How have I been shut down? You have quoted stuff, congratulations. You still have left my questions unanswered. I find this pointless to go on unless those are answered. Those are the key as to why mormonism is a cult! You have left them unanswered and by your silence have just agreed that it is a cult. If it is not then answer them! Your site deffinatly did not do a good job at all!
Here is the site which you cut and pasted all the questions from
http://www.towertotruth.net/Mormon/w..._questions.htm
Now here is the site I gave you to get all of the answers.
http://en.fairmormon.org/50_Answers
Show me how it didn't answer the questions you cut and pasted. I'm going to demonstrate to you just how big of a liar you are. Lets take the questions you cut and pasted from comment #12 and see what answers they gave.
"8. Can you show me in the Bible the LDS teaching that we must all stand before Joseph Smith on the Day of Judgment?"
This is a misunderstanding and caricature of LDS doctrine. There is, however, the Biblical doctrine that the apostles will help judge Israel:
Ye [the apostles] are they which have continued with me in my temptations. And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; that ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Luke 22:28-30; see also Matt. 19:28)
Luke 22: 28-30
28 Ye are they which have continued with me in my temptations.
29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
30 That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matt. 19: 28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Since the saints believe in modern apostles, they believe that those modern apostles (including Joseph) will have a role in judgment appointed to them by Jesus.
Those who condemn Joseph on these grounds must also condemn Peter and the rest of the Twelve.
Learn more here: Joseph Smith's status in LDS belief click
http://en.fairmormon.org/Joseph_Smit..._in_LDS_belief
This question was answered completely. You are lying by saying it didn't.
"7. Since there are several different contradictory accounts of Joseph Smith’s first vision, how did the LDS Church choose the correct one?"
The First Vision accounts are not contradictory. No early member of the Church claimed that Joseph changed his story, or contradicted himself. Critics of the Church have not been familiar with the data on this point.
The shortest answer is that the Saints believe the First Vision not because of textual evidence, but because of personal revelation.
The Church didn't really "choose" one of many accounts; many of the accounts we have today were in diaries, some of which were not known till recently (1832; 1835 (2); Richards, Neibaur). The 1840 (Orson Pratt) and 1842 (Orson Hyde) accounts were secondary recitals of what happened to the Prophet; the Wentworth letter and interview for the Pittsburgh paper were synopsis accounts (at best). The account which the Church uses in the Pearl of Great Price (written in 1838) was published in 1842 by Joseph Smith as part of his personal history. As new accounts were discovered they were widely published in places like BYU Studies.
For the most common claim about a contradiction, see here: Only one Personage appears in the 1832 account click
http://en.fairmormon.org/Only_one_Personage_appears_in_the_1832_account
Many questions about the First Vision are addressed here: First Vision accounts click
http://en.fairmormon.org/First_Vision_accounts
This question was answered completely. You are lying by saying it didn't.
"14. Why did God encourage Abraham & Sarah to lie in Abraham 2:24? Isn’t lying a sin according to the 10 commandments? Why did God tell Abraham and Sarah to lie when 2 Nephi 9:34 condemns liars to hell?"
In the Bible, there are accounts of God commanding or approving less than complete disclosure. These examples seem to involve the protection of the innocent from the wicked, which fits the case of Abraham and his wife nicely.
To learn more: Why would Abraham lie? click
http://en.fairmormon.org/Why_would_Abraham_lie%3F
This question was answered completely. You are lying by saying it didn't.
"15. Why does the Book of Mormon state that Jesus was born in Jerusalem (Alma 7:10) when history and the Bible state that he was born outside of Jerusalem, in Bethlehem?"
Bethlehem is in the direct area of Jerusalem, being only about seven miles apart. El Amarna letter #287 reports that "a town of the land of Jerusalem, Bit-Lahmi [Bethlehem] by name, a town belonging to the king, has gone over to the side of the people of Keilah." The Book of Mormon gets the ancient usage exactly right: the town of Bethlehem is in the "land of Jerusalem," especially from the perspective of someone writing in the Americas.
To learn more: Book of Mormon anachronisms/Jerusalem vs Bethlehem click
http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mor...m_vs_Bethlehem
This question was answered completely. You are lying by saying it didn't.
"16. If the Book of Mormon is the most correct of any book on earth, as Joseph Smith said, why does it contain over 4000 changes from the original 1830 edition?"
Christians should be careful with such attacks. If they don’t want to have a double standard, they'd have to realize that there are more differences in Biblical manuscripts of the New Testament than there are words in the New Testament! Yet, Latter-day Saints and other Christians still believe the Bible.
Most of the changes to the Book of Mormon were issues of spelling, typos, and the like. A few changes were for clarification, but the original Book of Mormon text would easily serve members and scholars.
