I agree with your post, though I don't really find it rare to see, it really does depend where you live though..I remember a family vacation to Florida in sixth grade, we went to Key West. That was the first time i'd ever seen a gay couple that I could tell was gay without them saying it, probably because it was the first "flamboyant" gay couple I had ever seen at that point.
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Then you're still left with the same problems:
1) Would you marry a brother and sister if one of the couple was sterile and couldn't have children (or they just didn't want to have children)? What if they want to adopt a child?
2) Using this logic, how can you permit people with genetic problems to marry, considering the fact that they have an exponentially higher rate of birth defects or hereditary problems?
3) If it's "moral issues", then you may be justifying the opinion that some people hold. For instance, how is the statement "It's immoral for brother and sister to marry" any more valid than "It's immoral for two men to marry"? What makes one statement true and not the other?
If you're going to bring human rights into it, then an incestuous relation has the human right to marry as well, seeing as how the Declaration doesn't provide any specifics about such matters. (Actually, it says that the State should protect marriage and the family, but then you get into interpretation etc.)
1) Would you marry a brother and sister if one of the couple was sterile and couldn't have children (or they just didn't want to have children)? What if they want to adopt a child?
2) Using this logic, how can you permit people with genetic problems to marry, considering the fact that they have an exponentially higher rate of birth defects or hereditary problems?
3) If it's "moral issues", then you may be justifying the opinion that some people hold. For instance, how is the statement "It's immoral for brother and sister to marry" any more valid than "It's immoral for two men to marry"? What makes one statement true and not the other?
If you're going to bring human rights into it, then an incestuous relation has the human right to marry as well, seeing as how the Declaration doesn't provide any specifics about such matters. (Actually, it says that the State should protect marriage and the family, but then you get into interpretation etc.)
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let us review your reasoning...
#1 your saying and #2 that what about a Sterile Brother marrying his Sister and then why Marry with Hereditary problems etc.
First of all Marrying anyone but the opposite Sex is an Abomination unto God. Brothers marrying Sisters is simply Incest, and another Abomination unto God. If we Marry someone with Genetic defects, how many people who know othis about the other before they Marry? You using Hypothetical in both cases.
Can you see the following situation whereby a couple is discussing their future together prior to Marriage
, and the Future Bride tells her future Husband.;
"Billy, I need to tell you something; about my Family. We have a History of Genetic problems, and it involves the 4th Generation in our Family, with the Female side. Every Fourth Generation, One of The Females gives Birth to a Frog-like Male.
This started about 200 years ago, and This Man creature is half-human and Half Frog. There is a GENETIC problem involving this so please be forewarned before we Marry. I am the Fourth Generation since the last time this happened.
So we must be honest with ourselves, and I do not want you to Unaware of this.....ribbit.....ribbit..
UNow how many Brothers and Sisters do you think Actually Marry, compared to Lesbians and Gay Guys who either Marry or want to Marry? This is like comparing Apples and Oranges.
Here is scripture to back up what God says about Homosexuals OR Inter marriAge between Close Family Members.
Leviticus 18 v 22-23 "Thou shalt not lie with MANKIND as with WOMANKIND; it is ABOMINATION."
Verse 23; Neither shalt thou lie with ANY BEAST to defile thyself therewith; Neither shall any Woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion"
Leviticus 18 verses 1-21 deals with Having Carnal relationship with any immediate family...please read it all.
#1 your saying and #2 that what about a Sterile Brother marrying his Sister and then why Marry with Hereditary problems etc.
First of all Marrying anyone but the opposite Sex is an Abomination unto God. Brothers marrying Sisters is simply Incest, and another Abomination unto God. If we Marry someone with Genetic defects, how many people who know othis about the other before they Marry? You using Hypothetical in both cases.
Can you see the following situation whereby a couple is discussing their future together prior to Marriage
, and the Future Bride tells her future Husband.;
"Billy, I need to tell you something; about my Family. We have a History of Genetic problems, and it involves the 4th Generation in our Family, with the Female side. Every Fourth Generation, One of The Females gives Birth to a Frog-like Male.
