The clock mystery and how it relates to Unbelievers..

[Tobby17]

This is something dat was revealed to me not long ago. And i just thought i should share.I don't know if it'll make any difference, but let's just see..

Now a student has a wrist watch dat is 5 mins late, when he is school and d time is about 5 mins to 12 and dis student knows dat at 12:00 it's time for Break, What do u think he will do, he's just gonna tell d teacher or whoever dat it's already break time and dat his time is 5 mins late dat's why it still says 11:55 instead of 12:00

Now let's imagine dat a man has a wristwatch dat is also 5 mins late, and dis man is going for an interview dat starts 12:00 and his wristwatch says 11:55 but he isn't at d interview yet, What do u think about dis man, he's just going to try to force himself to believe dat his wristwatch is correct. Even though he is aware dat his time is 5 mins slower and dat he is already late for d interview, he's still going to try to force himself to believe dat his wristwatch is correct, bcoz at dat time it favours him.

What does dis mean, it means dat humans beings tend to believe what they want according to how it favours them. Now unbelievers just like d student in d school didn't want to believe his time was correct, so also Unbelievers don't want to believe in God bcoz all the rules in Christainity don't favour them, but instead they want to be like d other man, who knew dat his time was wrong but still wanted to believe it, bcoz it favoured him.. The same with unbelievers, they want to believe dat there is no God, bcoz it favours them and all their evil acts

Now let's imagine a situation, where we preach a type of christainity where u are allowed to FORNICATE, STEAL, LIE, COMMIT ADULTERY, etc. I'm very sure all UNBELIEVERS will give their life to CHRIST. Why?, bcoz it favours their acts.

I don't know if dis made sense, but i thought i should share :grin:

 

[wolfywolfs]

yer your anolgy is a stupid one and your an idiot.

you cant change the reality of time no one thinks "o if i belive its 5 to 12 then the whole world will be convinced therefroe i wont be late" and if he did that doesnt favour him hes still gona be late and he knows that. and with the classroom your telling me the classroom doesnt have a clock nor does the teacher or any other student wouldnt take long to confirm that the student is right.

now you are also saying unbelivers are all eveil and belivers are good people yer no there not many chrisitans had murdered abused kids broken the law just cos your christian doesnt stop you from commiting crimes. also im pretty sure some where it ays god forgives all if you repent nice loop hole there isnt it do something bad hey its ok just repent and all will be well.

you clearly dont know anything about the world but hey stay in your little bubble and bellive that you are right because it favours you. omg did you see what i just did there

 

[Forlorn-Hope]

Reading you're post actually caused my brain to degrade.... I agree with the above man.

 

[Tobby17]

Wolfywolf, i don't know if i'm and idiot or not, but i understand what i'm saying and u don't, so u obviously need *Help*
About d man, i didn't say the fact dat he is forcing himself to believe dat he is not late, changes d fact dat he is actually late. And neither is it going to convince anybody, u obviously didn't read well. And it's d same with Unbelievers in d sense dat, even if they want to believe there is no God, it doesn't change d fact dat there is a God.. So u are right,even if it favours him, it doesn't change d fact dat is late, but at dat time, he'll probably be hoping dat his time is correct,although it's not..

And as for d schoo, Yes even if u don't know, there are a lot of schools which have classes dat ave no wall clock and even the teachers have non. So if u don't know, u better know now. And i never mentioned anything about Unbelievers been evil, I only said they will accept Christianity if it will allow them to continue with their old acts..

 

[Forlorn-Hope]

Your saying that the mind believes what the heart wants which throws all human beliefs etc... into question including christianity you're own belief ! Murder is wrong, but only because we want it to be. Rape is wrong but only because the victims want it to be so the perpetrator gets punished. You cannot say every single human belief is based on wanting somthing until its true. And that is exactly what it looks like you're saying to me anyways.

 

[wolfywolfs]

The same with unbelievers, they want to believe dat there is no God, bcoz it favours them and all their evil acts

Now let's imagine a situation, where we preach a type of christainity where u are allowed to FORNICATE, STEAL, LIE, COMMIT ADULTERY, etc. I'm very sure all UNBELIEVERS will give their life to CHRIST. Why?, bcoz it favours their acts.