To learn more:: Book of Mormon textual changes click
http://en.fairmormon.org/Book_of_Mormon_textual_changes
This question was answered completely. You are lying by saying it didn't.
"19. Why do you baptize for the dead when both Mosiah 3:25 and the Bible state that there is no chance of salvation after death?"
The passage in Mosiah 3:25, and any passages in the Bible which also imply there is no chance of salvation after death, are clearly addressed to those who have the opportunity to repent in this life. Those who have not, by no fault of their own, embraced the everlasting gospel in this life will have the opportunity to do so after death.
The critics are on thin ice with this attack—do they wish us to believe in a God so unjust that He would **** someone for all eternity, simply because they never had the opportunity to hear about Jesus?
Why wouldn't members of the Church baptize for the dead, when the Bible teaches this idea? (See 1 _Cor. 15:29.)
1 Cor. 15: 29
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
To learn more:Baptism for the dead
http://en.fairmormon.org/Template:BaptismDeadWiki
This question was answered completely. You are lying by saying it didn't.
"22. Why does the Book of Abraham, chapters 4 & 5, contradict Alma 11 in stating that there is more than one God?"
The term "God" may be used in more than one way. Latter-day Saints are not Nicene Trinitarians, but still believe in "one God."
To learn more: Polytheism click
http://en.fairmormon.org/Polytheism
To learn more: Trinitarians click
http://en.fairmormon.org/Godhead_and_the_Trinity
This question was answered completely. You are lying by saying it didn't.
"27. If the Book of Mormon was engraved on gold plates thousands of years ago, why does it read in perfect 1611 King James Version English?"
Because Joseph translated it as King James English.
Why do modern translations of the Greek and Hebrew Bible sound like modern English, even though the texts are hundreds or thousands of years old? Because that's how the translators translated them. It doesn't say anything about what the language is like on the original.
(French translators make totally different translations than English translators, but the manuscripts remain the same!)
Do Christians condemn the Bible as an inauthentic record because their translations sound like 21st century English? This question is a good example of how insincere these "questions" from an anti-Mormon ministry are.
This question was answered completely. You are lying by saying it didn't.
"33. How can worthy Mormon males become Gods in the afterlife when God already said that before him no God was formed, nor will there be any Gods formed after him (Isaiah 43:10)?"
Critics often misunderstand the doctrine of theosis, or human deification. Yet, it is a doctrine shared by many early Christians and much of modern Eastern Christianity (e.g., Eastern Orthodox).
However, the question asked here represents a misunderstanding of the Isaiah scripture in its ancient context when compared with the rest of the Bible.
Psalms. 82
Thus saith the Lord: Ye are gods and children of the Most High.
2 Peter 1: 4
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.
Romans 8: 9-17
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Galatians 4: 5-7
5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.
John 17: 21-23
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
To learn more: "No God beside me" click
http://en.fairmormon.org/"No_God_beside_me"
To learn more: theosis, or human deification click
http://en.fairmormon.org/Deification_of_man
This question was answered completely. You are lying by saying it didn't. There is a TON of information in the theosis, or human deification link which you obviously ignored. It is too long for me to post here.
"37. Why does the Mormon Church teach that Elohim had sexual relations with Mary to produce Jesus when both Matthew and Luke teach she was a virgin (The Seer, January, 1853, p.158)?"
The Seer was a publication that was officially disavowed by the First Presidency soon after it was published. So, this is not LDS doctrine. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes in the virgin birth of Christ, but has no doctrine about how such a miracle occurred.
"Teachers should not speculate on the manner of Christ's birth. We are very much concerned that some of our Church teachers seem to be obsessed of the idea of teaching doctrine which cannot be substantiated and making comments beyond what the Lord has actually said. You asked about the birth of the Savior. Never have I talked about sexual intercourse between Deity and the mother of the Savior." -Elder Harold B. Lee President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints
To learn more: officially disavowed click
http://en.fairmormon.org/The_Seer
To learn more: Jesus Christ's conception click
http://en.fairmormon.org/Jesus_Christ's_conception
This question was answered completely. You are lying by saying it didn't.
"38. Why does the LDS Church teach that Jesus paid for our sins in the garden of Gethsemane when 1 Peter 2:24 says it was on the cross?"
The atoning sacrifice began in the Garden of Gethsemane and culminated on the cross. We can see from the Gospels that the suffering began in the Garden and went on until Jesus said on the cross "it is finished." Neither aspect was unimportant, and both involved suffering which we cannot fathom (see D&C 19:18). The LDS Church has no quarrel with this doctrine. This hostile question seems to be an attempt to suggest that Latter-day Saints do not value or appreciate Christ's saving death on the cross, but this is false.
