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How many on here knew The Judge in California who overturned Prop 8 is a Homosexual himself? This is like letting a Fox guard The Hen house...
He should have disqualified himself from making a Judgement on this. This is the World we live in Ladies And Gentlemen, a World Satan has Spiritual control over, That is why in these closing days left we had better Pray and move close to God.
Remember what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis Chapter 19)?
How many on here knew The Judge in California who overturned Prop 8 is a Homosexual himself? This is like letting a Fox guard The Hen house...
He should have disqualified himself from making a Judgement on this. This is the World we live in Ladies And Gentlemen, a World Satan has Spiritual control over, That is why in these closing days left we had better Pray and move close to God.
Remember what God did to Sodom and Gomorrah (Genesis Chapter 19)?
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The fact of The Matter is this; you cannot truly be Christian, and support any lifestyle that is sinful, and an Abomination unto God. All sin and ungodly behavior must be Repented of or you will go to The Lake of Fire, no its, ands or buts. If you are not a Homosexual but support their lifestyle., you are then telling us you agree that sin is ok... Is it OK?
Romans 1 verses 26-32
"For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their WOMEN did change the natural use into that WHICH IS AGAINST NATURE.
And likewise also the MEN leaving the NATURAL USE of the woman, burned in their lust for one another.; men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompense of THEIR ERROR which was due.
And even as they DID NOT like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND ,-to do those things which are not convienent;
Being filled with all Unrighteousness, Fornication, wickedness, maliciousness ;full of envy, murder, DEBATE, DECEIT, malignity, whisperers.
Backbiters, HATERS of GOD, spiteful, PROUD, boasters, inventors of EVIL THINGS, disobedient to parents.
WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING, covenant breakers, WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION, implacable, unmerciful;
Who knowing The Judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, NOT ONLY DOTH SAME, BUT HAVE PLEASURE IN THEM THAT DO THEM." Amen.
Romans 1 verses 26-32
"For this cause God gave them up to vile affections: for even their WOMEN did change the natural use into that WHICH IS AGAINST NATURE.
And likewise also the MEN leaving the NATURAL USE of the woman, burned in their lust for one another.; men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompense of THEIR ERROR which was due.
And even as they DID NOT like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a REPROBATE MIND ,-to do those things which are not convienent;
Being filled with all Unrighteousness, Fornication, wickedness, maliciousness ;full of envy, murder, DEBATE, DECEIT, malignity, whisperers.
Backbiters, HATERS of GOD, spiteful, PROUD, boasters, inventors of EVIL THINGS, disobedient to parents.
WITHOUT UNDERSTANDING, covenant breakers, WITHOUT NATURAL AFFECTION, implacable, unmerciful;
Who knowing The Judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, NOT ONLY DOTH SAME, BUT HAVE PLEASURE IN THEM THAT DO THEM." Amen.
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The young people on this site;
You cannot support any ungodly behavior or participate in Any Sin that is Ungodly and be pleasing to God.
When some day we all must stand in The Judgement Day when this life is over...There will be no compromises, or Plea bargains, or " But I Thought....". Or second chance remember that. God is not willing any should Perish, but that ALL come into Repentance.
One last thing is this; I Corinthians 6 v 9 " Know you not that the Unrighteous shall not inherit the the Kingdom of God?
BE NOT DECEIVED, neither Fornicators, nor Idolaters, nor Adulterers, NOR EFFEMINATE, nor abusers with themselves with Mankind....(verse10)...Shall inherit the Kingdom of God. Amen.
You cannot support any ungodly behavior or participate in Any Sin that is Ungodly and be pleasing to God.
When some day we all must stand in The Judgement Day when this life is over...There will be no compromises, or Plea bargains, or " But I Thought....". Or second chance remember that. God is not willing any should Perish, but that ALL come into Repentance.
One last thing is this; I Corinthians 6 v 9 " Know you not that the Unrighteous shall not inherit the the Kingdom of God?
BE NOT DECEIVED, neither Fornicators, nor Idolaters, nor Adulterers, NOR EFFEMINATE, nor abusers with themselves with Mankind....(verse10)...Shall inherit the Kingdom of God. Amen.
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Civil unions and domestic partnerships are available in some U.S states, they just wanted "the real thing."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_union#United_States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_union#United_States
They (should) get it from a logical process, actually.
One of the arguments frequently used in support of homosexual marriage (or decriminalization of homosexuality, depending on what era you're from) is that the state and/or religion has no business interfering in the relations between two consenting adults. Or perhaps the argument that marriage shouldn't be bound by gender but instead should be permitted between any two people who love each other.