This started about 200 years ago, and This Man creature is half-human and Half Frog. There is a GENETIC problem involving this so please be forewarned before we Marry. I am the Fourth Generation since the last time this happened.
So we must be honest with ourselves, and I do not want you to Unaware of this.....ribbit.....ribbit..
UNow how many Brothers and Sisters do you think Actually Marry, compared to Lesbians and Gay Guys who either Marry or want to Marry? This is like comparing Apples and Oranges.
Here is scripture to back up what God says about Homosexuals OR Inter marriAge between Close Family Members.
Leviticus 18 v 22-23 "Thou shalt not lie with MANKIND as with WOMANKIND; it is ABOMINATION."
Verse 23; Neither shalt thou lie with ANY BEAST to defile thyself therewith; Neither shall any Woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion"
Leviticus 18 verses 1-21 deals with Having Carnal relationship with any immediate family...please read it all.
Please note that I was simply arguing a point, I don't necessarily believe what I say. I'm simply stating that the arguments applying to the legalisation of homosexual marriage apply equally to other concepts, and that the slippery slope actually holds its ground in this case.
"If we Marry someone with Genetic defects, how many people who know othis about the other before they Marry?"
Actually yes, you would, or more accurately the authorities would. It was only a few decades ago that forced sterilization of disabled people was government policy in many North American jurisdictions. It wouldn't be "Billy I need to tell you something", it would be the authorities telling you you're not allowed to be married.
If the authorities forbid brother and sister to be married purely on the basis of genetic defects, then does this argument not also apply to people with serious hereditary diseases?
On the other hand, if there is a "moral" aspect (a lot of people think incestuous marriage is wrong!) then what is wrong with applying supposedly "irrational" or "bigoted" moral values (found in the Bible) and prohibiting homosexual marriage? How can you prohibit one but not the other?
"UNow how many Brothers and Sisters do you think Actually Marry, compared to Lesbians and Gay Guys who either Marry or want to Marry? This is like comparing Apples and Oranges."
Irrelevant. Would you deny someone their rights simply because they are in the minority?
"Here is scripture to back up what God says about Homosexuals OR Inter marriAge between Close Family Members."
I usually try to avoid using these verses, because someone who argues in favour of homosexual marriage typically doesn't believe that these are true and disregards scripture, treating them as the hateful ramblings of an ancient society.
Again, I'm simply making these arguments to prove one or two points. Aside from the slippery slope, my objective is to try and make certain supporters of homosexual marriage see that they too have a built-in reaction to certain concepts. If it is supposedly "bigoted" or "backwards" to oppose gay marriage, then it is equally bigoted and backwards to oppose an incestuous marriage.
"If we Marry someone with Genetic defects, how many people who know othis about the other before they Marry?"
Actually yes, you would, or more accurately the authorities would. It was only a few decades ago that forced sterilization of disabled people was government policy in many North American jurisdictions. It wouldn't be "Billy I need to tell you something", it would be the authorities telling you you're not allowed to be married.
If the authorities forbid brother and sister to be married purely on the basis of genetic defects, then does this argument not also apply to people with serious hereditary diseases?
On the other hand, if there is a "moral" aspect (a lot of people think incestuous marriage is wrong!) then what is wrong with applying supposedly "irrational" or "bigoted" moral values (found in the Bible) and prohibiting homosexual marriage? How can you prohibit one but not the other?
"UNow how many Brothers and Sisters do you think Actually Marry, compared to Lesbians and Gay Guys who either Marry or want to Marry? This is like comparing Apples and Oranges."
Irrelevant. Would you deny someone their rights simply because they are in the minority?
"Here is scripture to back up what God says about Homosexuals OR Inter marriAge between Close Family Members."
I usually try to avoid using these verses, because someone who argues in favour of homosexual marriage typically doesn't believe that these are true and disregards scripture, treating them as the hateful ramblings of an ancient society.
Again, I'm simply making these arguments to prove one or two points. Aside from the slippery slope, my objective is to try and make certain supporters of homosexual marriage see that they too have a built-in reaction to certain concepts. If it is supposedly "bigoted" or "backwards" to oppose gay marriage, then it is equally bigoted and backwards to oppose an incestuous marriage.