I don't know if dis made sense, but i thought i should share :grin:[/quote]

Wolfywolf, i don't know if i'm and idiot or not, but i understand what i'm saying and u don't, so u obviously need *Help*
About d man, i didn't say the fact dat he is forcing himself to believe dat he is not late, changes d fact dat he is actually late. And neither is it going to convince anybody, u obviously didn't read well. And it's d same with Unbelievers in d sense dat, even if they want to believe there is no God, it doesn't change d fact dat there is a God.. So u are right,even if it favours him, it doesn't change d fact dat is late, but at dat time, he'll probably be hoping dat his time is correct,although it's not..

. And i never mentioned anything about Unbelievers been evil, I only said they will accept Christianity if it will allow them to continue with their old acts..

The same with unbelievers, they want to believe dat there is no God, bcoz it favours them and all their evil acts

well first of you dont have proof there is a god and dont say the bible because that isnt prove all you have is your faith in that there is a god and nothing so i can easly turn around and say you just want to belive there is a good even tho there isnt one and wht defently makes you an idiot is the fact if you cant understand something than that thing must be wrong and what ever you say must be right. that is the most stupid logic a human can say hey whats the point in posting anything if all you gona say to people is "im right your wrong why because im right because i understand it." seriopusly go back to school.

all you dsaid in the other post is unbelivers do evil acts you dont say not all do evil things and not all christians do good thing you give the impression tht u belive atheist are vevil and christians arnt

 

[Tobby17]

ugh Wolfywolf????, i don't undesrstand u. You saw the words i used, Fornication, Lying and Stealing. I don't see where it stays Murder or anything like that. And if these acts are not Evil to you, they are to me and dat doesn't make me an Idiot.

As a matter of fact, I ave a diff brand of definition to the word idiot, And idiot is somebody who is old enough but still doesn't know the diff between good and evil things. Or should i say an Idiot is somebody who reads something, doesn't understand the meaning and call the person who wrote it an idiot....

Now Homosexualism is an evil act, or should i say a bad thing, Does it make Homosexuals evil or bad?. The answer is NO. Just because Unbelievers do some things which are not so good, does it mean they are all Evil?, I don't think so. And who am I to judge anyway?. And so when i write dat dey do Evil things doesn't make them Evil.. It is d act dat is Evil. So i no way called Unbelievers *EVIL*.

My point is they will find it easier to accept Christ if it could allow them continue with their acts.. Now i'm beginning to wonder who the *Idiot* is......

 

[djness]

This is something dat was revealed to me not long ago. And i just thought i should share.I don't know if it'll make any difference, but let's just see..

Now a student has a wrist watch dat is 5 mins late, when he is school and d time is about 5 mins to 12 and dis student knows dat at 12:00 it's time for Break, What do u think he will do, he's just gonna tell d teacher or whoever dat it's already break time and dat his time is 5 mins late dat's why it still says 11:55 instead of 12:00

Now let's imagine dat a man has a wristwatch dat is also 5 mins late, and dis man is going for an interview dat starts 12:00 and his wristwatch says 11:55 but he isn't at d interview yet, What do u think about dis man, he's just going to try to force himself to believe dat his wristwatch is correct. Even though he is aware dat his time is 5 mins slower and dat he is already late for d interview, he's still going to try to force himself to believe dat his wristwatch is correct, bcoz at dat time it favours him.

What does dis mean, it means dat humans beings tend to believe what they want according to how it favours them. Now unbelievers just like d student in d school didn't want to believe his time was correct, so also Unbelievers don't want to believe in God bcoz all the rules in Christainity don't favour them, but instead they want to be like d other man, who knew dat his time was wrong but still wanted to believe it, bcoz it favoured him.. The same with unbelievers, they want to believe dat there is no God, bcoz it favours them and all their evil acts

Now let's imagine a situation, where we preach a type of christainity where u are allowed to FORNICATE, STEAL, LIE, COMMIT ADULTERY, etc. I'm very sure all UNBELIEVERS will give their life to CHRIST. Why?, bcoz it favours their acts.

I don't know if dis made sense, but i thought i should share :grin:

No Saviour would have died for sins in your example religion because if all things are allowable no sacrifice would need to be made.

Also two of my favorite words:
Subjective:
1.existing in the mind; belonging to the thinking subject rather than to the object of thought ( opposed to objective).
2.pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation.
3.placing excessive emphasis on one's own moods, attitudes, opinions, etc.; unduly egocentric.

