The clock mystery and how it relates to Unbelievers..

[Ramon]

I suppose the Bible tells you how many particles make up the average human? That's science.

Science is the understanding of the universe. Whether or not you listen is your own problem.

"Lukewarm Christians" so now I have to do more than believe in Jesus? You're putting on quite a few demands.

"Jesus is not used by any man" Well, then. I guess all those generations before us go to Hell. They believe in Jesus because they want an everlasting relationship with God. That's using him.

Tell me, have you ever actually had a perspective that isn't as limited as it is now?

Anyone that believes in Jesus also OBEYS Jesus. And God can tell you more than about particles. And THAT is science (I can count too). Neither can men understand the universe, they can simply suppose. So any man who makes a conclusion to the wisdom of God has missed the wisdom of God.

As you should also know, that anyone that is a DOER of the Word and not a hearer only is the one that is a disciple. Anyone who does not hear Jesus IS evil. Which is the condemnation, not by what men say, but by what God has already established. But you have missed the fullness. This is what was written:


Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
Joh 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
Joh 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[wolfywolfs]

Initial Conditions. You're totally out of point. Christains who claim to love God and commit bad sins and are not repentant about it are also going to hell. So don't even bring them into d discussion. And i think i know ur problem, U're not Christain i'm sure and dat's ur problem

toby are you judging him and saying hes not a christian because he doesnt think your right.... how very CHRISTIAN OF YOU

ok and another thing lets say someone ran over another guy and killed him it was an accident but he still killed someone he commited murder under man slaughter and murder is a sin are you saying that person shouldnt be forgiving.

maybe im being a little harsh and you might not be able to handle it lets say some1 lied to a person who was injured just to calm them down so they dont do anymore damage to them selves should that person also go to hell

 

[wolfywolfs]

wolfywolf, I cannot say. But note something, in life we have to make some very cruel decisions sometimes.. But i just hope u get d point i'm trying to prove. And i hope we are in an agreement now . We shouldn't be using bad words on each other. If u are an unbeliever, I understand dat it's hurting u when somebody is talking about u...

its not hurting just your stupidy annoys me and other people aswell oth chrisitans and none except for ramon but when ramon praises you thats deff not a good sign

 

[Tobby17]

Initial Condition seems to be d insultive type. Now Initial Condition, u claim to be a christain but i'm sure u don't get ur priorities right. You should go back to d closet and ask urself this question. Am i really a christain?.

Science is lovely and they tell u all sort of things. How can u say u use science to deal with d world?. What will Science tell u, that you are a descendant of Apes and there is no God, that the moon and sun are where they are and not falling bcoz of some gravitational forces holding it. CRAP!! I repeat CRAP!!!. Have u ever seen gravity?, Why then do u believe in it?.

And then u go on saying unbelievers don't believe dat there is a person sitting there and ruling us, But it makes more sense to believe dat u are from an ancestors of Apes or whatever right?.

And i think it's very stupid to say u are dealing with dis world dis world using Science, u know why?. Bcoz u can't do dat and claim to be a Christain. Dat is what science is about, dat there is NO GOD. Now u cannot mix the two together.The world was created by a very hot ball and wherever it didn't touch remained as Water, dat is what science will tell u.

So using Science to live dis world as a Christain, has no sense in it, It's like trying to mix Kerosene with Water, it can never be possible.

 

[princessbella]

Ramon king david love god but yet he did committ adultary, and murder, he genuinly repented.. Saul on the other hand sinned and made excuses.. God looks on the heart of the sinner which we all are not one of us can cliam to be sinless whether big or small sins.. Whether theyre christian or not, only God knows that persons story ,

 

[princessbella]

Why are we sitting here insulting eachother... EAch has some valid points to make, THe truth is each of us make choces about what to beelive and do in life arrording to what fits in with us, thats the truth... however beign a christian or saying your a christian doesnt make you totaly moral, nor does not beign a christian make you any more immoral than a moral christian

 

[InitialConditions]

YouTube - ‪Hate Comes to Orange County‬‏

Which of these groups people will go to hell? The Muslims, or the Christians? Or both?

 

[princessbella]

Ramon do you realise what you said will have just alienated many many non christians from God , by using that verse like that ...

 

[Ramon]

Ramon king david love god but yet he did committ adultary, and murder, he genuinly repented.. Saul on the other hand sinned and made excuses.. God looks on the heart of the sinner which we all are not one of us can cliam to be sinless whether big or small sins.. Whether theyre christian or not, only God knows that persons story ,

And as soon as David sinned God saw and punished him indeed. Yet David humbled himself before the Lord. All sinners who don't repent and follow Jesus will NOT be saved. If he finds iniquity in the heart they will end up in hell. The end of all sin is death. So humility comes and then repentance unto salvation through Jesus.

No one can justify sin. No one! Jesus does not justify sin. Jesus looks on the evil heart and give a NEW HEART.

May Jesus bless you.

 

[Tobby17]

toby are you judging him and saying hes not a christian because he doesnt think your right.... how very CHRISTIAN OF YOU

ok and another thing lets say someone ran over another guy and killed him it was an accident but he still killed someone he commited murder under man slaughter and murder is a sin are you saying that person shouldnt be forgiving.

maybe im being a little harsh and you might not be able to handle it lets say some1 lied to a person who was injured just to calm them down so they dont do anymore damage to them selves should that person also go to hell

wolfywolf, Initial Condition kept on going about d fact dat believing in God doesn't make sense. How Christain of him i guess. And wolfywolf, A lie is a lie and always remain a lie irrespective of the reason or d conditions sorrounding it. There are a lots of ways to calm people down without lying and u know it..

