emergency contraception warning

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cuddlyalmond

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hi everyone. i'm addressing an issue which is important to me and that i feel others should know. to understand how the morning after pill works you must understand how pregnancy works. progesterone is a sex hormone that women create naturally when pregnant and is required in order to keep the baby alive. if a high dose is taken before you're pregnant, it either prevents ovulation, fertilisation or alters the lining of the womb so the fertilised egg can't attach. it does not cause an abortion. if natural progesterone is taken as a contraceptive but fails, it actually promotes and strengthens the pregnancy. emergency contraception such as plan b (america) and levonelle (united kingdom) contains a high dose of this hormone called levonorgestrel. this hormone is a synthetic progesterone which is similar to natural progesterone but is much stronger and potentially harmful reportedly causing miscarriages and birth defects. the website states "If the tablet fails, studies have shown no harmful effects of Levonelle® One Step on the developing baby. Levonelle® One Step will not work once a fertilised egg has attached itself to the womb lining, so if you know you are already pregnant you should not use it." despite this claim the fda (US food and drug administraion) has catagorised the drug as catagory x. "Animal studies have not been reported. The are no controlled data in human pregnancy. Levonorgestrel is considered contraindicated during pregnancy." the reason i believe there is little research in this field is because they don't want you to know the possible harmful effects. the company that supplies these drugs make millions and therefore want to keep it on the market. another problem is that it is now freely available, girls are self medicating and taking multiple doses in a close time frame, not knowing they could potentially be harming the baby. the alternative is natural progesterone. the drug companies can't patent and sell a natural substance which is why they created this awful synthetic progesterone. it's advertised on the internet, in the news and in the newspapers and is a lie to control the pregnancy rate with no regard for the babies welfare. i encourage anyone reading this to tell friends and family about natural progesterone tablets as an alternative. the dosages are different so ask a doctor about how much to take. i am in no way encouraging people to have unprotected sex as i am a christian myself, but it stands as an inevitability that people make mistakes. to save all the babies out there please pass this information on. i also ask of you to pray for the drug company to stop selling this drug as it is dangerous any questions are welcome. god bless.
 

SonOfAdam

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If you cause a fertalised egg to not attach, that kills it. Once it is fertalised, it's a baby.
Who caused the death of that baby? The one who took the pill.
 
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That's like saying you're a killer if you do artificial insemination. B/c they fertilize the eggs THEN place them in the woman. No, it's not a life AT ALL when it's just a fertilized egg not attached to anything.
 

SonOfAdam

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I agree with the first part of that. And for that reason most Christian couples will not use that.
There are entire businesses set up to provide homes for those unused eggs. And it is considered adoption.

Genetically it is life. Morally it is murder to kill them.
 
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When you do artificial insemination you can't control which egg will connect or not. and you can't control when an egg connects to your uterus or not naturally. Calling that murder is VERY dangerous. Next you'll call masturbators murderers...
 
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cuddlyalmond

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once an egg attaches to the womb it grows into a baby. a fertilised egg is nothing more than genetic information ready to be implanted and grow. besides these formalities the subject is not debating when is contraception abortion, it's about this synthetic progesterone claiming not to harm developing babies when it does! even if you think the morning after pill is abortion, still advise friends and loved ones that is causes birth defects and spontanious miscarriages. they may not have the same views as you or i, but if they're going to make the decision to take it or not, let it be an informed decision and that they know the truth.
 
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Oh I'm not at all arguing that Plan B doesn't pose some risks to yourself or the baby, but if a woman takes Plan B, she clearly doesn't want the baby. now, it's not an "abortion pill" but at least a small percentage of woman who take plan b and have the pill fail on them will attempt to get a real abortion, which is even more dangerous for the woman's health (not like it'll kill her, but it could make her infertile.) Most woman would probably, at that point, choose to take Plan B than to have an abortion and risk 1. their ability to have a baby in the future and 2. an actual fetus.
 

SonOfAdam

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The only reason an abortion is even morally acceptable is if the mothers life is at stake. If she chooses to put her life at risk for the sake of conveniance by aborting her child, I have no sympathy for her.
The harsh reality is it's her choice to put her life on the line to kill her child.

Anything that kills the fertalised egg is the same in my view. It is life no matter how you look at it, just different age.
 
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Not according to science or the law.
 
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cuddlyalmond

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there are two types of hormonal contraception. progestins and anti progestins. anti progestines have a much higher effectivness rate and can be used much longer than 120 hours after sex because the anti progestin dissolves the progesterone lining of the womb. this actually causes an abortion, and therefore would be used by people who don't care about abortion. my point is if girls are taking progestins with a lower effectiveness rate and shorter use after sex then there is a high likelyhood of them not wanting an abortion.
 

SonOfAdam

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Science does not in any way say that a fertalised egg is not life. In fact, by its own definitions it is.

And the law is created by those promoting the lowest common denominator. Prostitution is legal here, smacking is illegal, hitler legalised euthinasia and then eventually genocide...

I really don't think using man's law as a proof is at all a good moral decider.
 
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You may feel that way but Christians are commanded to obey the law so obviously the law meant something to God.
 

SonOfAdam

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I'm not saying we should ignore the law. In fact, in this instance I am saying the law does not go far enough to restrict us.
God commanded us to obey the laws where they do not conflict with His laws. And that His laws were greater than the man made ones. So, if God says not to kill, and the human law says to kill if we want to.... well it's obvious which one God intends us to obey.
 
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Jesus didn't say "a fertilized egg that isn't attached to the uterus is alive."

Are you saying you know something the rest of us don't because... wow.
 

SonOfAdam

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Jesus didn't say it wasn't life either... so, to use your terms, are you saying you know something we don't?

If it can grow in a test tube, then it is life.
 
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next_step

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Not according to science or the law.
Both science and law cannot possibly say anything about what we ought to do. Science merely describes the state of affairs while law (especially when it comes to abortion) mirrors social acceptance. Therefore you are guilty of two logical fallacies. (naturalistic fallacy + argumentum ad populum).
 
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Are you arguing that a fertilized egg, that hasn't attached to the uterus and cannot begin life at all, is "alive" ?
 
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next_step

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Are you arguing that a fertilized egg, that hasn't attached to the uterus and cannot begin life at all, is "alive" ?
What is it then? Does a change of location make a difference? Biologically speaking it is indeed life. What kind of life if its not human life? It has the chromosome set that is human-specific. Life + human= human life.

Defenders of the position that a fertilized egg is not a living human person must resort to an arbitrary philosophy.