Now if I was a campaigner for the legalisation of incestuous relations and marriages, what would I say?
- The state and/or religion has no business interfering in the relations between two consenting adults.
- Marriage should be permitted between any two people who love each other.
Some people might say that the concept of a "slippery slope" is a fallacy, but in the Common Law system (used by Canada/US/UK etc.) it really isn't.
If the two arguments above are accepted by a judge in a higher court and become precedent, then they will apply to subsequent arguments - incest, for example. I haven't actually read the ruling in question (it probably doesn't involve either of them), but the point still stands; approve one argument and it will be applied to other concepts by other groups. It would be hard to go to the whole marrying animals thing, but polygamy and incest? No problem.
A real life example, while not dealing with incest, is going on right now:
Tories prepared to stand ground on polygamy: documents
It's how Common Law systems work. It's not irrational or "idiotic" at all.
So I suppose we should sterilize anyone who is likely to produce a genetically inferior child, e.g. people with hereditary genetic disorders/disability. I won't go any further at the risk of violating Godwin's Law.
To me, the argument "inceset can cause birth defects" indicates that the primary purpose of marriage is to conceive and raise a child (please tell me if I'm getting it wrong?). Now by that logic, homosexual marriage shouldn't be allowed at all, since such marriages don't produce any children.
You could argue that it provides more allowances for adoption, in vitro fertilization etc., but those could apply equally to an incestuous marriage.
are you saying you want to continue the Eugenics movement?? Eeek.
No, I'm saying, if brother and sister had married wanted kids, had them, they could come out wrong,
gay guys can't make babies with gay guys, therefore no birth defect.
Why would the only purpose of marriage be babies? I don't think that at all.
No, I'm saying, if brother and sister had married wanted kids, had them, they could come out wrong,
gay guys can't make babies with gay guys, therefore no birth defect.
Why would the only purpose of marriage be babies? I don't think that at all.
- No, I'm saying that your arguments applying to incestuous marriage apply equally to the concept of Eugenics. If we don't allow brothers and sisters to marry because of potential genetic defects, why permit disabled people to marry?
- If homosexuals are allowed to marry and not have children, then similar incestuous relationships should also be able to have these privileges.
- What if a brother and sister want to get married, but don't want to have children? If raising children isn't the point of marriage, then they don't need to have children with each other. What rational barrier stands in their way?
As for your first point... I sometimes argue for things whether I believe them or not. Some of the things I'm saying here are purely for the sake of argument. It may seem like it, but I'm not a Nazi. Or at least I try to not be one. *Glory to Deutschland!*... Argh!
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Suppose my sister was infertile (no chance of pregnancy, therefore no chance of birth defects) and we decided we were in love and wanted to marry. Do you believe that we should be allowed to?
Two consenting adults, no one gets hurt. If the queers can do it we should be allowed to as well, right?
Or...I've got a better one: how about me and my brother?
Two consenting adults, no one gets hurt. If the queers can do it we should be allowed to as well, right?
Or...I've got a better one: how about me and my brother?
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That's how I think of creation.
When God said that it wasn't good for man to be alone, He didn't mean that all men are to get married.
He meant it wasn't good for there to be only one gender. So He made another that was/is the opposite, so they can "merge" together to form one (I guess this is also why so many people use this scripture whenexplaining their desire for a spouse).
Genisis 2:18
And the LORD God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”
When God said that it wasn't good for man to be alone, He didn't mean that all men are to get married.
He meant it wasn't good for there to be only one gender. So He made another that was/is the opposite, so they can "merge" together to form one (I guess this is also why so many people use this scripture whenexplaining their desire for a spouse).
Genisis 2:18
And the LORD God said, “It is not good that man should be alone; I will make him a helper comparable to him.”
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I gotta admit I do get weirded out by seeing two dudes holding hands but thats probably just cause its so rare you sorta do a double take and say 'wait whaaat'
anyway I don't think it should be up to a vote when it comes to basic human rights like marriage. To deny that right to a person would be to say that they are second class citizens, that they are almost like us humans but not quite.
Incest is against the law for moral and practical reasons, children born of incestuous marriages have a exponentially higher rate of birth defects. This would be a correct use of 'unnatural'
anyway I don't think it should be up to a vote when it comes to basic human rights like marriage. To deny that right to a person would be to say that they are second class citizens, that they are almost like us humans but not quite.
Incest is against the law for moral and practical reasons, children born of incestuous marriages have a exponentially higher rate of birth defects. This would be a correct use of 'unnatural'