Casting Out Sickness | Sickness and Demons

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Kyouken01

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Ugly, Paul would have dealt with this without asking God to take it away, as he understood the authority he had in Christ, if this was something like a demon he could simply cast out.

Some types of thorn in the flesh somewhere (eyes, sides, etc.) are mentioned in the Old Testament.
Numbers 33:55, Joshua 23:13, and Judges 2:3 mention thorns in the flesh.

In the instance that Numbers 33:55 describes, the thorn is described as people who will harass (or vex in the KJV, I believe) Moses.

In the instance that Joshua 23:13 describes, the thorns are described again as people who will be snares and traps to the people whom Joshua is addressing.

In the instance that Judges 2:3 describes, the thorn is again described as people, in which their gods will be a snare to the children of Israel.

While the last reference does not directly relate to persecution, the thorns are described as people. I understand that Paul says the thorn is a messenger of Satan to buffet him. I also understand that wherever the Word is preached, persecution is bound to come, and that we are not redeemed from it. Would it be fair to say that this thorn is more persecution geared seeing as how the term is used in OT scriptures? Paul did get a lot of persecution (which, I understand that people without thorns get persecuted too, don't get me wrong).

P.S. I'm not sure if there are any other references in the OT concerning a thorn in the flesh, but I knew those.
 
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hislastwalk

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Kyouken01 said:
Ugly, Paul would have dealt with this without asking God to take it away, as he understood the authority he had in Christ, if this was something like a demon he could simply cast out.

Some types of thorn in the flesh somewhere (eyes, sides, etc.) are mentioned in the Old Testament.
Numbers 33:55, Joshua 23:13, and Judges 2:3 mention thorns in the flesh.

In the instance that Numbers 33:55 describes, the thorn is described as people who will harass (or vex in the KJV, I believe) Moses.

In the instance that Joshua 23:13 describes, the thorns are described again as people who will be snares and traps to the people whom Joshua is addressing.

In the instance that Judges 2:3 describes, the thorn is again described as people, in which their gods will be a snare to the children of Israel.

While the last reference does not directly relate to persecution, the thorns are described as people. I understand that Paul says the thorn is a messenger of Satan to buffet him. I also understand that wherever the Word is preached, persecution is bound to come, and that we are not redeemed from it. Would it be fair to say that this thorn is more persecution geared seeing as how the term is used in OT scriptures? Paul did get a lot of persecution (which, I understand that people without thorns get persecuted too, don't get me wrong).

P.S. I'm not sure if there are any other references in the OT concerning a thorn in the flesh, but I knew those.
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Well Paul said his thorn was a "Messenger from Satan"
 
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hislastwalk said:
Yes, we're suppose to.
If I get sick I have Jesus.
Would youb like the verse that mentions the same power living inside of us?
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have you been able to raise the dead yet? Have you made the blind see? The lame walk?

Since you are such a great healer I would assume you do these things.
 
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OH, and a few questions... When you heal someone how long does it take for them to be completely healed?

Why are only select people healed, and not others?

What is your purpose of healing someone?

Do you heal someone in private or before a crowd?

When you heal someone can there be a medical explanation or can you prove it to be an actual miracle?
 
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violakat

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7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
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Since there is a small argument over what Paul's thorn was, looking at the passage, if you read later on, it does say he will boast in his infirmities. It sounds like from this that Paul did suffer from some physical ailment. I'm not saying this is absolute proof, but that it sounds like it was.
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HisLastWalk, Since I don't know you all that well, nor have I ever seen you heal someone in person, I will not say one way or another of whether you are or are not a faith healer. I do know, that with all gifts, there is a right way and a wrong way to use them. Crosswalk hit upon it earlier, prayer. We are to pray to God, before we do anything, to make sure we are in the clear. And yes, you are right that healing does involve the other person's faith, to some extent. We see that as we see the woman with the blood issue being healed. Sometimes, however, it's not the person's faith that heals him, but that God chooses to heal them, such as the lame man who was brought to Jesus through the roof.

One thing I will caution you on though is, make sure you are not boasting of your gifts, but always be sure to let Jesus be the one glorified in you, and not you, yourself. I say this, because you are young, and I do not want you to go through the humiliation others go through when they allow pride to take control.
 
