only 10 out of all the commandments be important?

I don't think all are done away with, but i don't think every law applies to everyone. Is an intense study, one i am still undergoing.
 
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Each individual has their own convictions aside from the obvious sins, as for myself I have been convicted to follow the dietary laws in my own life. I would say if you feel convicted or if you feel in your heart that you shouldn't eat those things, then you probably shouldn't.
 
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...It is written somewhere that Jesus said that "It's not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out."

He said this when he was asked about unclean foods if I remember right.

But, I don't want to mislead anyone. Could someone gimme the verse for this? I'm a noob when it comes to the Bible.
 
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Matthew 15


1Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
10And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.


Jesus said this when the pharisees and saducees confronted him about his disciples not washing their hands before they ate.
 
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Matthew 15


1Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying,
2Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread.
3But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
4For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.
5But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me;
6And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
7Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
9But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
10And he called the multitude, and said unto them, Hear, and understand:
11Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.


Jesus said this when the pharisees and saducees confronted him about his disciples not washing their hands before they ate.
Oh, my bad. Thanks for correcting me!
 
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Romans 6:14 "You are not under law but under grace". What does this mean? Well there are laws/commandments given by God and we don't need to follow them to be saved because God gives us grace from the work that Jesus did being a sinless human for us then paying our debt. It refers to a time when to subject oneself to the law meant you could go to heaven. James one tells us also that someone with genuine faith will have a new heart and follow the laws on their own. James Ch.2 "So speak, and so do, as men who are to be judged by a law of freedom. 13 For judgment is without mercy to him who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man says he has faith, but has no works? Can faith save him? 15 And if a brother or sister is naked and in lack of daily food, 16 and one of you tells them, “Go in peace, be warmed and filled”; and yet you didn’t give them the things the body needs, what good is it? 17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead in itself. 18 Yes, a man will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without works, and I by my works will show you my faith."
 
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Each individual has their own convictions aside from the obvious sins, as for myself I have been convicted to follow the dietary laws in my own life. I would say if you feel convicted or if you feel in your heart that you shouldn't eat those things, then you probably shouldn't.
Really thats what it all comes down to. Conviction's are a personal revelation. If you feel like you have been shown truth regarding that passage, well then awesome! I think it all really depends on God's timing, and how developed in your relationship with Christ you are!

It's never a bad thing to ask questions though!
 
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...It is written somewhere that Jesus said that "It's not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out."

He said this when he was asked about unclean foods if I remember right.

But, I don't want to mislead anyone. Could someone gimme the verse for this? I'm a noob when it comes to the Bible.
read Mt. chapter 15


15:11-20

GOD bless you Helloimandrewyo
 
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ok..Cud chewing animal with split hooves can be eaten(Leviticus 11:3)...Deuteronomy 14;6...cattle sheep, goat, deer, and gazelle families can be eaten...Deuteronomy 14:4-5...Cant eat camels, rabbits and pigs they are unclean..Leviticus 11:18 and Deuteronomy is where to look...

now there is another passage that says in Matthew 15:10-11..What goes into the mans mouth does not make him unclean but what comes out of a mans mouth is what makes him unclean..In the book of Leviticus chapter11:7 It is recorded that god declares the pig to be unclean for believer..then in (8) God says " You must not eat their meat or touch the their carcasses; they are unclean for you..This command is repeated in Deuteronomy 14:7-8 and Isaiah 65:2-4 and 66:17, God issues a stern warning against those who eat pork(unclean meat)..

Now in Matthew 5:17-20 Jesus is reported to have said quite the contrary as follows--" Do not think that i have come to abolish the law...Jesus then went on in verse19 saying to denounce anyone who would bread the smallest commandments and teach other,like wise... One of the commandment as we have seen is to stay away from pork and certain food(unclean) . Go and read 5 chapters later in acts of the apostles 15:29 (Paul) Six chapter later in chapter 21:25 ..Its states ther there decision to impose food regulation on believers is mentioned with out regret..At this time Paul is challenged to pove that he is in agreement with them..What remains then is that Jesus on whom peace upheld to the prohibition against pork and unclean foods...His disciples also upheld it and so must his followers! But we are not to judge anyone bout what they eat.....

