Why is it that God only chooses to save some people?

[lil_christian]

Please paste into the thread, acts chapter 2 verse 44.

Also, Ecclesiastes chapter 1 verse 2.

What's that I hear? A broken record?

 

[lil_christian]

Btw...to the future thing
Matthew 6:34
“So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

 

[jimmydiggs]

No, but it's up to me to act rightly right now, in the present.

Calvinism says the same thing.


Can you freely will to change the future?

 

[jimmydiggs]

What's that I hear? A broken record?

Scripture sounds like a broken record?

 

[lil_christian]

Calvinism says the same thing.

how can it say that when it's against...nevermind. How it confuses me so.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Btw...to the future thing
Matthew 6:34
“So do not worry about tomorrow; for tomorrow will care for itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Should we look forward to the return of Christ?

 

[jimmydiggs]

how can it say that when it's against...nevermind.

Calvinism does not say you don't choose anything. You keep pushing that, and it's not Calvinism.

How it confuses me so.

If you don't understand it at all, why argue against it? You could be argueing against truth and you don't even know it because you don't understand it. Not a wise idea.

 

[lil_christian]

Should we look forward to the return of Christ?

Well, I don't see why we shouldn't...but that doesn't mean we should have our heads stuck in the future.

 

[jimmydiggs]

You guys complicate salvation to the point where, how do you even know if you're saved? Who truly knows who is who?

The bible has the answer to that. We would need another thread for Assurance.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Well, I don't see why we shouldn't...but that doesn't mean we should have our heads stuck in the future.

Might wanna re-examine this statement a bit.

 

[lil_christian]

The bible was written by 40 different authors over a time span of about 1500 years. Who are we to say that their views are correct?

Inconsistency the sign of a failed argument.

Those people were specifically called out to write those by God. Of course they're correct.

The writings of Calvin weren't.

 

[lil_christian]

I'm so out of here. All I'm hearing is the same thing over and over. And it's getting annoying.

 

[lil_christian]

If i were an unbeliever, and somebody comes to me and tells me that all these calvinism thing about how God had decided to have mercy on me and throw my brother to hell just because he wishes to..

Needless to say much, that person won't leave my house alive.. .

Hi everyone, missed you all ..

HAHA I've missed you too, Tobby XD

 

[Sarah88]

Neither. We've gone over this before. Why don't you remember? It's the U in TULIP. Unconditional Election, God does not save anyone based on any qualities a person has, but rather it is according to his good will and purpose.

Yes, I've heard that over and over and it still doesn't answer my question.

It says, predestined. It says, that it is according to his will, for the praise of his glory.

It's talking about a group of people (us, we) that choose to follow God by obeying Him (Hebrews 5:8-9) and having a relationship with him (Galatians 3:26-27). God calls, and those that choose to believe in Him were "predestined (or foreordained) to be adopted as His sons" (Ephesians 1:5).

God knows what we will decide even before we do it. He knows who will reject Him and who will accept Him from the beginning of the world. "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love" (Eph. 1:4). "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied" (1 Peter 1:2)

There is a type of predestination but not the one where God decides who goes to hell and to heaven. That's our choice. Those that choose God have been foreordained to become His children.

 

[lil_christian]

Might wanna re-examine this statement a bit.

Well what DO you want me to say? This is how I feel...

 

[lil_christian]

Yes, I've heard that over and over and it still doesn't answer my question.



It's talking about a group of people (us, we) that choose to follow God by obeying Him (Hebrews 5:8-9) and having a relationship with him (Galatians 3:26-27). God calls, and those that choose to believe in Him were "predestined (or foreordained) to be adopted as His sons" (Ephesians 1:5).

God knows what we will decide even before we do it. He knows who will reject Him and who will accept Him from the beginning of the world. "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love" (Eph. 1:4). "Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied" (1 Peter 1:2)

There is a type of predestination but not the one where God decides who goes to hell and to heaven. That's our choice. Those that choose God have been foreordained to become His children.

Would it be wrong of me to say thank you?

 

[Sarah88]

Would it be wrong of me to say thank you?

Maybe for the Calvin camp. You're welcome, sis!

 

[lil_christian]

Inconsistency the sign of a failed argument.

Then why do you bother arguing with it?

Well, I guess you can do so, but since you say I have a different Gospel, I won't be able to join.

I'd exclude that. But starting next year I'll be doing something my church runs and it'll go through the whole Bible and I'll find the truth for myself.

Aren't you takeing verses you think best supports your point? 2 peter 3:9, 1 tim 2:4? I've been asking to take the bible as a whole, and let it interpret itself, but you and others keep dissecting verses from their context to derive what you want out of them.

I looked up the context of 2 Peter 3:9, and 1 Timothy 2:4. 2 Peter 3:9 I'm not totally sure of the context. BUT I am sure of the context 1 Timothy 2:4. I did NOT take that out of context. Just because it doesn't support yours or someone else's point doesn't mean it's taken out of context.

 

[Tobby17]

Not a very good attitude to have. Probably a display of Total Depravity as well.

As far as what God does or doesn't do. It's not my place to challenge him. He is God, I am not. I seek to serve.

Be Thou my Vision, O Lord of my heart;
Naught be all else to me, save that Thou art.
Thou my best Thought, by day or by night,
Waking or sleeping, Thy presence my light.

Be Thou my Wisdom, and Thou my true Word;
I ever with Thee and Thou with me, Lord;
Thou my great Father, I Thy true son;
Thou in me dwelling, and I with Thee one.

Be Thou my battle Shield, Sword for the fight;
Be Thou my Dignity, Thou my Delight;
Thou my soul’s Shelter, Thou my high Tower:
Raise Thou me heavenward, O Power of my power.

Riches I heed not, nor man’s empty praise,
Thou mine Inheritance, now and always:
Thou and Thou only, first in my heart,
High King of Heaven, my Treasure Thou art.

High King of Heaven, my victory won,
May I reach Heaven’s joys, O bright Heaven’s Sun!
Heart of my own heart, whatever befall,
Still be my Vision, O Ruler of all.​

For starters, I'm NOT Totally Depraved..

I'd do it because i'll just think the preacher is a crazy man..

I doubt you missed me. I'm just another one of those "evil god worshipping calvinsts".

I'm glad to see you interacting in the forums again though. Finals should be coming up soon for ya' there in deutchland. Prepared for that?

You're right, didn't miss you..

Prepared? Not Sure..

 

[mymastertheking43]

If it be objected that God must give every man an opportunity to be saved, we reply that the outward call does give every man who hears it an opportunity to be saved. The message is: 'Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved.'"