Masturbation - fine, porn - bad

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Adrianv125

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1 Corinthians 2:14 (New King James Version)
14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Greekpimp, and anyone else who is calling the bible false, or foolish. This is why you don't understand it and that is why you curse it.
 
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Renewedheart

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But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:28
 
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MrSmiley

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But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. Matthew 5:28

So wait, does that mean it's the woman's fault too? o_O Is a woman adulterous for being looked at? Because it says "committed adultery WITH HER" so technically, she's doing it too. Sorry but that sounds kind of odd. I'd get it if it was worded differently but that passage sort of blames the woman too even if she's not inviting the attention...
 
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Adrianv125

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MrSmiley, every person has responsibility for their own actions and reactions. You can choose to react in the wrong or right way to anything, and that is independent of anything or anyone else. Period.
 
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TheJesusFreak

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I have still not been answered.

What do you say to those who.........

1. Do it so they dont have uncontrollable dreams (you know what I mean)

2. Do it so their minds arent filled with bad thoughts throughout the days.

3. Do it without thinking of anything bad?
 
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Maddog

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TheJesusFreak said:
I have still not been answered.

What do you say to those who.........

1. Do it so they dont have uncontrollable dreams (you know what I mean)
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Sin requires volition. No consent, means no sin. I honestly don't know that anyone would condemn wet dreams.

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2. Do it so their minds arent filled with bad thoughts throughout the days.
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In my experience, lust feeds lust. Masturbation in order to avoid lust really doesn't work, it only exacerbates the problem, and leaves one in danger of forming a continual habit and getting stuck in vicious cycle. If someone struggles with lust, the LAST thing they want to do is give in to their desires.

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3. Do it without thinking of anything bad?
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Well, I'm of the view that the very act of masturbation is intrinsically disordered and shouldn't be done, with or without sexual fantasies.
 
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juliet84

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This subject seems to be a never-ending topic for those who always try to find a way to make it okay, probably because of the lack of knowledge of God's words and a defense mechanism to not want to feel guilty doing it. Some of you claim that masturbation is normal. I have provided a Scripture (in my earlier post) that shows what normal today doesnt meet the standard of God. Do not deny that when you do it, you are fulfilling your physical desire above all. Some of you may make health reason as an excuse, but the fulfilling of desires come first. So consider these other verses:

"For the world offers only a craving for physical pleasure, a craving for everything we see, and pride in our achievements and possessions. These are not from the Father, but are from this world. And this world is fading away, along with everything that people crave. But anyone who does what pleases God will live forever" (1 John 2: 16-17).

The evidence is clear. There is still time for repentance.
 
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Ramon

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A lot of you people fail to see the Truth of the matter. If any one of you have never masturbated then your post is worthy to be even read, but if you have, reconsider why you say what you do.

The issue is this, nothing outside of a person can defile the person, but what comes OUT of the person defiles him. So now, you say keep the purification laws of Moses on this one subject, but have you kept ALL OTHERS TOO??? If this one law is worthy of praise then shouldn't all of them then? Shouldn't you also offer the blood of goats and lambs on an altar for a sweet incense to God?

I tell you again, those things that come out of the man issue forth out of the heart, and he is defiled by it. Yes, lust does come out of the heart, and the Lord knows whether they are doing it out of lust. If you have even read the law it says, that IF PERHAPS IT CHANCES HIM THROUGH THE NIGHT!! That he ought to wash himself, so his whole body can be preserved blameless. But do you think water can cleanse his mind from evil thoughts? Only Jesus can do that.

Lets not be so silly with this. Even some children have those dreams without even knowing what it is. And will you say they sinned in this? NO!! But for you all who are supposed to be Christians, who say you know Jesus, why do you justify something that is done out of your own lack of self-control? Don't you know the Spirit of God knows what is in you? And how can you mock against scripture? So by the fruit of a man you will know them.

May Jesus bless you.
 
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ashleyisafreak

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Matthew 5- look at someone with lust or have lustful thoughts, you're basically committing adultery. It would be incredibly difficult to touch yourself like that and not think of someone. So, it's wrong. As is porn. I think those that try to justify it with "it's natural" and "it's human" are just looking for a way to do it themselves. Don't try to find reasons why it's allowed, you'll take things out of context. But if you try to find reasons why it's not allowed, you'll find a mess of verses like the ones many people have stated previous to this post.
 
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TheJesusFreak

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Maddog said:
Sin requires volition. No consent, means no sin. I honestly don't know that anyone would condemn wet dreams.


In my experience, lust feeds lust. Masturbation in order to avoid lust really doesn't work, it only exacerbates the problem, and leaves one in danger of forming a continual habit and getting stuck in vicious cycle. If someone struggles with lust, the LAST thing they want to do is give in to their desires.