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Crossfire

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Yeah, I know what you mean...I also believe that some people who do have the gift of healing either do not use it or do not know that they have it, if you know what I mean. But I do not exactly think that everyone is given the gift to heal. Just like not everyone has the gift of prophecy, or tongues, or anything else.
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Very true. It is entirely possible for one to be saved and not operate in the gifts. The gifts are given for ministerial purposes to those whom God wills, for His purposes. From my own personal experiences, the gifts are most active in those who are very evangelistic, who will go wherever and do whatever it is that God has called them to do, be it on the streets of L.A., the slums of NYC, the deserts of Africa or the jungles of east Asia.

I think we can all agree that we all have encountered Christians who, even though they possess much zeal concerning the things of the Lord, they lack the stature and maturity to use the gifts in the manner which God desires them to be used.
 
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Crossfire

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violakat said:
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ’s sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong.
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Since there is a small argument over what Paul's thorn was, looking at the passage, if you read later on, it does say he will boast in his infirmities. It sounds like from this that Paul did suffer from some physical ailment. I'm not saying this is absolute proof, but that it sounds like it was.
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HisLastWalk, Since I don't know you all that well, nor have I ever seen you heal someone in person, I will not say one way or another of whether you are or are not a faith healer. I do know, that with all gifts, there is a right way and a wrong way to use them. Crosswalk hit upon it earlier, prayer. We are to pray to God, before we do anything, to make sure we are in the clear. And yes, you are right that healing does involve the other person's faith, to some extent. We see that as we see the woman with the blood issue being healed. Sometimes, however, it's not the person's faith that heals him, but that God chooses to heal them, such as the lame man who was brought to Jesus through the roof.

One thing I will caution you on though is, make sure you are not boasting of your gifts, but always be sure to let Jesus be the one glorified in you, and not you, yourself. I say this, because you are young, and I do not want you to go through the humiliation others go through when they allow pride to take control.
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What most don't realize was that Paul traveled a lot by foot. He was imprisoned several times in bronze age dungeons, he was stoned & left for dead, shipwrecked on a couple of occasions and he when he did stay in one area for a while he actually worked to keep himself up. Paul had a very rough, physical life and was not a young when his ministry started.
 
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Crossfire

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Elizabeth619 said:
OH, and a few questions... When you heal someone how long does it take for them to be completely healed?

Why are only select people healed, and not others?

What is your purpose of healing someone?

Do you heal someone in private or before a crowd?

When you heal someone can there be a medical explanation or can you prove it to be an actual miracle?
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He's 17 years old. Let the boy graduate high school .... *lol*

However, I know of several cases of healing that can proven by medical records but even if I were to post them you would never belief because you don't know these people like I do. You would simply ignore them because it could not be proven sufficiently online.
 
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hislastwalk

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OH, and a few questions... When you heal someone how long does it take for them to be completely healed? I don't stop until their healed.

Why are only select people healed, and not others? Faith.

What is your purpose of healing someone?
Because it's what we were told to do.

Do you heal someone in private or before a crowd? Either one.

When you heal someone can there be a medical explanation or can you prove it to be an actual miracle? Are you asking for proof?
 
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hislastwalk

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He's 17 years old. Let the boy graduate high school .... *lol*

However, I know of several cases of healing that can proven by medical records but even if I were to post them you would never belief because you don't know these people like I do. You would simply ignore them because it could not be proven sufficiently online.
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lol. I AM graduated o.o
 
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hislastwalk

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Elizabeth619 said:
have you been able to raise the dead yet? Have you made the blind see? The lame walk?

Since you are such a great healer I would assume you do these things.
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I haven't had the chance.

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hislastwalk said:
OH, and a few questions... When you heal someone how long does it take for them to be completely healed? I don't stop until their healed.

Why are only select people healed, and not others? Faith.

What is your purpose of healing someone?
Because it's what we were told to do.

Do you heal someone in private or before a crowd? Either one.

When you heal someone can there be a medical explanation or can you prove it to be an actual miracle? Are you asking for proof?
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When Jesus and the apostles healed the sick it happened instantly. Not over a period of time.

People were healed in biblical times not because of their faith, but to verify Jesus was the son of God. Miracles were a form of validation.