Now i dont eat the pork or unclean foods..I figure that i sin enough..why add..This is one of the easiest commandment to get threw..At least i thank
 
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ok..Cud chewing animal with split hooves can be eaten(Leviticus 11:3)...Deuteronomy 14;6...cattle sheep, goat, deer, and gazelle families can be eaten...Deuteronomy 14:4-5...Cant eat camels, rabbits and pigs they are unclean..Leviticus 11:18 and Deuteronomy is where to look...

now there is another passage that says in Matthew 15:10-11..What goes into the mans mouth does not make him unclean but what comes out of a mans mouth is what makes him unclean..In the book of Leviticus chapter11:7 It is recorded that god declares the pig to be unclean for believer..then in (8) God says " You must not eat their meat or touch the their carcasses; they are unclean for you..This command is repeated in Deuteronomy 14:7-8 and Isaiah 65:2-4 and 66:17, God issues a stern warning against those who eat pork(unclean meat)..

Now in Matthew 5:17-20 Jesus is reported to have said quite the contrary as follows--" Do not think that i have come to abolish the law...Jesus then went on in verse19 saying to denounce anyone who would bread the smallest commandments and teach other,like wise... One of the commandment as we have seen is to stay away from pork and certain food(unclean) . Go and read 5 chapters later in acts of the apostles 15:29 (Paul) Six chapter later in chapter 21:25 ..Its states ther there decision to impose food regulation on believers is mentioned with out regret..At this time Paul is challenged to pove that he is in agreement with them..What remains then is that Jesus on whom peace upheld to the prohibition against pork and unclean foods...His disciples also upheld it and so must his followers! But we are not to judge anyone bout what they eat.....

Now i dont eat the pork or unclean foods..I figure that i sin enough..why add..This is one of the easiest commandment to get threw..At least i thank
That was because of sacrificial reasons. In the new testament it said not to call any animal unclean. I respect it if it's your conviction, but whats good for you isn't good for everybody.
 
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That was because of sacrificial reasons. In the new testament it said not to call any animal unclean. I respect it if it's your conviction, but whats good for you isn't good for everybody.
please dont judge...i know that full well..he asked for some info and i gave it to him....now i live by the old testament...Now the new testimet just fine..Jesus did say that he didn't come to change the law...Amen and god bless
 
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please dont judge...i know that full well..he asked for some info and i gave it to him....now i live by the old testament...Now the new testimet just fine..Jesus did say that he didn't come to change the law...Amen and god bless
i wasnt telling him what to do..that is between him and Jesus....But if some one ask for info i will give it to them...God would want me to..God bless you...
 
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i wasnt telling him what to do..that is between him and Jesus....But if some one ask for info i will give it to them...God would want me to..God bless you...
I was just saying, not judging. We are under the new cov, and Jesus said all animals are ok to eat. Idc if you eat them or not. But if you think it's gonna get you to Heaven, thats when it's wrong.
 
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i wasnt telling him what to do..that is between him and Jesus....But if some one ask for info i will give it to them...God would want me to..God bless you...
Your conviction is a conviction. Not a fact.. God could convict me to not paint my wall black, but that doesn't mean, you can't., you took offense, when I didn't even make a judgment. My advice to the person who started this thread: pray, if God convicts you of it, then listen to that conviction. You'll feel so much closer to God.
 
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I was just saying, not judging. We are under the new cov, and Jesus said all animals are ok to eat. Idc if you eat them or not. But if you think it's gonna get you to Heaven, thats when it's wrong.
totally agree with your statement...There is so much more to get into heaven...Believing is the first step..Loving thy neighbor,faith and love...Stay in repentance to stay clean of your sins...
 
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totally agree with your statement...There is so much more to get into heaven...Believing is the first step..Loving thy neighbor,faith and love...Stay in repentance to stay clean of your sins...
Yep :) glad we're BOTH saved, huh? :)
 
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Your conviction is a conviction. Not a fact.. God could convict me to not paint my wall black, but that doesn't mean, you can't., you took offense, when I didn't even make a judgment. My advice to the person who started this thread: pray, if God convicts you of it, then listen to that conviction. You'll feel so much closer to God.
the scripture came from the bible not myself....Its not my job to convict anyone..Its Gods job..not ours...I believe in living in the whole bible not just the new testament..The old and the new testament..The whole bible....Its up to others to have the connection they choose with our Blessed lord.... i agree with the last of this post...