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HA. Funny you mention that. I'm doing an Old Testament college course. In Numbers right now.
I don't believe in a "feel-better Bible," but I do believe in a God full of infinite love, and took the time to individually create every single one of us.
There are places in the Bible that encourage, and there are also places that knock us down a few pegs. There's a time and a place for everything. And the Bible has it down perfectly.
I can agree with the underlined for the most-part. No matter what happens in our lives, God is on our side. And He's right there. Things WILL happen in our lives that we don't understand why it happened.
I don't know why my grandmother broke her leg in the middle of the night, the night I spent the night to assist them with my grandpa's doctor appointment (she can't walk, and my grandpa has become weaker than what he was. Mom needed to do some substitute teaching, and since I was the only one available because I'm homeschooled, there I was spending the night. And there I was sound asleep when Grandpa called for me saying that my grandma fell in the bathroom. She broke her femur. She almost died because of diabetes complications.). But I DO know that God knows what I'm going through, and that it's HIS strength, not mine, that's carrying me through it all. And God has shown Himself to me throughout events in my life.
Proverbs 8:17
“I love those who love me; And those who diligently seek me will find me.
“I love those who love me; And those who diligently seek me will find me.
S
Not only that lil, but also if God did predestine everyone to heaven or hell then there surely would be people we love who are predestined to go to hell. It doesn't matter the prayers we may say for them or anything because they're going where God has already decided right? That's so sad.
And I never really saw the answers to the questions we posted awhile back. If God does predestine people, what characteristics does He look for in the people He elects? Or does He pick randomly?
And I never really saw the answers to the questions we posted awhile back. If God does predestine people, what characteristics does He look for in the people He elects? Or does He pick randomly?
From what I've gathered, He picks randomly....
But another thing is, Calvinism isn't even logical. It doesn't go along with cause and effect. No cause...only effect, which is the salvation. Now it might not be worth much to most of you out there, but I'm one of those kind of people who is practical. Now I know that God won't ALWAYS make sense. But He sure is a whole lot more logical than a whole lot of other things out there.
And if Jesus paid the price for some, why didn't He pay the price for ALL? That's like, taking your groceries to the checkout and only paying for some of them. It just doesn't happen.
But another thing is, Calvinism isn't even logical. It doesn't go along with cause and effect. No cause...only effect, which is the salvation. Now it might not be worth much to most of you out there, but I'm one of those kind of people who is practical. Now I know that God won't ALWAYS make sense. But He sure is a whole lot more logical than a whole lot of other things out there.
And if Jesus paid the price for some, why didn't He pay the price for ALL? That's like, taking your groceries to the checkout and only paying for some of them. It just doesn't happen.
S
So, God extends grace to only some? What I meant with my question is what makes God choose one person over the other? If we all are sinners and fall short of His glory, then what makes Him choose you or me over someone else?
Yes, exactly. The Bible never says that Jesus only died for some people. And even if it is true that all does not always mean all, it is also true that in many verses it means exactly what it means.
Yes, exactly. The Bible never says that Jesus only died for some people. And even if it is true that all does not always mean all, it is also true that in many verses it means exactly what it means.
I like Isaiah 53
3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. 4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6 All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
And as for His generation, who considered
That He was cut off out of the land of the living
For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
9 His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
10 But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
11 As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
As He will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great,
And He will divide the booty with the strong;
Because He poured out Himself to death,
And was numbered with the transgressors;
Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
And interceded for the transgressors.
Everything was done for us on the cross. Halleluiah!
3 He was despised and forsaken of men,
A man of sorrows and acquainted with grief;
And like one from whom men hide their face
He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. 4 Surely our griefs He Himself bore,
And our sorrows He carried;
Yet we ourselves esteemed Him stricken,
Smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But He was pierced through for our transgressions,
He was crushed for our iniquities;
The chastening for our well-being fell upon Him,
And by His scourging we are healed.
6 All of us like sheep have gone astray,
Each of us has turned to his own way;
But the LORD has caused the iniquity of us all
To fall on Him.
7 He was oppressed and He was afflicted,
Yet He did not open His mouth;
Like a lamb that is led to slaughter,
And like a sheep that is silent before its shearers,
So He did not open His mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment He was taken away;
And as for His generation, who considered
That He was cut off out of the land of the living
For the transgression of my people, to whom the stroke was due?
9 His grave was assigned with wicked men,
Yet He was with a rich man in His death,
Because He had done no violence,
Nor was there any deceit in His mouth.
10 But the LORD was pleased
To crush Him, putting Him to grief;
If He would render Himself as a guilt offering,
He will see His offspring,
He will prolong His days,
And the good pleasure of the LORD will prosper in His hand.
11 As a result of the anguish of His soul,
He will see it and be satisfied;
By His knowledge the Righteous One,
My Servant, will justify the many,
As He will bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore, I will allot Him a portion with the great,
And He will divide the booty with the strong;
Because He poured out Himself to death,
And was numbered with the transgressors;
Yet He Himself bore the sin of many,
And interceded for the transgressors.
Everything was done for us on the cross. Halleluiah!
J
Two-way street bud.
I'm kind of slow right now, I'll get to as much as I can.
Neither. We've gone over this before. Why don't you remember? It's the U in TULIP. Unconditional Election, God does not save anyone based on any qualities a person has, but rather it is according to his good will and purpose.
It says, predestined. It says, that it is according to his will, for the praise of his glory.
I'm kind of slow right now, I'll get to as much as I can.
Neither. We've gone over this before. Why don't you remember? It's the U in TULIP. Unconditional Election, God does not save anyone based on any qualities a person has, but rather it is according to his good will and purpose.
It says, predestined. It says, that it is according to his will, for the praise of his glory.