I also do not need proof of a miracle. I was just asking if there could be a medical explanation to someone you healed.
 
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hislastwalk

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Elizabeth619 said:
When Jesus and the apostles healed the sick it happened instantly. Not over a period of time.

People were healed in biblical times not because of their faith, but to verify Jesus was the son of God. Miracles were a form of validation.

I also do not need proof of a miracle. I was just asking if there could be a medical explanation to someone you healed.
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Miracles are a form of validatian, & I seen to many to go against the original post.
 
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hislastwalk

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Elizabeth619 said:
Then why do the faithful need validation?
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So the faithful should stay sick? By no means.
If I woulda stayed sick, I woulda died from cancer in 5th grade. I walk in divine health. Why does it seem like this offends you?
 
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hislastwalk said:
So the faithful should stay sick? By no means.
If I woulda stayed sick, I woulda died from cancer in 5th grade. I walk in divine health. Why does it seem like this offends you?
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Not at all offended.
But since you say the faithful dont stay sick then why has my mother been blind since the age of 7? She is a very Godly woman.

Why did my sister who was a Christian die last year due to health issues? If she wasn't faithful then you are stating she is in Hell.

I am faithful. Why do I suffer from certain ailments?
Why did my father die because of a drunk driver when he was a Godly man? Why wasn't he raised from the dead? Because he wasn't faithful? Is he in Hell too?

Am I destined to hell because I am not of perfect health? Since when is the physical body the important part of a spiritual life?
 
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kayem77

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I don't believe anyone has insinuated that sickness is caused by a lack of faith. All sickness is a direct result of living in a fallen world. There are numerous factors as to why someone could be sick, many of which are no fault of their own.

Personally, I have seen many people healed instantly. I have also encountered many who never receive divine healing despite praying for it on numerous occasions. I can't tell you why some people are healed while some are not. Of course, I have my suspicions but they are simply that, suspicions, thus they are not worth mentioning. :)
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I didn't say God isn't able to heal, but the OP actually did imply that healing is ALWAYS God's will, and if it doesn't occur, it's because of lack of faith, which I consider dangerous teaching.
 
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kayem77

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hislastwalk said:
Remember, in the OT Jesus' blood hadn't been spilled yet /;
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God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. :) We see examples of people's illnesses used for his glory in the OT, and we see the same nowadays. Btw I would have expected you to respond to the other points in my post.....
 
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Lamby

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God is the same yesterday, today and forever. He is the Lord that doesn't change. And by Jesus' stripes (his crucifixion) we are healed (Is 53:4).

Jesus paid the price for our healing. It's certainly never Gods desire for us to be unwell, although God can 'turn all things for good'.

Here's something my pastor said recently:

13 Reasons Christians get sick....

- Ignorance of the Word
- Sin the the believer's life
- Hereditary (some demons think family lines are their territory until you tell them otherwise!)
- Some people enjoy being sick
- Bad diet
- Lack of sleep and rest
- Psychosomatic problems (repressed stress, etc)
- Partaking of communion unworthily (i.e: blaming God for things He's not responsible for)
- Unforgiveness
- Disobedience and rebellion (hearing God's Word and not doing it!)
- Whispering, murmuring, complaining and gossiping
- Fear of sickness (Job 3.25)
- Negative confession (Mark 11.23)

I'd like to also suggest that two spiritual gifts (from 1 Cor 12:8-10) the gifts of Healing and the Working of Miracles are being talked about interchangeably here. Probably because healing can be a working of miracles. But it can also be a process (not instant) Mark 16:18 "they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” doesn't outline any specific time frame. It is a work of the Holy Spirit either way!
 
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hislastwalk

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kayem77 said:
I didn't say God isn't able to heal, but the OP actually did imply that healing is ALWAYS God's will, and if it doesn't occur, it's because of lack of faith, which I consider dangerous teaching.
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Sickness is a spiritual attack. It IS always his will to heal. Do you understand what ur saying? God wants you sick, but Jesus wants you healthy... God didn't send God to die to save you from God. Some people just can't own up to their faith, &I know people big in healing who wear glasses..they're not afraid to admit they didn't have faith. The OP was what GOD told me to write, so..
 
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