Abortion and birth controll right or wrong

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Are Abortion or Birth controll ok or wrong

  • Abortion is wrong in all cases

    Votes: 84 53.2%

  • Abortion is ok only to save mother from death or similar reason

    Votes: 42 26.6%

  • Same as above but also ok if rape or similar violece have happened.

    Votes: 26 16.5%

  • Birth controll is wrong

    Votes: 25 15.8%

  • Birth controll is ok but not in all forms

    Votes: 47 29.7%

  • All forms of birth controll is ok

    Votes: 36 22.8%
  • Total voters
    158
Test_F_i_2_Luv

Test_F_i_2_Luv

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blue_ladybug said:
wormwood, it's okay, and thank you. :) It's easy to say don't have sex, or use protection, but sometimes it's not possible, as in cases of rape. Rapists don't usually stop and put on a condom first, nor allow their victim to take their pill. Alot of unwanted pregnancies occur with rape, and therein lies the problem. Some women want nothing to do with it because they don't want a daily reminder of their rape, and others feel that it's not the baby's fault and end up keeping it or give it up for adoption. Ultimately it's between God and the woman.
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You "liked" my other post(above), but I was disagreeing with you on a portion of your thoughts. Your other post, which I'm quoting in this post, suggests again that "a lot" of abortions are due to rape.

Rape/incest/mother's life account for only a small amount of abortions. 97% of abortion have nothing to do with any of the extreme cases.

So, when abortion-rights advocates bring up the rare cases, I first want to know what percentage of abortions they think are due to the extreme cases. After that, I want to know what they want to do in the 97% of cases that have nothing to do with rape/incest/mother's life.

I also want to know why so many abortion-rights advocates justify abortion-on-demand when 97% of the time the abortion has nothing to do with rape/incest/mother's life.
 
blue_ladybug

blue_ladybug

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Test_F_i_2_Luv said:

You "liked" my other post(above), but I was disagreeing with you on a portion of your thoughts. Your other post, which I'm quoting in this post, suggests again that "a lot" of abortions are due to rape.

Rape/incest/mother's life account for only a small amount of abortions. 97% of abortion have nothing to do with any of the extreme cases.

So, when abortion-rights advocates bring up the rare cases, I first want to know what percentage of abortions they think are due to the extreme cases. After that, I want to know what they want to do in the 97% of cases that have nothing to do with rape/incest/mother's life.

I also want to know why so many abortion-rights advocates justify abortion-on-demand when 97% of the time the abortion has nothing to do with rape/incest/mother's life.
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When I say "alot", I mean several. How many abortions approximately are due to rape/incest, I do not know. I would imagine quite a few rape victims who get pregnant due to their assault probably would either 1.) not want it at all because it's a daily reminder of that horror; 2.) keep it and raise it themselves because they know it's not the baby's fault, or 3.) have it and give it up for adoption so it can possibly be given a better life than the mother can provide on her own.

Women have abortions for a plethora of reasons: can't afford a kid, don't want a kid, maybe their homeless, bf/hubby doesn't want kids, etc etc.. The list goes on and on. BTW, I'm not an abortion-rights advocate. I'm against it. :)

When you say having an abortion because of the mother's life, do you mean she may have a condition that would kill her if she had the baby? I think SOME women would value their baby's life over their own, and die so that baby could live. After all, didn't Jesus say there's no nobler thing than to lay down one's own life for another? :)
 
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I think the bible is pretty clear on this point, no sex before marriage, and sex is for propagation of children not for pleasure. So abstinence is the only option if you don't want children.
 
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hopesprings

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Defrost514 said:
I think the bible is pretty clear on this point, no sex before marriage, and sex is for propagation of children not for pleasure. So abstinence is the only option if you don't want children.
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Where does the bible say sex isn't for pleasure?
 
Test_F_i_2_Luv

Test_F_i_2_Luv

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blue_ladybug said:
When I say "alot", I mean several. How many abortions approximately are due to rape/incest, I do not know. I would imagine quite a few rape victims who get pregnant due to their assault probably would either 1.) not want it at all because it's a daily reminder of that horror; 2.) keep it and raise it themselves because they know it's not the baby's fault, or 3.) have it and give it up for adoption so it can possibly be given a better life than the mother can provide on her own.

Women have abortions for a plethora of reasons: can't afford a kid, don't want a kid, maybe their homeless, bf/hubby doesn't want kids, etc etc.. The list goes on and on. BTW, I'm not an abortion-rights advocate. I'm against it. :)

When you say having an abortion because of the mother's life, do you mean she may have a condition that would kill her if she had the baby? I think SOME women would value their baby's life over their own, and die so that baby could live. After all, didn't Jesus say there's no nobler thing than to lay down one's own life for another? :)
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When I say "alot", I mean several. How many abortions approximately are due to rape/incest, I do not know. Around 3,000 unborn humans die each day due to abortion. 2% are due to rape/incest. Tack on another 1% for the mother's life being in jeopardy.

it Unborn humans are he's and she's. When the gender is unknown, the default gender has been "he". Some will write "they", but that word is plural. Objects and things are "its". :)

Women have abortions for a plethora of reasons: can't afford a kid, don't want a kid, maybe their homeless, bf/hubby doesn't want kids, etc etc.. The list goes on and on. True...and these are the situations/reasons/explanations for 97% of abortions that are done.