Well, I'm of the view that the very act of masturbation is intrinsically disordered and shouldn't be done, with or without sexual fantasies.
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(Not saying it that the dreams are a sin. I am saying some people CAN control their thoughts while doing it and dont like not having control over their dreams)
 
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juliet84

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Ramon said:
If any one of you have never masturbated then your post is worthy to be even read, but if you have, reconsider why you say what you do.
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My posts, as of some others’ are here to fill in knowledge, and to guide those who lack knowledge of the words of God. I do not have to answer whether I have done it in my life nor anyone here has to answer that but if I dare to stand up against it, what does it mean then? We are also (and should) constantly changing for the better to please God. One or more post in here told us about how he was addicted way back then, but has changed, and know better now. This is what is important to take note and learnt from. Scriptures say that it is not okay. I, as some people here wrote in to send this message to those who haven’t received it. Any posts are worthy to be read and learnt from if they are not against Scriptures.
 
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TheJesusFreak

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Fine I am going to come out and say it. Even though it will change everyone's veiw of me.

I dont do it because i like it or anything I do it because I have had a bad dream (wet dream) before and it feels so ugly and discusting. I also do it because everyone our age is figuring out who they are and I dont want to go down to wrong paths because my untamed hormones are raging (ie. I know it is a sin to become gay so I despise it with all of my heart and I dont want to be one of those sleezy skirt chasers). For me it also helps keeps the hormones out of my mind and actually keeps me calm and not a hot hormonal mess all of the time. You may say it is impossible to not think lustful thoughts while doing it BUT I push my evil and lustful thoughts back (even though if they ever pop out they are about a future wife) and I think over and over in my head "Lord purify me" over and over.

I dont do it to feel good or anything otherwise I wouldnt be doing it. I do it because I feel it DOES help me to stay pure and not become a hot hormonal mess.
 
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Maddog

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TheJesusFreak said:
Fine I am going to come out and say it. Even though it will change everyone's veiw of me.

I dont do it because i like it or anything I do it because I have had a bad dream (wet dream) before and it feels so ugly and discusting. I also do it because everyone our age is figuring out who they are and I dont want to go down to wrong paths because my untamed hormones are raging (ie. I know it is a sin to become gay so I despise it with all of my heart and I dont want to be one of those sleezy skirt chasers). For me it also helps keeps the hormones out of my mind and actually keeps me calm and not a hot hormonal mess all of the time. You may say it is impossible to not think lustful thoughts while doing it BUT I push my evil and lustful thoughts back (even though if they ever pop out they are about a future wife) and I think over and over in my head "Lord purify me" over and over.

I dont do it to feel good or anything otherwise I wouldnt be doing it. I do it because I feel it DOES help me to stay pure and not become a hot hormonal mess.
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I believe you, lad. I understand your motives, and as far as motives go, they seem honourable. However, I have to stand by my convictions and say again that masturbation, even without lustful thoughts is intrinsically disordered. In essence, even though you are trying to combat evil, you are utilising evil means to do so, and I'm afraid that the end doesn't justify the means.

I would urge you to quit while you can. Take up a sport, go for a run, read the Bible or St Aquinas' Summa Theologica to channel your hormones into something more productive. In the long run, sexual stimulation is a backwards step in the struggle against lust. And I'm speaking from experience; when I was about your age I had the same idea as you: 'masturbation is fine as long as I keep my thoughts clean'. Now I'm 24, never even kissed a girl, but still a sexual addict.
 
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TheJesusFreak

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I just cant find the logic of it being bad after lustful thoughts are removed. It prevents the lustful thoughts that I hate.
 
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Maddog

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TheJesusFreak said:
I just cant find the logic of it being bad after lustful thoughts are removed. It prevents the lustful thoughts that I hate.
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I have articulated it previously in this thread. It has to do with Natural Law and God's ordained purpose for sex.

If you're unconvinced, consult St Aquinas. He is a much greater theologian than I.
 
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Ramon

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juliet84 said:
My posts, as of some others’ are here to fill in knowledge, and to guide those who lack knowledge of the words of God. I do not have to answer whether I have done it in my life nor anyone here has to answer that but if I dare to stand up against it, what does it mean then? We are also (and should) constantly changing for the better to please God. One or more post in here told us about how he was addicted way back then, but has changed, and know better now. This is what is important to take note and learnt from. Scriptures say that it is not okay. I, as some people here wrote in to send this message to those who haven’t received it. Any posts are worthy to be read and learnt from if they are not against Scriptures.
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I understand you my friend. I do. But what is sin is what comes out of a person's heart. And God judges that. But the issue is if someone is not entirely pure themselves in weaknesses, we have no right to turn that into condemnation. We should rather restore them with love. What I mean is, it is hypocrisy to say THOU SHALT NOT, and we ourselves have laws we have not kept. This is not an excuse to permit anything against what God has said, but again, even if this law is kept, it will not bring salvation. It is Jesus who cleanses a persons heart, to make them have new desires. You all are right though, any lustful person will not enter the kingdom. May Jesus bless you.
 
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