D&C 19: 18
18 Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink—
It may be that the Church sometimes emphasizes Gethsemane, because traditional Christianity has long focused on the cross in art, iconography, and ritual. Yet, Gethsemane must not be overlooked, where Christ "sweat...as it were great drops of blood" for the sins of all humanity (Luke 22:44; see also Alma 7:11, D&C 19:18).
Luke 22: 44
44 And being in an agony he prayed more earnestly: and his sweat was as it were great drops of blood falling down to the ground.
Alma 7: 11
11 And he shall go forth, suffering pains and afflictions and temptations of every kind; and this that the word might be fulfilled which saith he will take upon him the pains and the sicknesses of his people.
D&C 19: 18
18 Which suffering caused myself, even God, the greatest of all, to tremble because of pain, and to bleed at every pore, and to suffer both body and spirit—and would that I might not drink the bitter cup, and shrink—
To learn more: Was Jesus crucified on a cross? click
http://en.fairmormon.org/Was_Jesus_c..._on_a_cross?
This question was answered completely. You are lying by saying it didn't.
I quoted scriptures which you took out of context to justify your actions. I used them in the correct manner and they justified me. You have been without words. The only thing you can do is ignore what I said and scream "LIES" "CULT" "EVIL".
You're right, there is no point in continuing this. You're stubbornness and will to hate is not going to change. Every single question you cut and pasted from that site was answered and explained thoroughly on the site which I gave you. Do you expect me to believe you're really so incompetent you can't click on links? If you want to put your hands over your ears and scream "I'm not listening! I'm not listening!" then go right ahead. The answers are right in front of you which you have not read. If you're too lazy to look at it, then that is not my problem.
I don't know if you're simply lazy and a liar or if you honestly can not understand. I will try to give you the benefit of the doubt even though I honestly believe you know better from everything you've said.
The scriptures are open to interpretation. What you believe it is saying and what you believe it is absolutely clear on is not what someone else believes. The LDS believe your interpretation is wrong on many things. They use scriptures to support what they believe the same as you do. Have you ever even looked at what scriptures they use? Have you ever even asked them to show you why they believe what they do?
Do they go out of their way to tell you you're wrong because you don't accept their interpretation of scripture? Do they start mocking your beliefs and go outside your places of worship to tear you down? Do they dig up everything they possibly can about your faith to make it look bad? Do they spread lies about other faiths? Do they slander and give gross misrepresentations of what you believe? Do they say you believe something you don't? Do they have a single class on other faiths faults or teach about other faiths at all? No they do not. What you are doing is wrong. Can you honestly not understand this?
Perhaps you should look up what scriptures they use to support their beliefs. Perhaps if you read something from their sites you would actually know what they believe and have a correct understanding. You are welcome to your own opinion on things. If you want to believe in the trinity or that works don't matter to gain salvation that is fine. No one is stopping you. The LDS are not going to say a thing to you EVER about your beliefs. They do not look down upon you because you believe DIFFERENTLY than them. You don't have to believe in their interpretation but if you don't allow them to believe differently and you persist in going after them then that is religious intolerance, bigotry and persecution. That is something the scriptures spoke out against in numerous places as I've already pointed out.
You refuse to acknowledge anyone as being Christian unless they accept YOUR INTERPRETATION of scripture. You can believe all you want that your interpretation is what the Bible is saying but the fact that you won't even acknowledge anyone else as christian unless they accept your interpretation of the scripture is wrong. To say LDS are cultists and brainwashed because they don't believe your interpretation is wrong. That is what you are doing. That is what you and so many other teens have been taught to do. You have been taught to persecute others for believing differently than you. Can you not see a problem with this? I mean honestly can you not? I gave you the benefit of the doubt because I want to believe you seriously don't know any better.
There is two very different ways in which protestant faiths and the LDS faith promote themselves.
LDS faith promotes their belief by sharing what THEY BELIEVE.
Protestant faiths promote what they believe BY CONDEMNING EVERYONE ELSE. Their whole idea is if everyone else is wrong then they must be right.
If you want to show someone what is right then do it by example. That is what Christ did. I can tell you from experience that you will have a lot better chance of getting someone to do what is right if you do it by example and through love. If you sit there pointing out their flaws, then that isn't going to do anything. Show them what is right by example and doing it yourself. Don't be so quick to point out someone elses flaws before you consider your own.
"It is not a hatred of LDS. It is a hatred for lies. We are called to hate what God hate and love what God loves. God hates lieing, as do I." That is a quote from you. The only one who has lied is you. That is why you have been shut down.