Objective:
1.being the object or goal of one's efforts or actions.
2.not influenced by personal feelings, interpretations, or prejudice; based on facts; unbiased: an objective opinion.
3.intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book.


Your examples are all examples of things which are subjective, they are all influenced by the persons perception or how they feel about the situation.

God is not influenced in any way , nor is Jesus, nor are his commands, by how you feelor how you may think differently then him.

Exodus 3:14 And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM

 

[wolfywolfs]

ugh Wolfywolf????, i don't undesrstand u. You saw the words i used, Fornication, Lying and Stealing. I don't see where it stays Murder or anything like that. And if these acts are not Evil to you, they are to me and dat doesn't make me an Idiot.

As a matter of fact, I ave a diff brand of definition to the word idiot, And idiot is somebody who is old enough but still doesn't know the diff between good and evil things. Or should i say an Idiot is somebody who reads something, doesn't understand the meaning and call the person who wrote it an idiot....

Now Homosexualism is an evil act, or should i say a bad thing, Does it make Homosexuals evil or bad?. The answer is NO. Just because Unbelievers do some things which are not so good, does it mean they are all Evil?, I don't think so. And who am I to judge anyway?. And so when i write dat dey do Evil things doesn't make them Evil.. It is d act dat is Evil. So i no way called Unbelievers *EVIL*.

My point is they will find it easier to accept Christ if it could allow them continue with their acts.. Now i'm beginning to wonder who the *Idiot* is......

i never said those acts were evil or not where are you getting that. im telling you the way you word your sentecne made it sound like and even here u havent even touch the subject you stuck on non belivers whch show you have a problem with us.

now let me ask you if lieing could save some1 life would you do it. if stealing some food to help save a child from starving to death would you do it. if killing some1 resulted in saving many lifes would you do it

and speaking about not understanding your sentences are hard to understand half the time

 

[Tobby17]

wolfywolf, I cannot say. But note something, in life we have to make some very cruel decisions sometimes.. But i just hope u get d point i'm trying to prove. And i hope we are in an agreement now . We shouldn't be using bad words on each other. If u are an unbeliever, I understand dat it's hurting u when somebody is talking about u...

 

[InitialConditions]

The same with unbelievers, they want to believe dat there is no God, bcoz it favours them and all their evil acts

Now let's imagine a situation, where we preach a type of christainity where u are allowed to FORNICATE, STEAL, LIE, COMMIT ADULTERY, etc. I'm very sure all UNBELIEVERS will give their life to CHRIST. Why?, bcoz it favours their acts.

You sicken me. You think non-believers say there is no God because they want to do bad things? BULL CRAP. They don't believe in God because they don't see evidence that there is a God. Are non-believers inherently evil? No. Are they denying God because they want to be evil? No. Are you even sure any of them are evil? No.

You have said that non-believers want to do evil things, and that accepting God would prevent them. Well, here's a news flash for you. Christians do 'evil' things like lie, insult, and hurt all the time, but we have a God. What makes our actions justifiable?

Just because they don't have God in their hearts, does not mean they want to commit adultery, steal, lie, or fornicate. In fact, if a prophet were to descend and say that this is God's will, they'd believe in God even LESS! And do you know why? Because humans aren't inherently evil. You are stereotyping about a certain group, while I stereotype the human race. If atheists were told that not believing in God means you burn forever, they'd laugh. Why? Because such a thing sounds bad to them. It doesn't mean anything to them. If an atheist were to be told that God wants them to rape people, they wouldn't, for the SAME EXACT REASON.

You assume that God is the only means to morality. That is why you have failed to earn my respect.

 

[Tobby17]

You sicken me. You think non-believers say there is no God because they want to do bad things? BULL CRAP. They don't believe in God because they don't see evidence that there is a God. Are non-believers inherently evil? No. Are they denying God because they want to be evil? No. Are you even sure any of them are evil? No.

You have said that non-believers want to do evil things, and that accepting God would prevent them. Well, here's a news flash for you. Christians do 'evil' things like lie, insult, and hurt all the time, but we have a God. What makes our actions justifiable?

Just because they don't have God in their hearts, does not mean they want to commit adultery, steal, lie, or fornicate. In fact, if a prophet were to descend and say that this is God's will, they'd believe in God even LESS! And do you know why? Because humans aren't inherently evil. You are stereotyping about a certain group, while I stereotype the human race. If atheists were told that not believing in God means you burn forever, they'd laugh. Why? Because such a thing sounds bad to them. It doesn't mean anything to them. If an atheist were to be told that God wants them to rape people, they wouldn't, for the SAME EXACT REASON.