 

[Ramon]

Ramon do you realise what you said will have just alienated many many non christians from God , by using that verse like that ...

My friend. This was not to a non-Christian but to a person who said he is one. Jesus gives no person excuse either within or without. But if someone wants to follow Jesus, they have to obey him, not be lukewarm.

Initial Condition, I may sound hard in this, but many people before you have and are going down this road. If we want to mix our own ideas of sin and righteousness with God's they will NEVER agree.

Princessbella. What Jesus said stands. It is the person who looks or hears with evil in them that is offended.

May Jesus bless you both.

 

[InitialConditions]

wolfywolf, Initial Condition kept on going about d fact dat believing in God doesn't make sense. How Christain of him i guess. And wolfywolf, A lie is a lie and always remain a lie irrespective of the reason or d conditions sorrounding it. There are a lots of ways to calm people down without lying and u know it..

Doesn't make sense? Care to point that out?

A lie is a lie, and hate is hate. You hate all non-believers, no matter what you try to say otherwise. You want to kill radical Muslim terrorists. Forget that, you probably want to kill muslims in general. "Hate Comes to Orange County" is the best way I can emphasize how Christians can be just as "evil" as any other group.

 

[wolfywolfs]

Initial Condition seems to be d insultive type. Now Initial Condition, u claim to be a christain but i'm sure u don't get ur priorities right. You should go back to d closet and ask urself this question. Am i really a christain?.

Science is lovely and they tell u all sort of things. How can u say u use science to deal with d world?. What will Science tell u, that you are a descendant of Apes and there is no God, that the moon and sun are where they are and not falling bcoz of some gravitational forces holding it. CRAP!! I repeat CRAP!!!. Have u ever seen gravity?, Why then do u believe in it?.

And then u go on saying unbelievers don't believe dat there is a person sitting there and ruling us, But it makes more sense to believe dat u are from an ancestors of Apes or whatever right?.

And i think it's very stupid to say u are dealing with dis world dis world using Science, u know why?. Bcoz u can't do dat and claim to be a Christain. Dat is what science is about, dat there is NO GOD. Now u cannot mix the two together.The world was created by a very hot ball and wherever it didn't touch remained as Water, dat is what science will tell u.

So using Science to live dis world as a Christain, has no sense in it, It's like trying to mix Kerosene with Water, it can never be possible.

wow just wow you really really are a baka. u know how we know there a thing called gravity its because we can do test to prove that theres a force that acts upon objects oh you made my day im haveing laughing fits. and guess what we cant test god the only way would be to witness something supernatural happening and i havent heard any stories of amputes haveing there limbs regrown from there bodies or premently brain damaged people suddenly not brain damaged.

 

[Tobby17]

Why are we sitting here insulting eachother... EAch has some valid points to make, THe truth is each of us make choces about what to beelive and do in life arrording to what fits in with us, thats the truth... however beign a christian or saying your a christian doesnt make you totaly moral, nor does not beign a christian make you any more immoral than a moral christian

tanx a lot for understanding what i'm trying to say. God bless u. This was not only supposed to be related to unbelievers, it's for everyone

 

[InitialConditions]

This Teen board is twisted. So closeminded. To think this would happen RIGHT AFTER I made a thread called "perspective". If you want to, take the discussion there.

 

[Ramon]

wow just wow you really really are a baka. u know how we know there a thing called gravity its because we can do test to prove that theres a force that acts upon objects oh you made my day im haveing laughing fits. and guess what we cant test god the only way would be to witness something supernatural happening and i havent heard any stories of amputes haveing there limbs regrown from there bodies or premently brain damaged people suddenly not brain damaged.

You have not heard because you have not sought my friend. Jesus can and HAS very well done this. But I wonder if you would believe if you saw it, or if you would find some scientific rational to not believe, which is the way many people are going. May Jesus bless you.

 

[InitialConditions]

And why, do you guys feel the need to scour the Christian community, and decide who is and is not True Christians? Convert people, don't condemn them. You say I'm not a Christian, and yet nothing is accomplished this way. Only more hatred.

Your job isn't to find the odd ones out in a community. Your job is to make sure as many people reach heaven as possible.

 

[Ramon]

This Teen board is twisted. So closeminded. To think this would happen RIGHT AFTER I made a thread called "perspective". If you want to, take the discussion there.

My friend if the perspective is coming from your own eyes then it will only blind you. The greater perspective is the eyes of God, which try the HEART. God sees past words and ritual. He sees the heart. If your heart is off your mouth will utter it.

 

[wolfywolfs]

wolfywolf, Initial Condition kept on going about d fact dat believing in God doesn't make sense. How Christain of him i guess. And wolfywolf, A lie is a lie and always remain a lie irrespective of the reason or d conditions sorrounding it. There are a lots of ways to calm people down without lying and u know it..

so your abousltly perfect then your sin free.

wat if the situation required u to calm a person down before they bleed out u have to options lie and tell them there fine and going to be ok or punch them until there knocked out now those are porberly 2 most realistic option in an emergency

 

[InitialConditions]

My friend if the perspective is coming from your own eyes then it will only blind you. The greater perspective is the eyes of God, which try the HEART. God sees past words and ritual. He sees the heart. If your heart is off your mouth will utter it.

And you know for a fact your perspective is from the eyes of God?