When you say having an abortion because of the mother's life, do you mean she may have a condition that would kill her if she had the baby? Partly. The rare situations where the mother's life is actually threatened. In some instances, unless the unborn human is removed, both will die(e.g. - ectopic pregnancies).

I think SOME women would value their baby's life over their own, and die so that baby could live. After all, didn't Jesus say there's no nobler thing than to lay down one's own life for another? These are very rare cases. The pro-life movement is about saving as many lives as possible - both the lives of mothers and the unborn. I don't know of any pro-lifers that will DEMAND that a woman lay down her life if her chances of surviving a pregnancy are next to zero. However, these are the situations that abortion-rights advocates will exploit to advance abortion-on-demand. :(

To sum up what I'm getting at: 97% of abortions having nothing to do with the "difficult" cases. Only 3% of abortions are due to rape/incest/mother's life at risk. 97% are elective...bad timing and/or unwanted by parent, uncooperative mate and/or family(no support), lack of money, wrong gender, etc.

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I'm pretty sure in Genesis, God was referring to Adam and Eve to multiply. They had to start somewhere in order to have nations, didn't they?

And sex is for pleasure, otherwise people wouldn't engage in it and *have the chance to create life to begin with.


As far as birth control, I don't completely understand as to how people view that to be wrong. Would that mean that you'd keep having children or just withhold sex to prevent that all together?
 
blue_ladybug

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Defrost514 said:
Gen 1:28
Fruitful and multiply

Not, enjoy your genitals.
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​I'm fairly sure that God meant for us to enjoy sex. Otherwise, if it was unpleasureable, we wouldn't wanna have sex anymore and therefore would NOT be fruitful. lol :) p.s : if you dont want kids, well, thats what condoms are for.. just saying.. :)
 
Test_F_i_2_Luv

Test_F_i_2_Luv

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JustAnotherUser said:
I'm pretty sure in Genesis, God was referring to Adam and Eve to multiply. They had to start somewhere in order to have nations, didn't they?

And sex is for pleasure, otherwise people wouldn't engage in it and *have the chance to create life to begin with.

As far as birth control, I don't completely understand as to how people view that to be wrong. Would that mean that you'd keep having children or just withhold sex to prevent that all together?
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The objection to birth control is that the pills contain chemicals which make the lining of the womb/uterus hostile for a zygote/blastocyst to implant.

The key is to keep the sperm from the egg so a new human isn't created. Then there will be no zygote or blastocyst that can be deprived of nutrients(and starved to death) in the chemically altered womb.

Some denominations are very critical of birth control pills. In my view, so long as no early stage human(e.g. - zygote, blastocyst) is threatened, a woman using birth control is not an issue although I'm not going to suggest I'm a staunch supporter of birth control, either.

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blue_ladybug said:
​I'm fairly sure that God meant for us to enjoy sex. Otherwise, if it was unpleasureable, we wouldn't wanna have sex anymore and therefore would NOT be fruitful. lol :) p.s : if you dont want kids, well, thats what condoms are for.. just saying.. :)
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Well when you wind up in hell, go ahead and tell the devil you were fairly sure what God meant.
 
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I'm pretty sure abstinence outside of wanting kids is not what God intended. Especially when you consider sex one time doesnt necessary result in pregnancy. And if you are trying to say people go to hell for not having children then thats just laughable.
 
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Test_F_i_2_Luv said:

Some denominations are very critical of birth control pills. In my view, so long as no early stage human(e.g. - zygote, blastocyst) is threatened, a woman using birth control is not an issue although I'm not going to suggest I'm a staunch supporter of birth control, either.

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The problem is that women who are using the pill or other chemical birth control can become pregnant but the effects of the birth control then cause the death of this early-stage human being. This makes most chemical birth control what is called "abortifacient".
 
blue_ladybug

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Defrost514 said:
Well when you wind up in hell, go ahead and tell the devil you were fairly sure what God meant.
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why would I end up in hell? I haven't had sex in over 2 decades and when I WAS having sex with my partner, I never enjoyed it. Sex doesn't float my boat, honey.. just sayin'.. Like I said in my previous reply though, if God intended sex to be unpleasurable, no one would want to do it because it wouldn't be fun, thus there would not be so many children today. So don't sit here and tell me that I'M going to hell! I KNOW where I'm going, and it sure aint to hell!! lmbo
 
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sveinen

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killing of unborn is very, very sick, very, very astray.
 
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Defrost514 said:
Well when you wind up in hell, go ahead and tell the devil you were fairly sure what God meant.
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Hmm... i'm not sure if you're just a really judgmental and self righteous d-bag or a troll. Either way i'll ensure i don't have to stumble across anything else you write.
 
Test_F_i_2_Luv

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sealabeag said:
The problem is that women who are using the pill or other chemical birth control can become pregnant but the effects of the birth control then cause the death of this early-stage human being. This makes most chemical birth control what is called "abortifacient".
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Yes, they are abortifacients if they destroy an early stage human being.

Women who are on birth control and who are sexually active need to be aware that there is potential that they may be aborting early stage humans because of how birth control pills affect the reproductive system.
 
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