You assume that God is the only means to morality. That is why you have failed to earn my respect.

Initial Conditions, the point behind these whole thing is to point dat people tend to believe wat dey want according to how it favours them or works for them. But it doesn't change d fact dat what they don't believe in might be true.. It doesn't necessarily have to be God.

And about unbelievers wanting not to accept God bcoz it prevents them from their acts, dat is absolutely TRUE. Maybe not all, but i've seen a lot to certify my point. Sometimes, when i talk to my friends or even my brother about Christ, they tell me they are ready to accept dat if they are still permitted to continue with some of their old acts..

And also i've seen a lot of people who give their to Christ in an altar call,only to leave the church and go back home to continue their old acts. You know why?. bcoz they cannot just cope with God and his *RULES*.

 

[InitialConditions]

I wonder. Have you ever thought about the situation from their point of view? Or have you simply acknowledged what they said, and made vague assumptions from it?

 

[Ramon]

You sicken me. You think non-believers say there is no God because they want to do bad things? BULL CRAP. They don't believe in God because they don't see evidence that there is a God. Are non-believers inherently evil? No. Are they denying God because they want to be evil? No. Are you even sure any of them are evil? No.

You have said that non-believers want to do evil things, and that accepting God would prevent them. Well, here's a news flash for you. Christians do 'evil' things like lie, insult, and hurt all the time, but we have a God. What makes our actions justifiable?

Just because they don't have God in their hearts, does not mean they want to commit adultery, steal, lie, or fornicate. In fact, if a prophet were to descend and say that this is God's will, they'd believe in God even LESS! And do you know why? Because humans aren't inherently evil. You are stereotyping about a certain group, while I stereotype the human race. If atheists were told that not believing in God means you burn forever, they'd laugh. Why? Because such a thing sounds bad to them. It doesn't mean anything to them. If an atheist were to be told that God wants them to rape people, they wouldn't, for the SAME EXACT REASON.

You assume that God is the only means to morality. That is why you have failed to earn my respect.

It sounds like you are the only means to your own morality, and therefore you get no respect with God. It is true, ALL unbelievers can't except God nor Jesus because they love evil. And THAT IS THE PROOF!! If you want it. Lay off Toby. He is right!

Just a bunch of rebellious people walking around like dead bones. Here is the proof also, if you don't repent of sin and follow Jesus you will end up in hell. Who are you hostile with? He doesn't need YOUR respect, but the respect of the Lord. You contend with God!!!

Now, all liars, sexual perverts, thieves, murders, drunks, homosexuals, blasphemers, adulterers, gossipers, back biters, and ALL MEN WHO DO EVIL WILL END UP IN HELL!!

You are not so tough. Repent!

 

[InitialConditions]

It is true, ALL unbelievers can't except God nor Jesus because they love evil. And THAT IS THE PROOF!! If you want it. Lay off Toby. He is right!

Just a bunch of rebellious people walking around like dead bones. Here is the proof also, if you don't repent of sin and follow Jesus you will end up in hell. Who are you hostile with? He doesn't need YOUR respect, but the respect of the Lord. You contend with God!!!

Now, all liars, sexual perverts, thieves, murders, drunks, homosexuals, blasphemers, adulterers, gossipers, back biters, and ALL MEN WHO DO EVIL WILL END UP IN HELL!!

You are not so tough. Repent!

You're hilarious. Have you ever gotten down from your pedestal? There are other humans out there too, you know. They think like you, act like you, and want to live a happy life like you. Don't assume that other people want to be evil.

My friend is an atheist. He is not evil. He just doesn't believe in some mystical guy sitting in a place that can't be observed. He doesn't believe because, fact of the matter is, science is dissecting the universe. You can't stop it.

"Just a bunch of rebellious people walking around like dead bones" you assume that non-believers don't live fulfilling lives? You think Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Atheists, and everyone who doesn't believe the religion YOU believe in is an empty shell? BULL CRAP, I repeat, BULL CRAP. What makes you so high and mighty?

All liars, pervs, thieves, murderers, drunks, etc. will end up in hell? I can probably name off hundreds of Christians who do just these things, and they love the Lord their God with all their Mind, Body, Heart, and Soul. So, are they sinning? Will they go to hell? Open your eyes. You look at any human on the street, and if you were to peer into their mind, they'd have the same morality as you, altogether.

Morality isn't solely open to Christians. If you had any non-christian friends, you would know that.

 

[Tobby17]

Initial Conditions. You're totally out of point. Christains who claim to love God and commit bad sins and are not repentant about it are also going to hell. So don't even bring them into d discussion. And i think i know ur problem, U're not Christain i'm sure and dat's ur problem

 

[Ramon]

You're hilarious. Have you ever gotten down from your pedestal? There are other humans out there too, you know. They think like you, act like you, and want to live a happy life like you. Don't assume that other people want to be evil.

My friend is an atheist. He is not evil. He just doesn't believe in some mystical guy sitting in a place that can't be observed. He doesn't believe because, fact of the matter is, science is dissecting the universe. You can't stop it.

"Just a bunch of rebellious people walking around like dead bones" you assume that non-believers don't live fulfilling lives? You think Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Atheists, and everyone who doesn't believe the religion YOU believe in is an empty shell? BULL CRAP, I repeat, BULL CRAP. What makes you so high and mighty?

All liars, pervs, thieves, murderers, drunks, etc. will end up in hell? I can probably name off hundreds of Christians who do just these things, and they love the Lord their God with all their Mind, Body, Heart, and Soul. So, are they sinning? Will they go to hell? Open your eyes. You look at any human on the street, and if you were to peer into their mind, they'd have the same morality as you, altogether.

Morality isn't solely open to Christians. If you had any non-christian friends, you would know that.

God has nothing to do with morality. Morality is people deciding what is evil and what is good. And as far as he is concerned all people are inherently evil. Born in sin and shaped in iniquity. So morality is evil people comparing their evil deeds with other evil people. Like a hypocrite to a sinner. Both will burn.

And NO ONE can live a fulfilling life apart from Jesus Christ. The reason you get false religions, which even some Christians obey is because they cannot stand the standards of God. They would rather play the harlot than be faithful.

And are you good? Go ahead justify yourself but you will prove a liar also. Only God is good. If you are so good, have you EVER lied? And if so, are you now good because you haven't done so lately? NO! Because the same person might also say, ''Oh I killed them so long ago, but I am good now.'' Pfft. Get real. Let's see how that stands up in court. Go to the judge and say that. JAIL!!!

But God is willing to show mercy. That is the difference between men and God. But there is absolutely no mercy for people who reject his mercy. Again. Repent!

 

[InitialConditions]

Initial Conditions. You're totally out of point. Christains who claim to love God and commit bad sins and are not repentant about it are also going to hell. So don't even bring them into d discussion. And i think i know ur problem, U're not Christain i'm sure and dat's ur problem

I'm not christian? Quite the astute observation. The only problem is that you're wrong. I'm Christian, just not a radical one.

I use Science to deal with the world, because science will help me understand it.

I use Jesus to deal with myself and others, because they help me achieve a better me.

 

[Ramon]

I'm not christian? Quite the astute observation. The only problem is that you're wrong. I'm Christian, just not a radical one.

I use Science to deal with the world, because science will help me understand it.

I use Jesus to deal with myself and others, because they help me achieve a better me.

Neither will lukewarm Christians enter heaven. They will end up in hell. Jesus is used by NO man. But he will use a man who is humble.

And what you call science is not science at all. Neither is their understanding by that way. The only science is the knowledge of God which is in the face of Jesus Christ. Not in your carnal observations.

 

[InitialConditions]

Neither will lukewarm Christians enter heaven. They will end up in hell. Jesus is used by NO man. But he will use a man who is humble.

And what you call science is not science at all. Neither is their understanding by that way. The only science is the knowledge of God which is in the face of Jesus Christ. Not in your carnal observations.

I suppose the Bible tells you how many particles make up the average human? That's science.

Science is the understanding of the universe. Whether or not you listen is your own problem.

"Lukewarm Christians" so now I have to do more than believe in Jesus? You're putting on quite a few demands.

"Jesus is not used by any man" Well, then. I guess all those generations before us go to Hell. They believe in Jesus because they want an everlasting relationship with God. That's using him.

Tell me, have you ever actually had a perspective that isn't as limited as it is now?